IF THE LAW OF MOSES WAS SET ASIDE , WHY ROM 13:9?

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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p

If you dig down into it deep enough you'll find that the law of Moses was in fact set aside. Judaism of the time lived under the Levitical priesthood and under the Levitical law. Prior to that priesthood and law was the Aaronic priesthood and the law of Moses. But prior to Moses was the universal law given to all mankind through Noah. The priesthood of Noah's time was the priesthood of Melchesidic. If we look to the priesthood of the new covenant:

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Notice that it skips over the Levitical priesthood and also the Aaronic priesthood and on to the priesthood of Melchesidic. It is the Levitical and Aaronic law that is set aside and the Melchisedec law is now the law. And it's no wonder. See Isaiah and Micah:

Isa 2:3 ...For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem

Mic 4:2 ...For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

It is that law that went forth from Zion with the apostles and it is that law that the Church has taught since the beginning.
 
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If you dig down into it deep enough you'll find that the law of Moses was in fact set aside. Judaism of the time lived under the Levitical priesthood and under the Levitical law. Prior to that priesthood and law was the Aaronic priesthood and the law of Moses. But prior to Moses was the universal law given to all mankind through Noah. The priesthood of Noah's time was the priesthood of Melchesidic. If we look to the priesthood of the new covenant:

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Notice that it skips over the Levitical priesthood and also the Aaronic priesthood and on to the priesthood of Melchesidic. It is the Levitical and Aaronic law that is set aside and the Melchisedec law is now the law. And it's no wonder. See Isaiah and Micah:

Isa 2:3 ...For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem

Mic 4:2 ...For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

It is that law that went forth from Zion with the apostles and it is that law that the Church has taught since the beginning.

And I believe that the Law of Moses was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:11-14 we see that the Law of Moses was DEFINITELY set aside .

But will anyone says that the Law of Moses is STILL not yet BEING USED as verse 15 and 16 reveals how a Jew has the VAIL taken away from his HEART to believe in Christ .

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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p
It was prophesied first...
Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Then fulfilled through Jesus Christ of Nazareth...
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
 
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If you dig down into it deep enough you'll find that the law of Moses was in fact set aside. Judaism of the time lived under the Levitical priesthood and under the Levitical law. Prior to that priesthood and law was the Aaronic priesthood and the law of Moses.
The Levitical priesthood was the Aaronic priesthood, they are the same.
But prior to Moses was the universal law given to all mankind through Noah.
The priesthood of Noah's time was the priesthood of Melchesidic.
Not unless Abraham lived during the time of Noah (Hebrews 7:1-10).
If we look to the priesthood of the new covenant:
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Notice that it skips over the Levitical priesthood and also the Aaronic priesthood and on to the priesthood of Melchesidic.
What "skips over"?

Beginning with Moses, the people of God lived under the priesthood of the order of Aaron (Levitical),
with Aaron serving as the first High Priest.
Since Christ, they have lived under the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek,
with Jesus Christ serving as its eternal High Priest.

The priesthood of Aaron was instituted to administer the Mosaic law (Hebrews 7:12).
Change of the priesthood required a change of the law (Mosaic) to the law administered
by the new priesthood, which is the Law of Christ, its eternal High Priest.
It is the Levitical and Aaronic law that is set aside and
the Melchisedec law is now the law.
The law administered by the priesthood in the order of Aaron (Levitical) was the Law of Moses.
The law administered by the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek is the Law of Christ
(Matthew 22:37-40; Romans 13:8-10), the law of love which is the fullness of the law.
And it's no wonder. See Isaiah and Micah:
Isa 2:3 ...For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem
Mic 4:2 ...For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
It is that law that went forth from Zion with the apostles and it is that law that
the Church has taught since the beginning.
And that law is the law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-40) which fulfills the Decalogue (Romans 13:8-10)
as well as "whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:9).
 
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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p
Christ said in Luke 22:20, “Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.”
Also, in Hen 8:13, “In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”.
Some attribute Hebrews to Paul, but it doesn’t really matter since the author of all Scripture is the Holy Spirit.
 
