Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[JLB777]

No I do not sacrifice animals for our sins because Jesus is our Perfect Sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins in the New Covenant and animals sacrifices ended,

Yes, animal sacrifices ended because the law of Moses ended.

 

[JLB777]

Brother, it is clearly the human laws of the Judaism that achieved this hostilit

The context is clear,


Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. Ephesians 2:11-16

• having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances

The law of commandments was abolished. No mention of Judaism.





JLB

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, animal sacrifices ended because the law of Moses ended.

According to scripture is the laws or ordinances that ended (ceremonial laws). Colossians 2:14 which include animal sacrifices, circumcision etc.

Not all of the law of Moses ended for example, like the greatest commandments- love God with all our heart Deuteronomy 6:4 Love your neighbor Leviticus 19:18

 

[Bob S]

Please provide scripture that tells us it was the Law of Moses that ended at the Cross and not the whole old covenant Law.

 

[Bob S]

Your words not God’s and certainly not scriptural

Since you must be better informed than myself, why not explain where I have erred. What makes you believe my response is not scriptural?

 

[Bob S]

According to scripture is the laws or ordinances that ended (ceremonial laws). Colossians 2:14 which include animal sacrifices, circumcision etc.

Not all of the law of Moses ended for example, like the greatest commandments- love God with all our heart Deuteronomy 6:4 Love your neighbor Leviticus 19:18

Many commands of the old covenant did not end with the coming of the new covenant. Jesus never left any of us lawless like some like to proclaim. Read Jn15:9-14 and 1Jn3:19-24.

 

[guevaraj]

The law of commandments was abolished. No mention of Judaism.

Brother, Judaism treats its own human law as if it came from God, as if they were commandments, when this system of human law did not come from God. That is why they accused Jesus of breaking the law when Jesus did not break any of God's laws. The descriptions mentioned in context do not describe the law of God when it says about this system of law that it is "enmity" and a "wall of separation". Jesus tells us next what fits these two descriptions. The human laws added to Judaism! Humans are "blind" guides to add laws to Judaism, making their converts "into twice the child of hell you yourselves are". God can add to His own laws because He is not a blind guide like humans are. Judaism does not enter the kingdom of heaven, nor will they allow others to enter, do to their own system of law. They do this through their human laws that enslave people instead of freeing them from sin because they are "blind" guides.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[JLB777]

According to scripture is the laws or ordinances that ended (ceremonial laws). Colossians 2:14 which include animal sacrifices, circumcision etc.

Not all of the law of Moses ended for example, like the greatest commandments- love God with all our heart Deuteronomy 6:4 Love your neighbor Leviticus 19:18

Here is another way of looking at this seeming complex arrangement.


The law of Moses was temporary, whereas the law of the Lord is eternal.


The Sabbath has always been the seventh day. What changed when the law of Moses was added, is how the Sabbath was to be observed.

Now that the law of Moses has been taken out of the way, the Sabbath has returned to simply being a day of rest. No longer do we put to death those who pick up sticks to kindle a fire to cook on the Sabbath.

Furthermore, the seventh day of the week points us to the seventh “prophetic” day of the week, which is the final one thousand years from Adam; the thousand years when we reign with Christ on earth after He returns to remove all His enemies. When we live with Him here on earth with our resurrected bodies that contain no sin, and radiate like the sun with His glory.


We are approaching that time since mankind has been here going on 6000 years since Adam.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Brother, Judaism treats its own human law as if it came from God, as if they were commandments, when this system of human law did not come from God. That is why they accused Jesus of breaking the law when Jesus did not break any of God's laws. The descriptions mentioned in context do not describe the law of God when it says about this system of law that it is "enmity" and a "wall of separation". Jesus tells us next what fits these two descriptions. The human laws added to Judaism! Humans are "blind" guides to add laws to Judaism, making their converts "into twice the child of hell you yourselves are". God can add to His own laws because He is not a blind guide like humans are. Judaism does not enter the kingdom of heaven, nor will they allow others to enter, do to their own system of law. They do this through their human laws that enslave people instead of freeing them from sin because they are "blind" guides.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Judaism is not mentioned in this writing of Paul, you have added to the word of God.


Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise,having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. Ephesians 2:11-16

• having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances

The law of commandments was abolished. No mention of Judaism.


The law of Moses was added temporarily to the Covenant, until the Messiah should come.


What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19



Do you sacrifice animals for your sins?




JLB

 

[HIM]

Since you must be better informed than myself, why not explain where I have erred. What makes you believe my response is not scriptural?

No scripture.

 

[guevaraj]

Judaism is not mentioned in this writing of Paul, you have added to the word of God.

