Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[2PhiloVoid]

You really - really dont know?

What do YOU mean saying you are " purposely less
concerned...how... perceive"?

I 'mean' that I can do what I can to get my point across, but at the end of the day, there's ALWAYS going to be someone who doesn't like what I'll have to say...............no matter how well I might end up stating it or how rationally I might articulate it.

But hey! This is why the fields of Communication Theory and Hermeneutics exist----so, other people can learn to listen to and understand ME better.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Tell me this, BNR32FAN, how did you come to the Christian faith? Were you told by someone "Here's a bible, now just read it and believe it" and you did? Did you do any outside reading (or other study) apart from the Bible to come to the conclusion that you felt you believed it?

I was backed into a corner by God where the only way out was thru Him. I was 38 years old never married, no kids, in a dead end job where I worked for several different companies over the course of 10 years and was stuck at the same wage even tho I outperformed everyone in each of those companies. I was lonely, I was scared that I would always be alone and struggling financially. That I would never be able to buy a home and that I would die alone breaking my back working hard all my life having nothing to show for my efforts. Then one day while playing a game on iPhone I made friends with a 19 year old Christian Filipino girl named Gail. Long story short over the course of 8 months of playing the game everyday and texting her while playing we became very good friends. She was a very conservative dedicated Christian girl while I was a very sinful unbeliever. Thru our conversations I began to notice that everything in her life was just perfect and everything in my life was terrible. Then I asked myself why doesn’t God help me? Then I realized, why should He? What have I ever done to deserve His help? That’s when I made a decision that I have to try something different in my life because what I had been doing for almost 40 years wasn’t working. So I decided to start going to church and living my life to serve God and in 8 months of doing this I got another job making better money and shortly after I got a raise and was making 25% more than I had in the last 10 years. I was so impressed and attracted to the general morality and conservative nature of Filipino culture that I decided to start attending a Filipino church because I had developed a huge crush on Gail although she was half my age so I had no intention on trying to have a relationship with her so I wanted to try to find someone closer to my age. I prayed and asked The Father to help me find some that was right for me. I didn’t end up meeting someone at my church but I did make a lot of really wonderful and loving friends who kept urging me to contact their relatives, daughters, nieces, etc in the Philippines but I had no intention on trying to meet someone living so far away that I couldn’t meet in person and develop a relationship with. Then one day I got a text on Facebook from a girl in the Philippines just out of nowhere. My first thought was why is this person texting me? I found out that she didn’t know Gail and she didn’t know anyone in my church it was completely random. My first reaction was to not converse with her because it’s just weird that she would text me not knowing me or anything about me. Then I started looking at her profile and she actually met all the criteria that I had been praying for so I started texting with her and we became good friends. A year and a half later I finally decided to ask her if I could come meet her in person and she said yes. So I took a vacation in the Philippines and met her in person and absolutely fell in love. I ended up proposing to her and she said yes. So I came back to America and started doing the fiance visa process which took another year and a half, she came here with her two daughters, we got married, had a son and now I have a beautiful family and couldn’t be happier. She’s been here 4 years now and we’re inseparable. Im making even more money now and soon to start my own dump truck business, God willing, and hopefully start buying a home. Ever since I came to Christ, God has blessed me with more than I could imagine and I’ll never turn away from Him. After coming to Christ and seeing all the blessings and answered prayers unfolding I realized that God had put me in that terrible place in my life to urge me to turn to Him for help. I believe He arranged my meet with Gail and my wife and this was His plan from the start. This is how I came to Christ and the results that came afterwards. That’s why I’m a believer because He has completely changed my life and taken away my pain and replaced it with unimaginable joy and love and I praise His holy name for reaching out to me when I was such a wretch!! Amazing grace indeed!! It literally brings tears to my eyes thinking about what He has done for me and what He has given me after finally coming to Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You may be right. But then again, I'm an Existentialist, and I am, quite purposefully, less concerned than other folks about "how" people perceive my sometimes ascerbic wit.

This whole conversation came about while discussing the 6 day creation and young earth vs evolution and the discussion was constantly based on scientific evidence so that’s why I felt it necessary to point out that if you can’t believe in a 6 day creation or a young earth because of scientific evidence how can you believe in Christ’s incarnation or resurrection or any of the numerous miracles mentioned in the Bible? The point was to point out the inconsistency in their logic and to point out that the Bible is a spiritual supernatural book and I think I have successfully accomplished that. If a person can’t believe in the biblical creation account because it defies the laws and evidence of science then that position should be consistently in opposition to all of the miracles in the Bible including Christ’s incarnation and resurrection not just some of them.

