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Again, I truly believe that the one true church has no denomination. It's the many membered body of true Christians that go by the Word of God and put Christ first period. They don't put an organization or reverance anyone else but the
Father/Christ/Holy Spirit and everyone else is on equal footing. That's what's biblical. The foundation comes from the disciples/apostles and the prophets with Christ being the head. To build more and more doctrine upon the foundation that we have already received from the word is not biblical.
I believe there are going to be many churches that Christ won't be happy with in the end.
I left my baptist/protestant church years ago because of many false doctrines that were not biblical.
Pretrib rapture,
Paul is a second witness to Christ's teachings that he returns after the tribulation and even had to write a second letter to clear up the confusion and he nails down the timing.
II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"
That's the discussion, his second coming which is when our gathering back to him occurs,
II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
Paul states don't even be confused by his first letter (1st Thes)
II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
Paul can't make it anymore clear than that.
Eternal hell is another doctrine although I realize many people in all churches hold to this belief. I believe the 2nd death is the death of the soul as Christ talks about in Matthew 10:28,
Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Destroy in the Greek means to destroy "fully".
Christ talks about this in Revelation as well,
Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
I also don't believe in OSAO. We learn that people do apostasize (depart from the truth)
My favorite thing to say about many churches is that one can spend a lifetime sitting on a pew and come away not knowing the word of God. You get a few verses, many times taken out of context surrounded by a sermon that has nothing to do with God's word.
And no offense to catholics, I don't believe their beliefs are biblical as well. I just don't see them. I really didn't want to get go down that road on this thread but since this topic has been opened up and on a thread titled unbiblical doctrines I'll venture on,
We don't need priests because the veil was specifically rent from top to bottom. Anyone can go right in. Sure it's good to confess before men certain sins, etc but only our Father can forgive sin through Christ, he is the only intercession we need. Praying to Mary is another one and so on. There's just too many traditions that make void the true word of God.
The papacy and claiming that Peter was the first pope is certainly not biblical. Nowhere in the bible does it state that the keys to heaven were to be passed down to certain popes who can then make up their own doctrine and so on. That's traditions of men, not God. Peter was the first one to actually acknowledge that Christ was the son of the Living God and that's the foundation with Christ being that rock that it's built upon.
I believe that's just a belief that Peter was the first pope (not biblical) that got handed down so the catholics can claim they are the one true Church. And if they're going by Peter as the first pope, why are the popes forbidden to marry? Paul himself states if one can handle it they shouldn't marry (that goes for anyone) but if not than yes, they can. Peter himself was married. So that's just one example of how the church has added something. Peter also did not want to be bowed to or revered and yet the Popes are. They are called Holy Father, bowed to, etc. Peter had humility and was humble. The exact opposite of what the Pope stands for today. Sadly he is so far removed from God's word and is heavily immersed in tradition.
Acts 10:25 "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him."
Acts 10:26 "And as he talked with him, "Stand up; I myself also am a man."
We are not to call anyone father, especially Holy Father, Christ's words,
Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
We can assume he is talking about as in reverancing someone.
The disciples themselves argued who was the greatest and Christ didn't say Peter was.
Luke 22:24 "And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest."
Luke 22:25 "And He said unto them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26 "But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve."
Luke 22:27 "For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth."
Luke 22:28 "Ye are they which have continued with Me in My temptations."
Mary being a perpetual virgin and sinless is also not biblical. She had other children and also needed a savior and the bible states "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" She was to be called blessed because she was gave birth to our Lord and Savior. That is it. She like us needs a savior. She was favored and blessed for this position "among" women. But she is not to be put on a pedestal and she is not even found in the later books of the bible.
I don't begin to know the complete sacrements and so on but those are enough for me to know to stay away. No offense but I put the God's word over everything. We are told to do this and we are told to study (rightly dividing) to show ourselves approved. We don't need a church to approve us, God does that.
Again the veil was rent from top to bottom symbolizing that we can go right in. Before that, there was the holy of holies and only the Levitical High Priest could to back and atone for the sins. With Christ death and resurrection and the symbolizing of the veil torn from top to bottom means Christ is it, he's our intercessor. We need no one else. It's hard for me as a Christian to see someone being so reverenced in such a manner other than our heavenly Father/Christ. And when anyone even mentiones the catholic church, the pope and Mary comes up just as much as Christ.
