WHAT DOES ACTS 18:8 REALLY MEAN ?

[BABerean2]

This truth was not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, nor of the gospels, or the earlier epistles of Paul, because it had been 'hid in God' since the world began (Ephesians 3:9).

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


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[BABerean2]

I am in the Body of Christ, not Israel.

How can you separate Israel from the King of Israel?
Is Christ not your king?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Have you cut Titus 3:9 out of your Bible?


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[Guojing]

How can you separate Israel from the King of Israel?
Is Christ not your king?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Have you cut Titus 3:9 out of your Bible?


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Christ is the head of the Body of Christ Colossians 1:18, not the King of the Body of Christ.

He is the King of Israel, as Peter stated.

 

[readywriter]

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Hello BABerean2,

I believe what Paul said in Ephesians 3:9 and Colossians 1:26, that the Mystery made known to Him, by Divine revelation, was 'hid in God', from 'ages and generations', and was made known to His saints, by Paul in his later epistles.

The passage you have quoted from Romans has no bearing on the content of the revelation of God made known to Paul at the end of the Acts period, and made known in his later epistles, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[readywriter]

How can you separate Israel from the King of Israel?
Is Christ not your king?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Have you cut Titus 3:9 out of your Bible?

Hello BABerean2,

No, as a member of the Church which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all, He is my glorious HEAD.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[readywriter]

Are you claiming you have not been grafted into Israel?

Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Hello BABereans2,

No, I have not been grafted into Israel. I am part of a new creation, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which He hath before ordained that I should walk in. Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[BABerean2]

Hello BABereans2,

No, I have not been grafted into Israel. I am part of a new creation, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which He hath before ordained that I should walk in. Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

You are a part of the Body of the King of Israel, but you are not a part of Israel...

That would be an oxymoron.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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OK.

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[Guojing]

You are a part of the Body of the King of Israel, but you are not a part of Israel...

That would be an oxymoron.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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OK.

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Galatians 2:7-9 already made it clear there are 2 gospels for 2 different groups of audience.

 

[readywriter]

You are a part of the Body of the King of Israel, but you are not a part of Israel...

That would be an oxymoron.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

OK.

Hello @BABerean,

No, it is not an oxymoron.

As a member of the Church which is Christ's Body, I am part of the household of God, having been brought nigh unto Him, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Part of a joint Body, in which there is equality and unity, the Jew no longer having a prior position: so that individual believers, whatever their nationality are united to Christ as their Head.
We are blessed with all spiritual blessings, which are ours in Christ Jesus our risen Lord: at God's right hand, in the heavenly places, far above all heavens. We are 'complete' in Him, having been ''accepted in the Beloved, adopted as sons of God, Holy and without blame before Him, in Christ Jesus. We are to be His inheritance in heavenly places, as redeemed Israel will be His inheritance on the earth.

Praise God for His wondrous grace!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[1an]

You are a part of the Body of the King of Israel, but you are not a part of Israel...

That would be an oxymoron.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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OK.

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Excuse me! What has all this got to do with the OP?

 

[BABerean2]

Excuse me! What has all this got to do with the OP?

Several members of this forum are promoting Dispensational Theology in an effort to explain this OP, and that doctrine only works by relying on "genealogies", no matter what Paul said.

They claim God has Two Peoples, the Church and Israel.

This doctrine is less than 200 years old. Its original source is found below.


Genesis of Dispensational Theology

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[BABerean2]

We are to be His inheritance in heavenly places, as redeemed Israel will be His inheritance on the earth.

You must have missed the passage below where Peter reveals the fate of the earth.
Do you understand the words "burned up", and "dissolved"?


2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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[BABerean2]

Galatians 2:7-9 already made it clear there are 2 gospels for 2 different groups of audience.

Do you think Paul changed his mind after he wrote chapter 1 of the same letter?


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


If you have to ignore the passage above to make your doctrine work, you have revealed it for what it really is.

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[Guojing]

Do you think Paul changed his mind after he wrote chapter 1 of the same letter?


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


If you have to ignore the passage above to make your doctrine work, you have revealed it for what it really is.

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The "you" that you bolded. Do you think he meant gentiles or the circumcised?

Once you understand that, Galatians 2:7-9 will match perfectly with this verse.

 

[1an]

Several members of this forum are promoting Dispensational Theology in an effort to explain this OP, and that doctrine only works by relying on "genealogies", no matter what Paul said.

They claim God has Two Peoples, the Church and Israel.

This doctrine is less than 200 years old. Its original source is found below.


Genesis of Dispensational Theology

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There were lots of factions in Corinth and elsewhere, a bit like today, and this was Paul's problem. That is why he said, going back to the OP, “He was glad he didn't baptize any of the others.” (1 Corinthians 1:14.)

In Acts 18:1 we read Paul left Athens and went to Corinth where he met Aquila, and his wife Priscilla, who along with all Jewish people had been ordered out of Rome by Emperor Claudius. Paul went to see them and found out they were tentmakers, the same as he was. So Paul stayed with them, and they worked together. Every Sabbath, Paul went to the Jewish meeting place. He spoke to Jews and Gentiles and tried to win them over.