 

[Astrid]

I 'mean' that I can do what I can to get my point across, but at the end of the day, there's ALWAYS going to be someone who doesn't like what I'll have to say...............no matter how well I might end up stating it or how rationally I might articulate it.

But hey! This is why the fields of Communication Theory and Hermeneutics exist----so, other people can learn to listen to and understand ME better.

List credentials, routinely refer to accomplishments,
mixx in a couple of philosophers, toss in "epistomology"
a time or two, e press surprise that not all atheists
are the tedious iceologs of your " experience" and
say you are unconcerned with how you are perceived
Then if a little unenthusiastic feedback
appears-
Blame the audience.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Faith is what separates them, not belief in a literal Bible. The Bible merely corroberates and gives shape to what we believe.

The word faith or pistis in the Greek language is the noun form of the same exact word pisteuo which means believe which is the verb form of pistis. So your saying we need faith the noun but not faith the verb in order to be saved. It’s a contradiction in terms.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

List credentials, routinely refer to accomplishments,
mixx in a couple of philosophers, toss in "epistomology"
a time or two, e press surprise that not all atheists
are the tedious iceologs of your " experience" and
say you are unconcerned with how you are perceived
Then if a little unenthusiastic feedback
appears-
Blame the audience.

I'm glad that you're thoroughly impressed with my mindset and accomplishments, Estrid.

I knew I could count on you to be in my corner!

 

[BNR32FAN]

Inconsistent with what? With a belief in the literal inerrancy of scripture? Sure. So what?

No inconsistent in their reasoning for their disbelief in the miracles performed by God. Their reasoning doesn’t stand constant it waivers for some miracles as opposed to others. That’s the inconsistency I’m referring to.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

This whole conversation came about while discussing the 6 day creation and young earth vs evolution and the discussion was constantly based on scientific evidence so that’s why I felt it necessary to point out that if you can’t believe in a 6 day creation or a young earth because of scientific evidence how can you believe in Christ’s incarnation or resurrection or any of the numerous miracles mentioned in the Bible? The point was to point out the inconsistency in their logic and to point out that the Bible is a spiritual supernatural book and I think I have successfully accomplished that. If a person can’t believe in the biblical creation account because it defies the laws and evidence of science then that position should be consistently in opposition to all of the miracles in the Bible including Christ’s incarnation and resurrection not just some of them.

Unfortunately, this conclusion of yours is a non-sequitur in my view.

But, hey! Don't worry about it. That's ok. I don't require that every other person agree with "my view."

I'm glad that you have faith in Christ and I wouldn't want to knock that down.

Be blessed! (And thanks for sharing your testimony, brother!)

 

[ottawak]

The word faith or pistis in the Greek language is the noun form of the same exact word pisteuo which means believe which is the verb form of pistis. So your saying we need faith the noun but not faith the verb in order to be saved. It’s a contradiction in terms.

Well, here I learned something. I never thought of faith as a noun.

I was backed into a corner by God where the only way out was thru Him. I was 38 years old never married, no kids, in a dead end job where I worked for several different companies over the course of 10 years and was stuck at the same wage even tho I outperformed everyone in each of those companies. I was lonely, I was scared that I would always be alone and struggling financially. That I would never be able to buy a home and that I would die alone breaking my back working hard all my life having nothing to show for my efforts. Then one day while playing a game on iPhone I made friends with a 19 year old Christian Filipino girl named Gail. Long story short over the course of 8 months of playing the game everyday and texting her while playing we became very good friends. She was a very conservative dedicated Christian girl while I was a very sinful unbeliever. Thru our conversations I began to notice that everything in her life was just perfect and everything in my life was terrible. Then I asked myself why doesn’t God help me? Then I realized, why should He? What have I ever done to deserve His help? That’s when I made a decision that I have to try something different in my life because what I had been doing for almost 40 years wasn’t working. So I decided to start going to church and living my life to serve God and in 8 months of doing this I got another job making better money and shortly after I got a raise and was making 25% more than I had in the last 10 years. I was so impressed and attracted to the general morality and conservative nature of Filipino culture that I decided to start attending a Filipino church because I had developed a huge crush on Gail although she was half my age so I had no intention on trying to have a relationship with her so I wanted to try to find someone closer to my age. I prayed and asked The Father to help me find some that was right for me. I didn’t end up meeting someone at my church but I did make a lot of really wonderful and loving friends who kept urging me to contact their relatives, daughters, nieces, etc in the Philippines but I had no intention on trying to meet someone living so far away that I couldn’t meet in person and develop a relationship with. Then one day I got a text on Facebook from a girl in the Philippines just out of nowhere. My first thought was why is this person texting me? I found out that she didn’t know Gail and she didn’t know anyone in my church it was completely random. My first reaction was to not converse with her because it’s just weird that she would text me not knowing me or anything about me. Then I started looking at her profile and she actually met all the criteria that I had been praying for so I started texting with her and we became good friends. A year and a half later I finally decided to ask her if I could come meet her in person and she said yes. So I took a vacation in the Philippines and met her in person and absolutely fell in love. I ended up proposing to her and she said yes. So I came back to America and started doing the fiance visa process which took another year and a half, she came here with her two daughters, we got married, had a son and now I have a beautiful family and couldn’t be happier. She’s been here 4 years now and we’re inseparable. Im making even more money now and soon to start my own dump truck business, God willing, and hopefully start buying a home. Ever since I came to Christ, God has blessed me with more than I could imagine and I’ll never turn away from Him. After coming to Christ and seeing all the blessings and answered prayers unfolding I realized that God had put me in that terrible place in my life to urge me to turn to Him for help. I believe He arranged my meet with Gail and my wife and this was His plan from the start. This is how I came to Christ and the results that came afterwards. That’s why I’m a believer because He has completely changed my life and taken away my pain and replaced it with unimaginable joy and love and I praise His holy name for reaching out to me when I was such a wretch!! Amazing grace indeed!! It literally brings tears to my eyes thinking about what He has done for me and what He has given me after finally coming to Him.