Again, the foundation of the church comes from the apostles and prophets with Christ being the chief cornerstone.
Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" No one is to be reverenced over another person.
Ephesians 2:20 "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;"
Christ is the rock that the church is built upon -petra. And that's the church that will always prevail. Not man's church.
Ephesians 2:21 "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy Temple in the Lord:"
Ephesians 2:22 "In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
It's not some building or organization.
Christ states that if there are even 2 or 3 gathered in his name, he is there.
Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
Does this mean I think there are no good churches out there? No, but you would be hard pressed to find one that only teaches the word of God, chapter by chapter and verse by verse without all the traditions, etc being added to it.
Father/Christ/Holy Spirit and everyone else is on equal footing. That's what's biblical. The foundation comes from the disciples/apostles and the prophets with Christ being the head. To build more and more doctrine upon the foundation that we have already received from the word is not biblical.
I believe there are going to be many churches that Christ won't be happy with in the end.
I left my baptist/protestant church years ago because of many false doctrines that were not biblical.
Pretrib rapture,
Paul is a second witness to Christ's teachings that he returns after the tribulation and even had to write a second letter to clear up the confusion and he nails down the timing.
II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"
That's the discussion, his second coming which is when our gathering back to him occurs,
II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
Paul states don't even be confused by his first letter (1st Thes)
II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
Paul can't make it anymore clear than that.
Eternal hell is another doctrine although I realize many people in all churches hold to this belief. I believe the 2nd death is the death of the soul as Christ talks about in Matthew 10:28,
Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Destroy in the Greek means to destroy "fully".
Christ talks about this in Revelation as well,
Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
I also don't believe in OSAO. We learn that people do apostasize (depart from the truth)
My favorite thing to say about many churches is that one can spend a lifetime sitting on a pew and come away not knowing the word of God. You get a few verses, many times taken out of context surrounded by a sermon that has nothing to do with God's word.
And no offense to catholics, I don't believe their beliefs are biblical as well. I just don't see them. I really didn't want to get go down that road on this thread but since this topic has been opened up and on a thread titled unbiblical doctrines I'll venture on,
We don't need priests because the veil was specifically rent from top to bottom. Anyone can go right in. Sure it's good to confess before men certain sins, etc but only our Father can forgive sin through Christ, he is the only intercession we need. Praying to Mary is another one and so on. There's just too many traditions that make void the true word of God.
The papacy and claiming that Peter was the first pope is certainly not biblical. Nowhere in the bible does it state that the keys to heaven were to be passed down to certain popes who can then make up their own doctrine and so on. That's traditions of men, not God. Peter was the first one to actually acknowledge that Christ was the son of the Living God and that's the foundation with Christ being that rock that it's built upon.
I believe that's just a belief that Peter was the first pope (not biblical) that got handed down so the catholics can claim they are the one true Church. And if they're going by Peter as the first pope, why are the popes forbidden to marry? Paul himself states if one can handle it they shouldn't marry (that goes for anyone) but if not than yes, they can. Peter himself was married. So that's just one example of how the church has added something. Peter also did not want to be bowed to or revered and yet the Popes are. They are called Holy Father, bowed to, etc. Peter had humility and was humble. The exact opposite of what the Pope stands for today. Sadly he is so far removed from God's word and is heavily immersed in tradition.
Acts 10:25 "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him."
Acts 10:26 "And as he talked with him, "Stand up; I myself also am a man."
We are not to call anyone father, especially Holy Father, Christ's words,
Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
We can assume he is talking about as in reverancing someone.
The disciples themselves argued who was the greatest and Christ didn't say Peter was.
Luke 22:24 "And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest."
Luke 22:25 "And He said unto them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26 "But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve."
Luke 22:27 "For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth."
Luke 22:28 "Ye are they which have continued with Me in My temptations."
Mary being a perpetual virgin and sinless is also not biblical. She had other children and also needed a savior and the bible states "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" She was to be called blessed because she was gave birth to our Lord and Savior. That is it. She like us needs a savior. She was favored and blessed for this position "among" women. But she is not to be put on a pedestal and she is not even found in the later books of the bible.