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The Levitical priesthood was the Aaronic priesthood, they are the same.
Not unless Abraham lived during the time of Noah (Hebrews 7:1-10).

What "skips over"?

Beginning with Moses, the people of God lived under the priesthood of the order of Aaron (Levitical),
with Aaron serving as the first High Priest.
Since Christ, they have lived under the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek,
with Jesus Christ serving as its eternal High Priest.

The priesthood of Aaron was instituted to administer the Mosaic law.
Change of the priesthood required a change of the law (Mosaic) which it administered (Hebrews 7:12).

The law administered by the priesthood in the order of Aaron (Levitical) was the Law of Moses.
The law administered by the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek in the Law of Christ
(Matthew 22:37-40; Romans 13:8-10), the law of love which fulfills the Decalogue.

And that law is the law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-40) which fulfills the Decalogue (Romans 13:8-10)
as well as "any other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:9).

See the covenant of Noah.
 
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See the covenant of Noah.
The Covenant of Noah was made with all mankind, not specifically with the called-out people of God beginning with Abraham, and the Abrahamic covenant.
 
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The Covenant of Noah was made with all mankind, not specifically with the called-out people of God beginning with Abraham, and the Abrahamic covenant.

The covenant of Noah was in effect in Abraham's time. Melchesidic was a priest of that covenant. The laws were very simple and were only changed in Moses' time with Aaron as high priest. Afterwards the Levites attained the priesthood and gave the secondary law. So at one time Melchesidic was a priest of God but under the covenant with Noah. The writer to the Hebrews said:

Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

He then says of the law:

Heb 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

The writer skips the Levitical priesthood and then the priesthood of Aaron and on to Melchesidic. And then:

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

That change of the law was the abolishment of the Levitical and Aaronic laws. He said of Jesus:

Heb 5:10 called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,”

With the change of the priesthood the law reverted back to the time of Melchesidic. In the end, that is what Christianity has always taught, even though it is never expressed that way.
 
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The covenant of Noah was in effect in Abraham's time. Melchesidic was a priest of that covenant.
Scripture reports no association of Melchizedek with the covenant of Noah.
In fact, the Scriptural silence about Melchizedek is used in Hebrews 7:3 to present him as a type of Christ, the Son of God.

What is your basis for all this extra-Biblical assertion about Melchizedek?
The laws were very simple and were only changed in Moses' time with Aaron as high priest. Afterwards the Levites attained the priesthood and gave the secondary law.
Moses and Aaron were of the tribe of Levi.
The tribe of Levi had the priesthood since Moses.
So at one time Melchesidic was a priest of God but under the covenant with Noah. The writer to the Hebrews said:

Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

He then says of the law:

Heb 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

The writer skips the Levitical priesthood and then the priesthood of Aaron and on to Melchesidic. And then:

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

That change of the law was the abolishment of the Levitical and Aaronic laws. He said of Jesus:

Heb 5:10 called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,”
With the change of the priesthood the law reverted back to the time of Melchesidic. In the end, that is what Christianity has always taught, even though it is never expressed that way.
Except that Scripture refers to Melchizedek as the change (Hebrews 7:12),
not to Moses and Aaron as the change.
 
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Scripture reports no association of Melchizedek with the covenant of Noah.
In fact, the Scriptural silence about Melchizedek is used in Hebrews 7:3 to present him as a type of Christ, the Son of God.

What is your basis for all this extra-Biblical assertion about Melchizedek?
Moses and Aaron were of the tribe of Levi.
The tribe of Levi had the priesthood since Moses.

Except that Scripture refers to Melchizedek as the change (Hebrews 7:12),
not to Moses and Aaron as the change.

Under what covenant was Melchesidic a priest of God? Couldn't have been after Moses. There was a covenant between God and Adam, and there was a covenant between God and Noah. That covenant did not change until the covenant with Abraham. Prior to that change Abraham lived at the time of Melchesidic.

That change spoken of, change in what? It says there was a change in the law. It changed from the Levitical law to something else. It didn't revert back to the Aaronic law because Aaron is specifically excluded by Hebrews 7:11.
 
