What about Hebrews 6: 4-6 ?

[1an]

You posted a lot of verses that have nothing to do with a fallen away believer losing their Eternal Life.

Not one of the verses you posted mention anything about a fallen away believer losing their Eternal Life.

Repent and pray that your eyes will be opened.
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[d taylor]

Repent and pray that your eyes will be opened.
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Repent from what and open my eyes to what a incorrect understanding of scripture.

Do you or do you not, believe the Messiah when He states.
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

[1an]

Repent from what and open my eyes to what a incorrect understanding of scripture.

Do you or do you not, believe the Messiah when He states.
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

All true. So are the scriptures that warn of straying from the narrow path.
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[d taylor]

All true. So are the scriptures that warn of straying from the narrow path.
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But the scriptures are warning the believer to not stray for discipleship reasons, not for losing ones Eternal Life.

The dying a believer may experience if they come afoul of their life as a believer. Is a losing of ones physical life (ananias and sapphira or saul,etc..) on earth or falling into even more grievous sin than they may have experienced before they were a believer.

 

[1an]

But the scriptures are warning the believer to not stray for discipleship reasons, not for losing ones Eternal Life.

The dying a believer may experience if they come afoul of their life as a believer. Is a losing of ones physical life (ananias and sapphira or saul,etc..) on earth or falling into even more grievous sin than they may have experienced before they were a believer.

You need to study ALL scripture.

I have been reading your signature and need to ask if you believe in a flat earth?

If so, do you know the Bible speaks of the circle of the earth? Also we read the words "as far as the east is from the west," and did you not know that planets orbit the stars?
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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Metanoia (repentance. utterly denying oneself) and rebirth, metamorphosis (transformation) is the one-time transaction carried forth from the cross into becoming the sanctified, bound to the sanctifier in covenant.

Flesh and water was what Nicodemus saw, Jesus corrected with water and spirit. The common denominator in the discussion between them is water, what is added is spirit, what is taken away is flesh.

Transfiguration is of the mind Romans 12:2, where continued change is observed in human thinking changing to that of Christ. The dynamis (power) has been set in motion. The procedure going forward is …. stop when conscience informs …. pick up where the mind derailed … then … you …. follow Him.

Transformations of cells and butterflies are of nature. What Jesus is calling for is not. It’s not because of belonging to a mind-set, a transformation of the physiological, mental and emotional world.

That takes effort to move forward. Not born-again physically, but mentally moving into a good human being. Every pre-supposed illusion one has of oneselves above or below another must be forfeited, a riches denied. External observations take a backseat because the forerunner is spirit. Deductions of God are not derived from the outer evidence of the senses, they are spiritually discerned.

 

[d taylor]

You need to study ALL scripture.

I have been reading your signature and need to ask if you believe in a flat earth?

If so, do you know the Bible speaks of the circle of the earth? Also we read the words "as far as the east is from the west," and did you not know that planets orbit the stars?
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Do you understand the word earth (erets) in The Bible means land/ground and not a water covered sphere with scattered areas of land around it.

 

[Swan7]

One cannot have both belief and unbelief. Either there is belief in Jesus Christ or there is none. Christ said we cannot have both.

 

[Strong in Him]

The writer consistently gives the same message. Anyway it doesn't matter who put pen to paper,

But you said, "it was Paul who told us to persevere, and Paul who gave us that awful warning in Hebrews 6", post #32 - and now you are saying it doesn't matter who wrote it.
It kinds of negates your earlier post.

 

[Strong in Him]

You are ignoring our responsibility. Jesus will never leave us or forsake us, but woe betide those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit by denying Jesus, those three are One God. Deny one and you deny all.
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Blaspheming the Spirit and denying Jesus are 2 different things.
Blaspheming the Spirit, the unpardonable sin, is crediting Satan with something that is from the Holy Spirit - like when Jesus drove out demons and the Jews said that he did that by the power of Beelzebub.
Denying Jesus is what Peter did. He even called down curses upon himself as he did so - yet he was still forgiven.

 

[Der Alte]

Do you understand the word earth (erets) in The Bible means land/ground and not a water covered sphere with scattered areas of land around it.

That is not entirely correct. The first occurrence of eretz in the Bible Gen 1;1 it refers to the entire world.

Genesis 1:1-2
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.​

 

[1an]

But you said, "it was Paul who told us to persevere, and Paul who gave us that awful warning in Hebrews 6", post #32 - and now you are saying it doesn't matter who wrote it.
It kinds of negates your earlier post.

Whoever put pen to paper did so under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is the Word of God, and was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Those who corrupt the Word of God, let the cults beware, are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

 

[1an]

Blaspheming the Spirit and denying Jesus are 2 different things.
Blaspheming the Spirit, the unpardonable sin, is crediting Satan with something that is from the Holy Spirit - like when Jesus drove out demons and the Jews said that he did that by the power of Beelzebub.
Denying Jesus is what Peter did. He even called down curses upon himself as he did so - yet he was still forgiven.

