Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[Hans Blaster]

With density and buoyancy, in a vacuum, because there is nothing opposing their movement, I think they just fall at maximum rate. Not sure what defines the rate, but its probably independent of the mass and density.
As far as I can tell, gravity doesn't explain this. Why is gravity treated as an acceleration in this case exactly? If gravity is a force, then it should follow F=ma, so the object with more mass should fall slower, so how does falling at the same rate "confirm" gravity is working?

Buoyancy is related to density (of fluids) and you've mangled force and acceleration badly. I could spend an hour or more trying to improve your understanding, but you're not worth it. Either you are just incredibly (and stubbornly) poorly informed or you are a fake. Neither is conducive to learning.

 

[Astrid]

How does one scam oneself?

Any serious minded researcher needs to always
keep in mind that the easiest person to fool is yourself.

You might look into such things as confirmation bias?

I dont know how you scammed yourself.

I might do it by wanting to believe something
too much, ignoring red flags. I did that with a guy,
with disasterous results.

And now i kind of go too far the other
way, so suspicious.
I know I am not being realistic but its hard
to trust now.

IMO, we are all better off with an objective,
realistic view of life-
and one of my key concepts is, " What if I am wrong,
what am I missing? "

Might be a fun exercise for you, to try for a
day or more, just switch gears and ask that.
Or even just try believing you are very mistaken abou
all this conspiracy. See where it goes.
Yah?

BTW- just TRY to get people at the U of
Hong Kong to go along with some goofy fraud that
screws up all their research, for no reason.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What makes you think they are lies? Have you looked into them? If not, are you afraid you might end up believing these "lies"?

The only people who believe them are the ones who don't even understand how helium balloons work.

Not only are they lies, but they target the low-hanging fruit, as it were.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How does one scam oneself?

It's quite simple, actually... ever read Huckleberry Finn? If so, go back and read the chapters on "The Royal Nonesuch."

The world is full of suckers who will stand for anything except being exposed as suckers. To avoid it, they'll happily convince anyone they can that black is white or up is down... alas, they usually only fool themselves

 

[AV1611VET]

The only people who believe them are the ones who don't even understand how helium balloons work.

Professionals built the Hindenburg, amateurs built the Ark.

 

[Astrid]

The only people who believe them are the ones who don't even understand how helium balloons work.

Not only are they lies, but they target the low-hanging fruit, as it were.

Be nice now. Its no crime to be ignorant and confused.

Our maid (rural Philippines)
was very confused how middle ofthe night
here ( like now) is daytime in the USA.
Like why do I so often sleep all day and
stay up late on computer -

Just no idea how the world can be round,
like an orange, that its cold at the poles...

Shes a nice young woman, smart, and hates
being superstitious and uneducated.

Ive taken on helping with her English,
When she passes the TOEFL I will sponsor
her, that is pay her expenses, to attend school
in the USA.
Her impossible dream to be a nurse is going to
come true.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Did you miss the part where he said: "I wanna know but I think I know, because we didn't...cause we didn't go there and that's [the] way it happened, and if it didn't happen; its nice to know why it didn't happen".

He was talking about why we didn't go to the moon after the Apollo project.

 

[AV1611VET]

Our maid (rural Philippines) was very confused how middle of the night here (like now) is daytime in the USA.

I know some college-educated people who are confused as to how three days can transpire without the sun.

 

[AV1611VET]

He was talking about why we didn't go to the moon after the Apollo project.

Probably because they're still haggling over what to call the next project.

 

[sjastro]

Not sure.

With density and buoyancy, in a vacuum, because there is nothing opposing their movement, I think they just fall at maximum rate. Not sure what defines the rate, but its probably independent of the mass and density.
As far as I can tell, gravity doesn't explain this. Why is gravity treated as an acceleration in this case exactly? If gravity is a force, then it should follow F=ma, so the object with more mass should fall slower, so how does falling at the same rate "confirm" gravity is working?

The level of ignorance displayed in this post is astonishing.
First of all it is nonsensical to talk about buoyancy in a vacuum.
When an object is immersed in a medium such as air or water it displaces a volume of the medium (heard of Archimedes?)
The weight of the displaced medium is the buoyant force Bf which acts in the opposite direction to the gravitational force which is F=mg, the weight of the object, where g is the acceleration due to gravity.

If Bf > F then the object floats in the medium such as a helium balloon in air.

Firstly, earth is special. The things you see above are not earthy things, not made of rocks etc. The moon is transparent. Have you ever seen the other side of the moon? The sun, moon, and the stars are moving clockwise above the earth (center of motion being the north pole - the center of the earth; also there is no south pole), the wondering stars (the "other planets") have the sun as their center of circular motion.
View attachment 314792 View attachment 314793 View attachment 314794
View attachment 314796View attachment 314797
View attachment 314798View attachment 314799

So the moon is not made out of rock?
I suppose the Apollo missions to the moon where fakes when the astronauts “supposedly” returned with lunar rocks along with samples collected by unmanned Soviet and later on by Chinese missions.
Then there are the lunar meteorites found on Earth.
Randy Korotev who takes no prisoners as I know from experience would have a field day with you.

There is no South Pole?
Heard of the celestial pole which is a projection of the Earth’s North or South Pole onto the sky?
In the northern hemisphere stars appear to move counterclockwise around the NCP (North Celestial Pole) where as they move clockwise around the SCP.
It’s very difficult to explain motion around the SCP if there is no South Pole.
How do you explain being an Australian from Perth you are unable to observe the Northern Pole star Polaris if the Earth is flat.
Since you seem to going on about a geocentric model as well explain how stars exhibit parallax if the earth is stationary?