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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p

2 Cor 3:7-13 Lays out: The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 3 - New International Version

Having said that, the book of Hebrews (whomever wrote it) say's it clearly:

Heb chapter 7 - The priesthood has changed, the whole chapter lays it out. I'll post a most specific verse to your OP statement:

Verse 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 7 - New International Version
(MY NOTE: Old covenant high priests were appointed via their human bloodline. The NOW new covenant high priest (Jesus the Christ) was appointed vis oath by the Father)

Heb chapter 8 - The High Priest of a New Covenant. I'll post a most specific verse to your OP statement:

Verse 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 8 - New International Version
(MY NOTE: Shortly after this chapter is written the Temple is destroyed & the old covenant completely disappears.)

Heb 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 9 - New International Version
(MY NOTE: Christ is the mediator the "NEW" covenant.

Onto a couple comments on Rom 13:

No Mosaic covenant law, doesn't mean NO law. Adam broke heavens rule & paid a stiff price. Under the New Covenant Love & Faith are pillars of law.

Great Christ Given Commandments:
Matt 22:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 And Jesus replied to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].
(MY NOTE: Love God 1st & Love your brother)

40 The whole Law and the [writings of the] Prophets depend on these two commandments.” (Also see Mk 12:28-34, Jn 13:34-35)
(MY NOTE: If we truly love God & our brother. We won't kill, steal, covet, falsely accuse etc)

Royal Law:
Ja 2:8 If, however, you are [really] fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, if you have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit]” you are doing well.

Law of Christ:
Gal 6:2 Carry one another’s burdens and in this way you will fulfill the requirements of the law of Christ [that is, the law of Christian love].

Love:
Gal 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one precept, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, you shall have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit].

Rom 13:8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love and seek the best for one another; for he who [unselfishly] loves his neighbor has fulfilled the [essence of the] law.

1 Thes 4:9 Now concerning brotherly love, you have no need for anyone to write you, for you have been [personally] taught by God to love one another [that is, to have an unselfish concern for others and to do things for their benefit].

1 Jn 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe [with personal faith and confident trust] in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and [that we unselfishly] love and seek the best for one another, just as He commanded us.

1 Jn 4:
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love

1 Cor 13:
4 Love endures with patience and serenity, love is kind and thoughtful, and is not jealous or envious; love does not brag and is not proud or arrogant.

5 It is not rude; it is not self-seeking, it is not provoked [nor overly sensitive and easily angered]; it does not take into account a wrong endured.

6 It does not rejoice at injustice, but rejoices with the truth [when right and truth prevail].

7 Love bears all things [regardless of what comes], believes all things [looking for the best in each one], hopes all things [remaining steadfast during difficult times], endures all things [without weakening].

Summery: LOVE
patiently endues, is always kind, truthful & forgiving.

Love is never jealous, envious, boastful, proud, arrogant, rude selfish, provoked, vindictive.

1 Cor 9:21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law
(MY NOTE: If we truly love God & our brother. We won't kill, steal, covet, falsely accuse etc)

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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS, and in Rom 13:9 he writes ,
For this,
#1 thou shall not commit Adultery .
#2 Thou shall not kill .
#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,
#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul left OUT ?
I believe the Law, what is called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .
And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT.

dan p
'Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
.. For this,
.... Thou shalt not commit adultery,
...... Thou shalt not kill,
........ Thou shalt not steal,
.......... Thou shalt not bear false witness,
............ Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.'
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.'
(Rom 13:8-10)

Hello @Dan Perez,

You say, 'notice what Paul left out?' - Looking back to the source of this quotation (Exodus 20) there is a lot that Paul left out, so I'm afraid I don't understand what you are referring to here, Dan.

