The Left is Rallying to Take Your Guns Again

[NxNW]

Mass public shootings rightly terrify us, but they remain statistically very rare. The same is true of firearm deaths related to the use of semi-automatic "assault weapons."

Statistically, abortion is very rare compared to the number of conceptions that happen every year. Yet groups who claim to be pro-life are much more concerned over abortion than gun-related deaths, and not the slightest bit concerned over miscarriages, which dwarf both figures combined.

 

[HARK!]

Again you have cause and effect mistaken. In this case both crime and left-leaning are consequences of a third factor: population density.

Where are you getting this information?

The murder rate in Baltimore is 58.27 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws.
The murder rate in Washington, D.C., is 23.52 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws.
The murder rate in Buffalo is 18.38 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws.
The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws
The murder rate in Oakland is 17.97 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws

LOL! Leave it to CBS. They had to go back a few years to get their number for Dallas, the 9th largest city in the U.S.

In 2019, the murder rate in Dallas was 14.89 per 100,000.

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities

Funny, Houston, Fort Worth, Austin, El Paso, and San Antonio didn't even make the list.

 

[HARK!]

If this was true, you'd think there would be fewer gun-related deaths in the US compared to the rest of the world.

Funny how sometimes our preconceived notions, after listening to propaganda from the Left, don't match the facts. That's why I referenced the NSC as the source for those stats.

Truth seems stranger than the fiction that the Liberal MSM feeds us; if we listen to them for too long.

 

[HARK!]

But I'd advise you all to make some liberal friends.

The vast majority of my dearest friends are flaming Liberals. I can't even begin to explain what a tortured life I've lived; but I keep loving them, despite their shortcomings.

 

[Nithavela]

There is already background checks. You can't buy a gun without one (even at gun shows).

Unless you buy it from a private sellers or unlicensed vendors.

 

[HARK!]

hose statistics are laughable, bogus on their face, and have been ripped apart for years.

If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.

Guns Prevent Thousands of Crimes Every Day, Research Shows | Lawrence W. Reed

 

[HARK!]

Unless you buy it from a private sellers or unlicensed vendors.

Again, that depends on what state you're in; and we see the highest rates of firearms crimes, in the states with the most draconian gun laws.

 

[Nithavela]

Again, that depends on what state you're in; and we see the highest rates of firearms crimes, in the states with the most draconian gun laws.

Correct me if I am wrong, but cant you buy a gun in, say, texas from a private vendor and then drive to chicago with that gun and not break any law and lawfuly own a gun in chicago without a background check that way?

 

[HARK!]

Correct me if I am wrong, but cant you buy a gun in, say, texas from a private vendor and then drive to chicago with that gun and not break any law and lawfuly own a gun in chicago without a background check that way?

Correct me if I'm wrong; but mustn't all interstate sales go through an FFL, with a Form 4473 and a background check?

 

[Nithavela]

Correct me if I'm wrong; but mustn't all interstate sales go through an FFL, with a Form 4473 and a background check?

Thats why I was asking. Thanks for the information.

That seems like a reasonable precaution, at least as far as US gun laws look reasonable to me as a german.

 

[HARK!]

Tell us more about this.

Information on this subject is rather scarce now. I was following this subject in my journals, very closely, as it unfolded.

California sought to impose registration of "assault weapons." They met resistance from gun owners; as they felt that registration would lead to confiscation. Gun owners were assured that wouldn't happen. Registration prevailed. Confiscation ensued. Gun owners were sent letters that basically said, "We know who you are. We know where you live, We know what you have. Turn it in; or we're coming for you." The really crazy part, is that criminals who were barred from owning firearms, were not required to register their illegal firearms; as that would violate their 5th amendment rights! Liberal logic. In the end California backed off on their confiscations; because gun owners were suing the state for the value of their lost property,

Like I said, this is old news; so there aren't many references left. Here is one:

In the 1990s, the state used registration lists to demand that many law-abiding assault-weapons owners relinquish their guns. "Registration has led to confiscation in California," Michel said.

California Gun Law Paves the Way for Confiscation

 

[HARK!]

Thats why I was asking. Thanks for the information.

That seems like a reasonable precaution, at least as far as US gun laws look reasonable to me as a german.

The Left wouldn't need anymore gun laws to suit their fancy; if they would enforce the existing laws.

It seems that Liberal states tend to be more lawless. They create plenty of laws, that they can't seem to enforce. What we end up with is selective enforcement, and law abiding residents, victimized, and living in fear, which is unjust.

 

[Nithavela]

The Left wouldn't need anymore gun laws to suit their fancy; if they would enforce the existing laws.

It seems that Liberal states tend to be more lawless. They create plenty of laws, that they can't seem to enforce. What we end up with is selective enforcement, and law abiding residents, victimized, and living in fear, which is unjust.

I have to admit that watching videos of black folks going in stores and just grabbing an armful of clothes or other items and carrying them out, apparently without any fear of repercussions, is not a good look.