Brother, this translation quoted below has done the work for you by qualifying the word law when Paul does not qualify it because it refers to the entire law of Judaism. I see from the following passage that when Paul uses the word law by itself versus when referring to a subset of the law, "the law of God" in the same passage, he is referring to the entire law of Judaism when the word law stands alone, unqualified.

1. "the law", unqualified, means the entire law of Judaism in the following passage, because
   
2. "the law of God", Paul qualifies, as a subset of the entire law of Judaism

Compare Paul's use of the word law in any other translation besides this one and you will learn how Paul uses the word law. Pay attention to when Paul qualifies the word law and when he does not. When Paul does not qualify the word law, he is referring to the entire law of Judaism, because when he speaks later in the same passage of "the law of God", he qualifies that law as a subset of the entire law, all the law of Judaism.

When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. (1 Corinthians 9:21 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Here is another way of looking at this seeming complex arrangement.


The law of Moses was temporary, whereas the law of the Lord is eternal.


The Sabbath has always been the seventh day. What changed when the law of Moses was added, is how the Sabbath was to be observed.

Now that the law of Moses has been taken out of the way, the Sabbath has returned to simply being a day of rest. No longer do we put to death those who pick up sticks to kindle a fire to cook on the Sabbath.

Furthermore, the seventh day of the week points us to the seventh “prophetic” day of the week, which is the final one thousand years from Adam; the thousand years when we reign with Christ on earth after He returns to remove all His enemies. When we live with Him here on earth with our resurrected bodies that contain no sin, and radiate like the sun with His glory.


We are approaching that time since mankind has been here going on 6000 years since Adam.



JLB

Interesting, but no scripture to support this. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandment and the Sabbath is the chosen holy day for God and for mankind Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 31:16 Mark 2:27 which is why the seventh day Sabbath will continue to be the Lords day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23 and not the day that was changed by man. Jesus in His own words told us we should obey the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten over man's traditions Matthew 15:3-9, Mark 7:6-8 and those who keep traditions over the commandments of God worship in vain (not my words). There is no Sunay-keeping commandment of God, but there is for Sabbath keeping written by the finger of God Exodus 31:18, kept in the Most Holy of God's Temple (and in heaven Revelation 11:19) and the day God said to "remember" the day Jesus kept His whole life as our example Luke 4:16. There is no scripture stating the role of the Sabbath changed. For me, I am sticking with the scriptures. God bless

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, love your neighbor as yourself means do not covet as well as the other 6 last commandments of the 10 commandments and more, as you say later.

Correct, you can love more than the 10 commandments, but no less than the ten commandments before Jesus. Following Jesus, you can certainly love more.

God be with you! United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Well, here's how it looks to me:

If you love your neighbor, you won't covet. But the commandment to love your neighbor is not the same as the commandment not to covet. The commandment not to covet is contained within the commandment to love your neighbor, but the two commandments are not the same.

And thank you for your blessing, may the Lord be with you as well!

 

[Bob S]

Jorge, I cannot find anything about love in all of the ten commandments yet the love commandments are the greatest commandments given in all of scripture.

May I also remind you that Paul wrote in 2Cor3:6-11 that the ten commandments were temporary and have been done away. KJV

 

[guevaraj]

Jorge, I cannot find anything about love in all of the ten commandments yet the love commandments are the greatest commandments given in all of scripture.

Brother, the rule is that you cannot use the word you're defining within the definition.

May I also remind you that Paul wrote in 2Cor3:6-11 that the ten commandments were temporary and have been done away. KJV

What was a stand-in for the death of Jesus to forgive sins are the animal sacrifices and not the ten commandments that show our victory over sin. Jesus as our High Priest gives us as many opportunities as we need to grow, in obedience to the commandments. How a child learns to walk by getting up again and again until he doesn't fall down anymore.

He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant (Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple). This is a covenant not of written laws (an earthly temple copy with animal sacrifices), but of the Spirit (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness). The old written covenant (an earthly temple copy with animal sacrifices) ends in death (condemnation); but under the new covenant (Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple), the Spirit gives life (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness). The old way (animal sacrifices), with laws etched in stone (10 commandments), led to death (condemnation), though it began with such glory (righteousness) that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face (fading away). For his face shone with the glory (righteousness) of God, even though the brightness was already fading away (from Moses' face). Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory (righteousness) under the new way (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness), now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? If the old way (animal sacrifices), which brings condemnation, was glorious (10 commandments), how much more glorious (11 commandments) is the new way (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness), which makes us right with God! In fact, that first glory (10 commandments) was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory (11 commandments) of the new way (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness). So if the old way, which has been replaced (animal sacrifices), was glorious (10 commandments), how much more glorious (11 commandments) is the new (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness), which remains forever! (2 Corinthians 3:6-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[JLB777]

Brother, this translation quoted below has done the work for you by qualifying the word law when Paul does not qualify it because it refers to the entire law of Judaism. I see from the following passage that when Paul uses the word law by itself versus when referring to a subset of the law, "the law of God" in the same passage, he is referring to the entire law of Judaism when the word law stands alone, unqualified.