God is One. Father Son and Holy Spirit are One God. To deny Jesus is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit in Jesus. I wish all those who deny Jesus knew they were committing the unpardonable sin.

 

[Strong in Him]

God is One. Father Son and Holy Spirit are One God. To deny Jesus is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit in Jesus. I wish all those who deny Jesus knew they were committing the unpardonable sin.

Mark 3:29-30 tells us what the unpardonable sin is.
Matthew 12:31-32 tells us that those who speak against Jesus will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Spirit will not Yes, there is One God - but the Son and the Spirit are not the same.

Peter denied Jesus and he did not commit the unpardonable sin - because Jesus pardoned him.

 

[1an]

Mark 3:29-30 tells us what the unpardonable sin is.
Matthew 12:31-32 tells us that those who speak against Jesus will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Spirit will not Yes, there is One God - but the Son and the Spirit are not the same.

Peter denied Jesus and he did not commit the unpardonable sin - because Jesus pardoned him.

In the scripture you quote, Jesus was casting out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit, but the scribes accused Jesus of using demonic power. To say the Holy Spirit is of the devil is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. As Jesus was born of the Spirit, I personally wouldn't dare say anything against him, He is after all God with us. Personally, I have nothing other than a deep love for Jesus and would never dare say anything against my Saviour who suffered for my sake, and everyone else. But let people do as they like, and good luck to them when they knowingly and deliberately deny “The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isa 9:6-7 KJV. Jesus will probably say, “I never knew you depart from me” and you know what their end will be. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One God. To deny one is to deny God.

Peter's circumstances were different, neither was it his belief. Be very careful about using Peter as an example for others to follow.

 

[Strong in Him]

In the scripture you quote, Jesus was casting out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit, but the scribes accused Jesus of using demonic power. To say the Holy Spirit is of the devil is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

I know.

As Jesus was born of the Spirit, I personally wouldn't dare say anything against him, He is after all God with us.

Neither, I'm sure, would most Christians.
But that wasn't my point. Jesus said in Matthew 12 that whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes the Spirit, won't.
If they had been the same, Jesus would have said, "anyone who speaks against me IS blaspheming the Spirit - and cannot be forgiven. But he didn't".

Peter's circumstances were different, and neither was it his belief.

No, not really.
Peter had followed Jesus for 3 years. He had seen miracles, he had been sent out to drive out demons, he had seen the transfiguration and at least 2 people raised from the dead, he had walked on water. He had received a special revelation that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
Jesus said that Peter was going to deny him. Peter said, "not me; even if I die, I won't deny you". Yet when he was asked, 3 times, "surely you were with Jesus?", he denied it, 3 x with curses.

It doesn't matter if it was his belief.
You said that whoever denies Jesus blasphemes the Spirit and cannot be forgiven- Peter denied Jesus, and was forgiven.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

prodigal son in comparison to “ meaninglessness” … using the logic of senses, wastes itself on useless speculations which are without meaning for it, because it is incapable of understanding a higher logic and a new world, utterly different from this dark world of sense and temporal logic into which it passes and in which it becomes lost.

 

[Guojing]

The writer consistently gives the same message. Anyway it doesn't matter who put pen to paper, it is the Word of God given by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Deny it, and all other scriptures at your eternal peril. That goes for everyone.
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It matters who the audience it was written to.

Do you take instructions from the book of Malachi or Leviticus for example?

 

[1an]

I know.



Neither, I'm sure, would most Christians.
But that wasn't my point. Jesus said in Matthew 12 that whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes the Spirit, won't.
If they had been the same, Jesus would have said, "anyone who speaks against me IS blaspheming the Spirit - and cannot be forgiven. But he didn't".



No, not really.
Peter had followed Jesus for 3 years. He had seen miracles, he had been sent out to drive out demons, he had seen the transfiguration and at least 2 people raised from the dead, he had walked on water. He had received a special revelation that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
Jesus said that Peter was going to deny him. Peter said, "not me; even if I die, I won't deny you". Yet when he was asked, 3 times, "surely you were with Jesus?", he denied it, 3 x with curses.

It doesn't matter if it was his belief.
You said that whoever denies Jesus blasphemes the Spirit and cannot be forgiven- Peter denied Jesus, and was forgiven.

I don't think you know who Jesus was from the foundation of the earth. So do you think you can deny the creator and get away with it?
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[1an]

It matters who the audience it was written to.

Do you take instructions from the book of Malachi or Leviticus for example?

It was the Scribes and Pharisees who plotted against Jesus that penned the Mosaic Laws. They worshipped Baals. Being a New Testament Christian, I distinguish between the two covenants. Jesus gave us the reason in John 8:44. Now I understand where you are coming from. We live in a new dispensation. Jesus said no man can serve two masters, you either serve one or the other. I am a Jesus man, someone who follows Christ. I am not a follower of Moses, but I love the Psalms and the Prophets. What about you. Thank you in anticipation of your response.
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