See my point about gravity in the "same rate in a vacuum" section. Furthermore, the weight of objects do not change between midday and midnight, so how can gravity and the solar system be true? I would expect that objects would weight less at midday compared to midnight because at midday the earth's and sun's gravitational pull would oppose each other on an object (causing it to weigh less), while at midnight, they would work together (causing it to weigh more). Obviously, this does not occur.

What makes you think it doesn’t?

Here is a bit of maths.
Newton’s law of gravitational attraction is F = Gm₁m₂/r²
Let’s consider a man of weight 80 kg (mass ≈ 8 kg).
We can consider the change of force Δf on an 80 kg mass between the near and far side distance of the Earth to the Sun.
This is simply Δf =G(Mm)/(R-r)²-G(Mm)/(R+r)²

G is the gravitational constant = 6.67 x 10⁻¹¹ m³ kg⁻¹ s⁻²
M is the mass of the Sun= 1.98 x10³⁰ kg
m = 80 kg.
R is the Earth-Sun distance = 1.5 x 10¹¹ m
r is the Earth’s radius = 6.371x 10⁶ m
(R-r) and (R+r) are the near and far side distances respectively.

Plugging in the values give Δf ≈ 0.08g which is a negligible difference.

 

[sjastro]

Buoyancy is related to density (of fluids) and you've mangled force and acceleration badly. I could spend an hour or more trying to improve your understanding, but you're not worth it. Either you are just incredibly (and stubbornly) poorly informed or you are a fake. Neither is conducive to learning.

He might be a cardboard cut out like Buzz Aldrin.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Be nice now. Its no crime to be ignorant and confused.

Never said it was -- I never begrudge anyone their own delusions... until they try to inflict them on others.

Our maid (rural Philippines)
was very confused how middle ofthe night
here ( like now) is daytime in the USA.
Like why do I so often sleep all day and
stay up late on computer -

Just no idea how the world can be round,
like an orange, that its cold at the poles...

Shes a nice young woman, smart, and hates
being superstitious and uneducated.

Ive taken on helping with her English,
When she passes the TOEFL I will sponsor
her, that is pay her expenses, to attend school
in the USA.
Her impossible dream to be a nurse is going to
come true.

Your maid was willing to learn -- and for that, she has my respect.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your maid was willing to learn -- and for that, she has my respect.

You don't see any problems with Post 886?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You don't see any problems with Post 886?

I see several problems... but unlike you:

Shes a nice young woman, smart, and hates
being superstitious and uneducated.

I see a solution.

 

[Astrid]

I see several problems... but unlike you:



I see a solution.

What probs and solutions are yountalking about?

 

[TLK Valentine]

What probs and solutions are yountalking about?

Ignorance is the problem; education is the solution. Plain and simple.

 

[AV1611VET]

What probs and solutions are yountalking about?

Your post says she "WAS very confused," yet you go on to say she hates being uneducated.

How is it that a person who hates being uneducated carries confusion about day/night into her employment years?

I can't ascertain from what you went on to say if she is still confused about it or not?

She evidently is looking forward to being a nurse, so she must be a smart cookie.

Your post is confusing.

 

[Astrid]

Ignorance is the problem; education is the solution. Plain and simple.

Ok just dont get the " unlike you" bit

 

[FullMoon]

The weight of the displaced medium is the buoyant force Bf which acts in the opposite direction to the gravitational force which is F=mg, the weight of the object, where g is the acceleration due to gravity.

"where g is the acceleration due to gravity"?, I think you have missed my point. Why is it in a vacuum do the objects experience the same acceleration? Seems to me like "gravity" applies a different amount of force depending on the mass of the object (F=ma) which is nonsense.

I suppose the Apollo missions to the moon where fakes when the astronauts “supposedly” returned with lunar rocks along with samples collected by unmanned Soviet and later on by Chinese missions.
Then there are the lunar meteorites found on Earth.

Yes, fake. Have you seen the previous posts?

In the northern hemisphere stars appear to move counterclockwise around the NCP (North Celestial Pole) where as they move clockwise around the SCP.
It’s very difficult to explain motion around the SCP if there is no South Pole.

Its the effect of the firmament. There was a good video showing how a glass with the shape of the firmament can have similar effect (can't seem to find it now).
Edit: Found it now:
FLAT EARTH DOME & SOUTHERN STAR TRAILS

How do you explain being an Australian from Perth you are unable to observe the Northern Pole star Polaris if the Earth is flat.

You seem to think light has infinite range. You don't think the atmosphere would hinder you from seeing it (try to see through all the air in between)? Furthermore, there is a limitation of the eyes and devices. Try recognizing something represented by 1 pixel for instance.

What makes you think it doesn’t?

Here is a bit of maths.
Newton’s law of gravitational attraction is F = Gm₁m₂/r²
Let’s consider a man of weight 80 kg (mass ≈ 8 kg).
We can consider the change of force Δf on an 80 kg mass between the near and far side distance of the Earth to the Sun.
This is simply Δf =G(Mm)/(R-r)²-G(Mm)/(R+r)²

G is the gravitational constant = 6.67 x 10⁻¹¹ m³ kg⁻¹ s⁻²
M is the mass of the Sun= 1.98 x10³⁰ kg
m = 80 kg.
R is the Earth-Sun distance = 1.5 x 10¹¹ m
r is the Earth’s radius = 6.371x 10⁶ m
(R-r) and (R+r) are the near and far side distances respectively.

Plugging in the values give Δf ≈ 0.08g which is a negligible difference.

I don't see people selling gold at midnight and buying gold at midday. People would be taking advantage of it if it were true. To test it, you could try something that is 1000kg for instance, that shouldn't be "negligible". How about when you consider mid-summer and mid-winter, still "negligible"?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ok just dont get the " unlike you" bit

That was in reference to AV, not you. Apologies for the misunderstanding.