1. "the law", unqualified, means the entire law of Judaism in the following passage, because
   
2. "the law of God", Paul qualifies, as a subset of the entire law of Judaism

Compare Paul's use of the word law in any other translation besides this one and you will learn how Paul uses the word law. Pay attention to when Paul qualifies the word law and when he does not. When Paul does not qualify the word law, he is referring to the entire law of Judaism, because when he speaks later in the same passage of "the law of God", he qualifies that law as a subset of the entire law, all the law of Judaism.

When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. (1 Corinthians 9:21 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Using a perverted translation doesn’t help your cause.


God did not institute Judaism.

Judaism is a man made religion that mixes the word of God from the law of Moses, with the traditions of men. Traditions (teachings of man) from the Talmud and other such writings.

Words of Christ in red —


For Moses said, Honor your father and your mother’; and, He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
Mark 7:10-13


again


For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers. Galatians 1:13-14



The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed, the Messiah should come.


What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:19


The law of Moses is not Judaism.

Judaism is a man made religion, much like Catholicism.





JLB

 

[JLB777]

Interesting, but no scripture to support this. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandment and the Sabbath is the chosen holy day for God and for mankind Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 31:16 Mark 2:27 which is why the seventh day Sabbath will continue to be the Lords day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23 and not the day that was changed by man.

And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27


No mention of the Lord’s day of worship.


The Sabbath was made in the beginning, therefore by context, Jesus is indicating that the Sabbath was made for man to rest.







JLB

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27


No mention of the Lord’s day of worship.


The Sabbath was made in the beginning, therefore by context, Jesus is indicating that the Sabbath was made for man to rest.

Yes, that Sabbath is made for man as you noted by Jesus. Mark 2:27 Man was made on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 before the very first Sabbath in God’s presence. Sin separated us from God, but the Sabbath continues to be God’s holy day and the only holy day God declared in the entire Bible from God’s own mouth! Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13. All other days are working days according to God’s own words. Exodus 20:9. Which is why the Sabbath day will continue to be the Lords chosen day of worship thus saith the Lord for eternity. Isaiah 66:23. God’s will for us in heaven is not different for us on earth which is why the Sabbath is a commandment of God personally written by God’s own finger. I choose to obey His authority and not what was changed by man, that we were warned about in scripture. Daniel 7:25

The Sabbath was made in the beginning, therefore by context, Jesus is indicating that the Sabbath was made for man to rest.

God commanded us to rest from our work and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy. Exodus 20:8-11 We see Jesus as our example and the apostles going to the Temples on the Sabbath day reading the Word of God. Luke 4:16 Acts 18:4, Acts 13:44

We have free will, for me I prefer to follow the scriptures on what they actually say instead of adding my own ideas to them, which can often lead someone away from God’s intent for us. Proverbs 3:5. If the Sabbath day is good enough for God to bless, sanctify, make holy, a day to worship the Lord (Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23, Leviticus 23:3) the day Jesus kept holy His whole life Luke 4:16, John 15:10 do we really want to go against God’s clear Word?

 

[guevaraj]

Using a perverted translation doesn’t help your cause.

Brother, happy Sabbath! I am grateful that this translation returned to the original and translated Hebrews 3 and 4 better than the King James Bible. The King James Bible misidentified Joshua as Jesus before David. You can't even trust the word for word translation of the King James Bible as unbiased. We have not entered God's rest in Hebrews 3 and 4 because the "good news" heard in the desert for 40 years by Joshua is not the gospel of Jesus, as the King James Bible' translators biased their translation of Hebrews 3 and 4. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, defined in Genesis and confirmed below.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother, happy Sabbath! I am grateful that this translation returned to the original and translated Hebrews 3 and 4 better than the King James Bible. The King James Bible misidentified Joshua as Jesus before David. You can't even trust the word for word translation of the King James Bible as unbiased. We have not entered God's rest in Hebrews 3 and 4 because the "good news" heard in the desert for 40 years by Joshua is not the gospel of Jesus, as the King James Bible' translators biased their translation of Hebrews 3 and 4. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, defined in Genesis and confirmed below.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Disclaimer- this is NOT a teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist church but is unique to this poster.

This is what the SDA church teaches which harmonizes with scripture:

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)