The Left is Rallying to Take Your Guns Again

[FireDragon76]

Mass public shootings rightly terrify us, but they remain statistically very rare. The same is true of firearm deaths related to the use of semi-automatic "assault weapons." You are, in fact, three times more likely to be beaten to death with hands and feet than you are to be shot to death with a rifle of any kind.

Broad Gun-Control Restrictions Are Not the Answer

The Heritage Foundation is a hate group made of hard right ideologues... you shouldn't be quoting them as a source if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[iluvatar5150]

If you doubt the objectivity of the site above

I do doubt its objectivity, but that's not what I said. What I said was that Kleck's numbers have been critiqued for years. If my problem was with the site, I would've said that they inaccurately reported Kleck's research. AFAIK, they reported it accurately. The problem is with the research itself.

, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.

Guns Prevent Thousands of Crimes Every Day, Research Shows | Lawrence W. Reed

That report made no such claim - it didn't even come close to making that claim. Did you read the report? I did.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

And you think it would stop there???

"Slippery Slope Fallacy". Not every slope is slippery. Some slopes have well-maintained stairways with landings and handrails. It is quite easy to stop at a landing and take photos.

 

[Nithavela]

Anyone got statistics on how much proftis jump for gun manufacturers and vendors after shootings?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Where are you getting this information?

The murder rate in Baltimore is 58.27 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws.
The murder rate in Washington, D.C., is 23.52 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws.
The murder rate in Buffalo is 18.38 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws.
The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws
The murder rate in Oakland is 17.97 per 100,000. Draconian gun laws

LOL! Leave it to CBS. They had to go back a few years to get their number for Dallas, the 9th largest city in the U.S.

In 2019, the murder rate in Dallas was 14.89 per 100,000.

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities

Funny, Houston, Fort Worth, Austin, El Paso, and San Antonio didn't even make the list.

I said "population density". Not total population. Dallas does not have anywhere near the population density of any of those other cities with "draconian gun laws".

 

[cow451]

Again, that depends on what state you're in; and we see the highest rates of firearms crimes, in the states with the most draconian gun laws.

It’s easy for criminal elements to import weapons from Texas and other easy access states. That’s where state’s rights hampers public safety efforts.

 

[cow451]

They have the same problem in England with knives. It seems that the English prefer to murder with knives. You have to show ID to buy a pizza cutter. Is that a result of a pizza cutter culture problem?

It takes longer and a lot more work to murder 21 people with a pizza cutter than an AR 15. The English are just slow to adapt to superior tactics and weaponry of American criminals.

 

[rturner76]

I get it. Some think that only the police and politicians are the only ones honorable enough to have the power to defend themselves. I have a higher opinion of myself than that.

The murder rates are highest where the politicians have convinced the people that they should give up their rights to defend themselves. As the murder rates climb; the politicians tax the people further into poverty, to expand the police force; and the people cry out for it. Somehow adding more low paid police never seems to solve the problem; but there does seem to be a correlation to more police brutality.

However, I don't want to diminish the value of police. When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. They'll be there lickity split to open up an investigation.

I think you can defend yourself with a .357 or a shotgun. There is no need for 30 round magazines in an assault rifle IMO.

 

[expos4ever]

It makes one wonder why some on the Left, who ignore that Bill of Rights, are so determined to take away the law abiding American's defense against those who are armed, and disregard the law.

I wonder what the data have to say about the number of Americans who have successfully used a gun to defend themselves vs the number of innocent people who have been killed by guns.

 

[cow451]

I think you can defend yourself with a .357 or a shotgun. There is no need for 30 round magazines in an assault rifle IMO.

Heretic.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I wonder what the data have to say about the number of Americans who have successfully used a gun to defend themselves vs the number of innocent people who have been killed by guns.

Good data about defensive gun uses doesn't exist.

 

[Gene2memE]

How many have we needed to overthrow?

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century: 56 million.

Gun Control History

That website is so full of ridiculous falsehoods it's hard to know where to start. If it were Pinocchio, the tip of its nose would have grown so much it could circle the equator:

The Ottoman Empire had gun control before 1911. It had gun controls in place for literally hundreds of years before the Armenian genocide. Turkey wasn't a thing until 1923 anyway.

Germany had gun control well before the Nazi's came to power. The Nazis widened access to firearms for some, and narrowed it for others.