 

[muichimotsu]

This is the hideous future liberals want.

How dare they let pegasi join the armed forces! Just not natural!

 

[disciple Clint]

How many tyrants have gun owners in the US overthrown? And while we have been ready to overthrow a tyrant with handguns, how many innocent Americans have been killed by guns? I suppose having more than one mass shooting per day is just the price we need to pay to maintain that readiness to overthrow a tyrant.


This shows what false conclusions one can reach by interchanging cause and effect. It is not liberal draconian gun laws that cause high murder rates. It is high murder rates that cause draconian gun laws.

As for "subverting the Constitution", the 2nd amendment is not serving the common good. It would be a blessing to repeal it. When you subvert something that is evil, you do good.

As for "subverting the Constitution", the 2nd amendment is not serving the common good. It would be a blessing to repeal it. When you subvert something that is evil, you do good.

And you think it would stop there??? What you have said is exactly why many of us will protect every right we have because there are those who see our rights as an inconvenience to their accomplishing their progressive agendas which they believe is for the best for all and anyone who does not agree with them is not worth listening to and should be cancelled.

 

[muichimotsu]

I have to admit that watching videos of black folks going in stores and just grabbing an armful of clothes or other items and carrying them out, apparently without any fear of repercussions, is not a good look.

Except that's a symptom of a bigger problem and it's not gun based, it's resource based

 

[muichimotsu]

Statistically, abortion is very rare compared to the number of conceptions that happen every year. Yet groups who claim to be pro-life are much more concerned over abortion than gun-related deaths, and not the slightest bit concerned over miscarriages, which dwarf both figures combined.

And how much you want to bet they don't realize miscarriages are also technically called spontaneous abortions in medical terms?

 

[Nithavela]

Except that's a symptom of a bigger problem and it's not gun based, it's resource based

I dont think its a problem of resources, its a problem of resource management. The usa has a high enough police budget, it just isnt spent well.

 

[muichimotsu]

The Left wouldn't need anymore gun laws to suit their fancy; if they would enforce the existing laws.

It seems that Liberal states tend to be more lawless. They create plenty of laws, that they can't seem to enforce. What we end up with is selective enforcement, and law abiding residents, victimized, and living in fear, which is unjust.

The problem is not the laws so much as the culture where guns are fetishized to the detriment of any consideration of safety or prudence. Just owning a gun gives someone an undue sense of power because we idealize the Revolutionary War when they had single shot rifle at best.

We are not in the same situation, we continue to grasp for a sense that we are like the founding fathers and then keep digging a deeper hole of self destruction because of these delusions of grandeur or persecution.

When we have as many guns as people, if not slightly more depending on statistics, we don't have a problem of gun control as much as a gun culture problem

 

[HARK!]

I have to admit that watching videos of black folks going in stores and just grabbing an armful of clothes or other items and carrying them out, apparently without any fear of repercussions, is not a good look.

I lived in a big Liberal city, where I was a coordinator of a neighborhood watch. We worked very closely with the police. I would report to, and receive training from the police; and I would act as a liaison to share information between members of the watch team, and the police. The gang members knew me well. One night a gang from another community came to get them. Some of them came frantically knocking at my door, begging me to help them; as screaming a shots echoed through the neighborhood. I told them to crouch down in my bushes; and that they would be safe here. I called 911, and told them who I was, and what was happening. Time elapsed, and no action. I called again. They said that help was on the way. More time elapsed. No action. I got on the phone with fellow members of the watch team; and told them to express the urgency of the situation. I didn't want to be distracted from watching over the guys in my bushes.They made numerous calls. Over an hour later, the screaming and shooting had stopped; then the police showed up.

I talked to two co-workers about this the next day. Both of them has parents who were LEOs. They both told me not to expect the police to go rushing into a gun fight. That they want to go home after their shifts; that they'll wait until the shooting is over, and clean up the mess.

Through the President of the Community association, I called a public meeting with the police, to discuss crime and response time.

During the meeting, the commander asked me to step outside with him. I did. He read me the riot act about embarrassing him in public. I respectfully explained to him that I put myself in danger, that I had become a target for gang members, by doing what I do; and that when I make a call, I expect a response; and that waiting over an hour is unacceptable. I mentioned that the guys in my bushes finally panicked and ran off. I told him that I would have taken them into my home for protection; but I knew who they were. He said, "No! don't take them into your home." I said that I would have brought my shotgun out on the lawn to protect them; but with shots being fired, and 911 called; I didn't want to be mistaken for the bad guy, and shot by police. He said that he didn't know whether or not I would have been shot; but I would have definitely gone to jail. I asked, "are you telling me that I can't defend innocent life on my own property?" He said that I couldn't have a loaded gun outside of my house, on my property, in that city, for any reason.

I finished my term of office, and and soon thereafter I moved out of the city. Later, I decided that it was better just to leave the state, and the backwards thinking that went along with it, behind me.