I do agree that the New Covenant is not in operation at the moment, for it has yet to be made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel as specified in Jeremiah 31:31+. Israel is at present in a Lo-ammi condition, and in a state of blindness, because of their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King. So it will not be made until they are brought to repentance in that day of God's choosing. Until then all associated with it is in abeyance.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
.. For this,
.... Thou shalt not commit adultery,
...... Thou shalt not kill,
........ Thou shalt not steal,
.......... Thou shalt not bear false witness,
............ Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.'
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.'
(Rom 13:8-10)

Hello @Dan Perez,

You say, 'notice what Paul left out?' - Looking back to the source of this quotation (Exodus 20) there is a lot that Paul left out, so I'm afraid I don't understand what you are referring to here, Dan.

I do agree that the New Covenant is not in operation at the moment, for it has yet to be made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel as specified in Jeremiah 31:31+. Israel is at present in a Lo-ammi condition, and in a state of blindness, because of their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King. So it will not be made until they are brought to repentance in that day of God's choosing. Until then all associated with it is in abeyance.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
And in Matt 22:36-38 and 39 .

A lawyer asked what is the great commandment in the Law ?

Jesus said unto him , Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind !

This n is the FIRST and great commandment , And the Second is like unto it , Thou shall love thy Neighbour as thyself .

Verse 40 , On these 2 commandments hang all law and prophets .

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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .
#2 Thou shall not kill .
#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,
#4 Thou shall not Covet .
Notice what Paul let OUT ?
I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .
And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!
dan p

Paul's is a Different Dispensation: the parenthesis.

So then, the Pauline-parenthesis ends before this:

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day
 
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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p

See also 1 Timothy 1 where Paul said the law is good, if used lawfully. See also 1 Corinthians 6 and Galatians 5, where Paul also reveals that not all of God's law is done away with per Christian doctrine.

Time to expand... the understanding.

What Lord Jesus fulfilled upon His cross was the 'handwriting in ordinances' in God's law. That means all the old covenant blood ritual, ceremonial worship requiring a Levitical priesthood, various washings, etc., was done away by Christ on His cross, but NOT God's laws against murder, theft, perjury, rape, etc., i.e., the very things Paul mentioned where he said those who practice such shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Paul showed in Galatians 5 that when we 'walk' by The Holy Spirit, then we will not be doing anything that is against God's law.

But walk by the flesh, and we place ourselves back under the law. In 1 Timothy 1, Paul said the law was not made for the righteous, but for the ungodly and profane, the wicked. Thus the purpose for God's law among Christian society is to maintain peace for God's faithful, and punish and control the wicked.

This is why the court system and prison system still exists today. It is the devil's children that want us to do away with both of those systems, and let chaos reign instead, their rioting in the streets.

So when we as Christians hear a preacher in the pulpit say all of God's laws are now dead, then run, immediately, out of that false church, because that is NOT a real Christian Church, but what God called a 'beth-aven' which means a house of vanity.
 
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We know that Paul wrote the book of ROMANS ,and in Rom 13:9 he writes , For this , thou shall not commit Adultery .

#2 Thou shall not kill .

#3 thou shall not bear false witness ,

#4 Thou shall not Covet .

Notice what Paul let OUT ?

I believe the Law , what bis called the OLD COVENANT was set aside as Paul wrote in 2 Cor 3:13 .

And nowhere does Paul say we are in the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p
You answered your own question in Romans 13:8-10. God's 10 commandments have never been abolished. According to the new covenant scriptures (beside the ones you have already quoted from Romans 13:8-10) the purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of what good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when broken) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) as shown by Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and John in 1 John 3:4 and James in James 2:10-11.

According to the scriptures, there is a difference between Gods' law (the 10 commandments) and the laws of Moses for remission of sins (the Sanctuary laws, the Priesthood, the laws of meat and drink offerings and animal sacrifice for blood atonement for sin) which are were all shadow laws of things to come pointing to Gods' true sacrifice for the sins of the world in Christ *John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10 and the role of Jesus under the new covenant as our great high priest who now ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22).

This is where the confusion is and is why the scripture calls Gods' law the 10 commandments which was spoken and written with the finger of God alone and the law of Moses the book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7). Many Church's teach the false teachings of lawlessness (without law) which is an unbiblical false teaching unsupported by the scriptures. God is calling us all to come out from following man-made teachings and traditions and return to His Word. (John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-5).

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
 
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