A terrific story--I'm glad for you. But what about it requires belief in literal inerrancy?

 

[ottawak]

No inconsistent in their reasoning for their disbelief in the miracles performed by God. Their reasoning doesn’t stand constant it waivers for some miracles as opposed to others. That’s the inconsistency I’m referring to.

The only disbelief I see is that all of the miracles described in the Bible must of necessity have had supernatural causes.

 

[Astrid]

I'm glad that you're thoroughly impressed with my mindset and accomplishments, Estrid.

I knew I could count on you to be in my corner!

As if

 

[Astrid]

The only disbelief I see is that all of the miracles described in the Bible must of necessity have had supernatural causes.

Afaic, there have been no miracles.
Why people tell tales of them is a different
subject.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said it was eternal I honestly haven’t come to a conclusion whether it is temporary or eternal.

Even temporary it sounds excessive. You are depicting a God of vengeance, not one of justice. That is why many Christians have ditched the concept of a punitive hell.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Unfortunately, this conclusion of yours is a non-sequitur in my view.

But, hey! Don't worry about it. That's ok. I don't require that every other person agree with "my view."

I'm glad that you have faith in Christ and I wouldn't want to knock that down.

Be blessed! (And thanks for sharing your testimony, brother!)

Thanks brother and God bless you to.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Even temporary it sounds excessive. You are depicting a God of vengeance, not one of justice. That is why many Christians have ditched the concept of a punitive hell.

We don’t get to choose what the Bible teaches. It teaches what God wants it to teach not what we want it to.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Even temporary it sounds excessive. You are depicting a God of vengeance, not one of justice. That is why many Christians have ditched the concept of a punitive hell.

You're beginning to beg the question here, SZ. It's probably best that you just stick with Geology and how it, as a historical and evidential set of scientific evidences, contrasts with the biblical record and why this shouldn't be too hard for Christians to contemplate.

Otherwise, folks will have to get out their Axiological boots, and I don't think this thread is really the place to stomp around for a talk about pluralities in the conception of some thing called "justice."

 

[ottawak]

We don’t get to choose what the Bible teaches. It teaches what God wants it to teach not what we want it to.

And you are somehow uniquely situated to tell us what that is.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

As if

Well, at least I don't have to become a die-hard, card-carrying Communist in order to get you to comment on my lack of credentials. So, all's good!

 

[Subduction Zone]

We don’t get to choose what the Bible teaches. It teaches what God wants it to teach not what we want it to.

Sorry, but you were the one that made the claim of "justice" and then contradicted yourself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You're beginning to beg the question here, SZ. It's probably best that you just stick with Geology and how it, as a historical and evidential set of scientific evidences, contrasts with the biblical record and why this shouldn't be too hard for Christians to contemplate.

Otherwise, folks will have to get out their Axiological boots, and I don't think this thread is really the place to stomp around for a talk about pluralities in the conception of some thing called "justice."

No, there was a claim of "justice". It could not be substantiated. Many, if not most, Christians have dropped the idea of a punitive hell since it simply contradicts too many other teachings of the Bible.