I don't begin to know the complete sacrements and so on but those are enough for me to know to stay away. No offense but I put the God's word over everything. We are told to do this and we are told to study (rightly dividing) to show ourselves approved. We don't need a church to approve us, God does that.
Again the veil was rent from top to bottom symbolizing that we can go right in. Before that, there was the holy of holies and only the Levitical High Priest could to back and atone for the sins. With Christ death and resurrection and the symbolizing of the veil torn from top to bottom means Christ is it, he's our intercessor. We need no one else. It's hard for me as a Christian to see someone being so reverenced in such a manner other than our heavenly Father/Christ. And when anyone even mentiones the catholic church, the pope and Mary comes up just as much as Christ.
Again, the foundation of the church comes from the apostles and prophets with Christ being the chief cornerstone.
Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" No one is to be reverenced over another person.
Ephesians 2:20 "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;"
Christ is the rock that the church is built upon -petra. And that's the church that will always prevail. Not man's church.
Ephesians 2:21 "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy Temple in the Lord:"
Ephesians 2:22 "In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
It's not some building or organization.
Christ states that if there are even 2 or 3 gathered in his name, he is there.
Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
Does this mean I think there are no good churches out there? No, but you would be hard pressed to find one that only teaches the word of God, chapter by chapter and verse by verse without all the traditions, etc being added to it.
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I never understood it when people claim that Christianity is not a religion because it absolutely is. Perhaps your not familiar with the definition of the word.
Religion-
- the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods: "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
- ▪a particular system of faith and worship: "the world's great religions"
- ▪a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance:"consumerism is the new religion"
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You can’t learn anything without coming to conclusions. If you read something and you came to no conclusions then you didn’t retain anything from it.
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Why does that matter?
You won't find the word "Computer" in Scripture either; but you're using one.
If you refuse to accept anything unless the exact words are found in Scripture, you're going to have a very limited faith.
In fact, as Scripture was written in Hebrew and Greek, why are you even writing this thread?
Is that phrase in Scripture?
Should we take any notice of it?
Why don't you write a more positive thread and tell us the only phrases that people should use because they are in Scripture?
Original Greek only, please.
Can you re-write your thread using Scripture, and Scripture alone?
If not, it is only your personal opinion or belief, which doesn't mean anything to us.
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What you just stated here, whether you realize it or not, is called a doctrine.
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When a person believes the Bible that means they came to the conclusion that it is true.
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Do you believe in the Trinity? That’s a doctrine. Do you believe Christ sacrificed Himself to pay for people’s sins? That’s a doctrine. Do you believe Christ rose from the dead? That’s a doctrine. You believe more doctrines than your aware of.
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All three that I mentioned are the gospel. There are no “add ons”.
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Everyone, including you bases, their conclusions on their opinion of what is being said. That’s called interpretation. We all do it.
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I'm not sure what you're asking. There are various religious orders, some are in fellowship with Rome, but all are "Catholic", even the Orthodox. We don't have denominations. That's a Protestant confusion.
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Look, Heaven isn't going to be a bunch of people on clouds strumming harps. Nor will it be a giant Hillsong Concern singing about Jesus being a boyfriend. Nor will it be a banjo banging Southern sing-in. Heaven is composed of a divine liturgy as outlined in revelation with incense, candle sticks, Gloria, the intercessory prayers of Saints and Angels, etc.
Christ died to establish an actual Ecclesia. That is a called out body formed with the purpose to govern.
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No, they are not denominations. lol
Protestants have FORTY THOUSAND denominations, each claiming superiority over the others. Even non-denominational churches are a denomination of independent bodies who are not accountable to anyone.
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Any Catholic body who doesn't recognize the Pope is schismatic and isn't technically... "Catholic". All "Catholic" means is... "Universal", or, "all encompassing and embracing". By rejecting the Pope, they cease to be universal, and therefore are not Catholic.
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Christ died so that humans may be reconciled to God and have peace with God, Romans 5:1.
All who are, who believe, have eternal life and receive God's Spirit are his children, John 1:12, Romans 8:16, John 3:36. It is God's children who belong to God and who are called out from the world, John 15:19, Romans 12:2, 1 John 2:15.
All believers are called out, therefore all believers are church - Ecclesia.
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