China had gun control in the late 1800s, but firearm ownership was widespread (in the order of 10s of millions of small arms) until the mid 1950s. The warlord period saw literally thousands of small arms workshops set up in China. In 1939, the Japanese estimated there were 14 million "armed bandits" in Northern China alone - in reality it was probably more like 1.2 to 1.4 million.

Uganda had gun control before 1970s (existing British laws), and the reason all those Christians died (along with disproportionately high numbers of Muslims and ethnic groups) was because Idi Amin was a murderous dictator backed by an army.

Cambodia had gun control before 1956. As a French territory until 1953, it was under French law (including gun control).


I say this as a gun owner and gun user - American gun culture is out of control. It's too late for change though. If the last 20 years have shown nothing else, as a society the US has decided that it is more acceptable to sacrifice real children to safeguard against the threat of hypothetical tyranny.

 

[Larniavc]

“We must abolish the filibuster and pass gun-safety legislation now,” said Sen. Bernard Sanders, an independent and self-described socialist from Vermont. “No one in America needs an AR-15. How many more children, mothers and fathers need to be murdered in cold blood before the Senate has the guts to ban assault weapons and take on the NRA?”

Schumer admits gun-control push will fail, hopes for bipartisan compromise

“I’m sick and tired of it,” Mr. Biden said. “We have to act. And don’t tell me we can’t have an impact on this carnage. I spent my career as a senator and vice president working to pass common-sense gun laws."

Biden demands lawmakers ‘stand up to the gun lobby’ after Texas school shooting

Then there is this riotous stunt:

It was difficult to understand Mr. O’Rourke, who was not wearing a microphone, but his comments included: “This is totally predictable” and “You are doing nothing.”

Those on stage pushed back, telling him to sit down and accusing him of pulling a political stunt.

“You are out of line and an embarrassment,” said Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick.

Beto O’Rourke crashes governor’s press conference on Texas school shooting

Is the right not against kids being shot to death in schools? Why is owning a gun more important than child gun deaths? Please explain.

 

[Gene2memE]

They have the same problem in England with knives. It seems that the English prefer to murder with knives.

England and Wales see between 195 and 285 murders with a knife per year - averaging 211 per year over the last decade. With a population of 68-ish million, that's an average rate of 0.29 knife homicides per 100,000 people (0.31 in 2020).

The US saw 19,483 gun homicides in 2020. That's a rate of 6.1 gun homicides per 100,000 people. Or about 20 times the knife homicide rate in the UK.

I'm not a US citizen, but if the US could get its gun murder rate down to the UK's knife murder rate, that would be outstanding

EDIT; And before anyone says "oh they'll just switch to knives", I don't think so. FBI crime data shows knife murders declining over the last decade, while firearm murders are up dramatically.

 

[NxNW]

Funny how sometimes our preconceived notions, after listening to propaganda from the Left, don't match the facts.

The fact is that the US has more gun-related deaths than any developed country. Therefore all these guns are not reducing the number of deaths.

 

[NxNW]

I have to admit that watching videos of black folks going in stores and just grabbing an armful of clothes or other items and carrying them out, apparently without any fear of repercussions, is not a good look.

You don't like the way black folks look?

 

[HARK!]

I'm a bit surprised.. nobody caught what I said about Body Armor being the particular thing that made the last 2 shootings so deadly?
I guess it doesn't fit the narrative?

Because dressing sharp will knock them dead before bullets will?

Ramos was wearing a tactical vest, but it had no hardened body-armor plates inside,

Who is Salvador Ramos? What we know about Texas elementary school shooting suspect

Remember, guns don't kill people, bullets do; and tactical vests wont protect you from bullets, hardened body-armor plates will.

 

[JustOneWay]

No guns have been taken forever. This thread is fear mongering.

 

[HARK!]

It is ironic. It reads like a campaign slogan from Ted Cruz

Thank you. You're too kind. I do think that post #197 would make a nice slogan; but it pales in comparison to what Cruz could come up with.

 

[NxNW]

They have the same problem in England with knives. It seems that the English prefer to murder with knives. You have to show ID to buy a pizza cutter. Is that a result of a pizza cutter culture problem?

We own four pizza cutters, and only one is big enough to cut through the puffy crust if I get it right. At the very least some mandatory education and training would have been helpful.