As he left the synagogue one day, he went to the home of Justus, a fellow believer who lived next door to the synagogue, probably joined to it. Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all of his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized (Act_18:7-8).

The Corinthians divided themselves into little factious groups similar to us today on here and even in our churches of different denominations. Some were of Apollos, some were of Peter, some of Philip and others were of John the Baptist etc.

Paul told them the arguing was a mark of carnality. He said, “you haven’t grown up. You’re dividing yourselves into these little factious groups. I thank God I didn’t baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, and if there is anyone else, I don’t remember it because God didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Gospel.”

Paul had the commission to preach the gospel, while Jesus commissioned the disciples to go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost and to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. Paul's commission did not include baptism and had he done so, it would only have caused strife and arguments.

 

[atpollard]

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Why do people EMPHASIZE some of what God says and ignore other parts of the same verse?

[Luke 3:16 YLT] 16 John answered, saying to all, 'I indeed with water do baptise you, but he cometh who is mightier than I, of whom I am not worthy to loose the latchet of his sandals -- he shall baptise you with the Holy Spirit and with fire;

So what does THIS part mean?
Luke 3:16 seems to me to be a prophecy of Acts 2, not a condemnation of water baptism.

 

[atpollard]

With respect to the title of this topic, I do not see the meaning of Acts 18:8 as being particularly mysterious. Perhaps a “thought for thought” translation like the NLT might be clearer for someone struggling with what it really means:

Acts 18 [NLT]

1 Then Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. 2 There he became acquainted with a Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently arrived from Italy with his wife, Priscilla. They had left Italy when Claudius Caesar deported all Jews from Rome. 3 Paul lived and worked with them, for they were tentmakers just as he was.
4 Each Sabbath found Paul at the synagogue, trying to convince the Jews and Greeks alike. 5 And after Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul spent all his time preaching the word. He testified to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed and insulted him, Paul shook the dust from his clothes and said, “Your blood is upon your own heads—I am innocent. From now on I will go preach to the Gentiles.”
7 Then he left and went to the home of Titius Justus, a Gentile who worshiped God and lived next door to the synagogue. 8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, and everyone in his household believed in the Lord. Many others in Corinth also heard Paul, became believers, and were baptized.​

I believe that it means that Crispus and everyone in his household, heard Paul, who was living next door with Titus Justus, believed what they heard and were baptized.

Honestly, it does not seem that different from how ANYONE gets saved: hear gospel, believe gospel, get baptized. From Ephesians 2:1-10, we know what God is doing behind the scenes.

 

[1an]

With respect to the title of this topic, I do not see the meaning of Acts 18:8 as being particularly mysterious. Perhaps a “thought for thought” translation like the NLT might be clearer for someone struggling with what it really means:

Acts 18 [NLT]

1 Then Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. 2 There he became acquainted with a Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently arrived from Italy with his wife, Priscilla. They had left Italy when Claudius Caesar deported all Jews from Rome. 3 Paul lived and worked with them, for they were tentmakers just as he was.
4 Each Sabbath found Paul at the synagogue, trying to convince the Jews and Greeks alike. 5 And after Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul spent all his time preaching the word. He testified to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed and insulted him, Paul shook the dust from his clothes and said, “Your blood is upon your own heads—I am innocent. From now on I will go preach to the Gentiles.”
7 Then he left and went to the home of Titius Justus, a Gentile who worshiped God and lived next door to the synagogue. 8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, and everyone in his household believed in the Lord. Many others in Corinth also heard Paul, became believers, and were baptized.​

I believe that it means that Crispus and everyone in his household, heard Paul, who was living next door with Titus Justus, believed what they heard and were baptized.

Honestly, it does not seem that different from how ANYONE gets saved: hear gospel, believe gospel, get baptized. From Ephesians 2:1-10, we know what God is doing behind the scenes.

There were two questions and you have not answered either of them. One was about water, which seems a little silly to me, what else is there apart from being baptised in the Holy Spirit, and the other was, why was he glad he did not baptise any more.

 

[readywriter]

readywriter said:-
We are to be His inheritance in heavenly places, as redeemed Israel will be His inheritance on the earth
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@BABerean2 said in reply#52
You must have missed the passage below where Peter reveals the fate of the earth.
Do you understand the words "burned up", and "dissolved"?

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Hello there,@BABerean2,

With respect, you need to look at the last verse of the portion of Scripture you quoted (2Peter 3:13), for there will be, 'a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness'.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[BABerean2]

Why do people EMPHASIZE some of what God says and ignore other parts of the same verse?

[Luke 3:16 YLT] 16 John answered, saying to all, 'I indeed with water do baptise you, but he cometh who is mightier than I, of whom I am not worthy to loose the latchet of his sandals -- he shall baptise you with the Holy Spirit and with fire;

So what does THIS part mean?
Luke 3:16 seems to me to be a prophecy of Acts 2, not a condemnation of water baptism.

It is not a condemnation of the water baptism of John the Baptist, which Christians use as a profession of faith after a person came to faith in Christ.
It declares the reality of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which occurs when a person comes to faith in Christ.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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The Word “Baptize”:


Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?


Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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