WHAT DOES ACTS 18:8 REALLY MEAN ?

[BABerean2]

Hello @BABereans2,

Thank you for responding.

Yes, Peter records what occurred in chapter 10:44-48, and it does indeed happen the other way around. Though again, two baptisms take place: water baptism and baptism with the Holy Ghost; power from on high evidenced in the form of spiritual gifts came upon the believing Gentiles, as it had on the Jews at Pentecost.

Now, we are exhorted to observe only ONE baptism: and that is the one that superseded water baptism. Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which takes place when faith enters and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ takes root in the heart of the One who has been saved by God's grace. The believer is identified with Christ, in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension to God's right hand, where we await His appearing in glory, when we too will appear with Him there. Praise God!

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers below.
Its fulfillment is found in 1 John 2:27.

Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."


Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text.


Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

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[readywriter]

The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers below.
Its fulfillment is found in 1 John 2:27.

Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Hello @BABerean2,

The believing remnant did indeed receive these new covenant blessings, and those gentiles received into the Kingdom at Acts 10, were grafted into the olive tree, which is representative of Israel's covenant privileges, and also received of the root and fatness of the olive tree, in order to goad Israel, by jealousy, into emulation. However this was only received by the believing remnant, and not Israel as a nation as prophesied in Jeremiah 31:34. So this has a fulfilment yet to come.

BABerean2 said:-
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text.

* I agree.

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

* John 14:26 was fulfilled in regard to the disciples to whom it was promised, yes.
* In 1 John 2:27: the word, 'anointing', is the same as 'unction' in verse 1 John 2:20, see 2 Corinthians 1:21. (G5545 - Chrisma - a special endowment)
* John a minister of the circumcision. One of 'them that heard Him' (Heb. 2:3-4). Whose ministry was to continue what Jesus began both to do and to teach.

* Yet again, I have to say that this was not the experience of 'all Israel', as promised through the Old Testament Prophets. It has yet to be fulfilled.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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[BABerean2]

However this was only received by the believing remnant, and not Israel as a nation as prophesied in Jeremiah 31:34. So this has a fulfilment yet to come.

You are ignoring Hebrews 8:11-12, which quotes Jeremiah 31:34 word-for-word and the verses which begin and end the passage prove the New Covenant has already been fulfilled for those who have accepted Christ.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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[readywriter]

You are ignoring Hebrews 8:11-12, which quotes Jeremiah 31:34 word-for-word and the verses which begin and end the passage prove the New Covenant has already been fulfilled for those who have accepted Christ.
Heb 8:6-12
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Because finding fault with them, He says:"BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hello BABerean2,

Hebrews 8:6-12 & Hebrews 8:11-13 is not in dispute.

BABerean2 said:-
... the verses which begin and end the passage prove the New Covenant has already been fulfilled for those who have accepted Christ.

* However, your words (above) are disputed.

* Have you seen what is described in these two passages evidenced in the believing community? Are God's laws written upon your mind and heart? Does your neighbour have no need to be taught about the Lord, because everyone does from the least to the greatest? Will their sins and their lawless deeds be remembered no more? I don't think so.

* This has a future application for the nation of Israel.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[BABerean2]

Does your neighbour have no need to be taught about the Lord,

My neighbors who are now a part of the New Covenant have no need of a teacher, based on the verse below.
Based on John 14:26, the Holy Spirit is now their teacher.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Do you have to ignore this verse to make your viewpoint work?

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[Guojing]

My neighbors who are now a part of the New Covenant have no need of a teacher, based on the verse below.
Based on John 14:26, the Holy Spirit is now their teacher.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Do you have to ignore this verse to make your viewpoint work?

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None of them ever go to any churches to learn from any pastors, watch any videos, read any Christian books to learn more about God?

 

[Eloy Craft]

In the account below the Holy Spirit was poured out, fell on, Gentiles.

Notice Peter doesn't consider that Baptism. In fact he makes it clear that they aren't because it's when they are Baptized with water, and only then, does Peter call it Baptism




Acts 10:44
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[readywriter]

My neighbors who are now a part of the New Covenant have no need of a teacher, based on the verse below.
Based on John 14:26, the Holy Spirit is now their teacher.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Do you have to ignore this verse to make your viewpoint work?

Hello @BABerean2

So you believe that this is true for all believers today, that they have received an anointing, and so they need no man to teach them?

 

[BABerean2]

None of them ever go to any churches to learn from any pastors, watch any videos, read any Christian books to learn more about God?

Sadly, some go to hear their preachers say what is written in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then try to ignore what is plainly written in the Word of God in an attempt to make their man-made Bible doctrine work.

The words of the master teacher are found below.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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[Dan Perez]

You are ignoring Hebrews 8:11-12, which quotes Jeremiah 31:34 word-for-word and the verses which begin and end the passage prove the New Covenant has already been fulfilled for those who have accepted Christ.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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And nthis verse in Heb 8:11 is true , why do we have Christian web sites ?

I believe that the NEW COVENANT has yet to be introduced and Rom 11:25 speaks to that !

As far as Heb 8:11 the text that they SHALL NOT / ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and means EPHPHATICALLY NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT teach anyone , NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

The next word THE /HO is a Definite ARTICLE and is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and is LIMITED to , every man , brother , know you the Lord .

The next Greek word SHALL KNOW / EIDO is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .

SO the book of HEBREWS is yet FUTURE and the ACTIVE VOICE , means that it is God controlling the action .

The INDICATIVE MOOD means it is a FACT .

The Last Greek word ME / ME is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN and means knowing God .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

The Ethiopian was baptized in water, after Pentecost. Jesus was baptized, he said to go into all the world and baptize to receive the gift of the holy spirit.

Baptism is done with "Water" in the name of the Triune God...these matters have long been settled, please stop trying to divide the church.

And the B O C has so many divisions , and we know that is a FACT .

Just look at what sites re saying ?

dan p

 

[Guojing]

Sadly, some go to hear their preachers say what is written in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then try to ignore what is plainly written in the Word of God in an attempt to make their man-made Bible doctrine work.

The words of the master teacher are found below.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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As usual, you avoid answering the question. Its a simple yes or no question.

 

[Guojing]

Hello @BABerean2

So you believe that this is true for all believers today, that they have received an anointing, and so they need no man to teach them?

I recently learn another lesson on rightly dividing the word of truth from this particular Hebrew passage and Colossians 1:24-29

Contrast:

• Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

versus

• Colossians 1:27-28: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

This dispensationalist teaching of Colossians 1:24-29 might interest you.

 

[BABerean2]

I recently learn another lesson on rightly dividing the word of truth from this particular Hebrew passage and Colossians 1:24-29

Contrast:

• Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

versus

• Colossians 1:27-28: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

This dispensationalist teaching of Colossians 1:24-29 might interest you.

You seem to be very confused in the difference between preaching and teaching the Gospel to unbelievers vs. those who have already been converted to Christ and are found in Hebrews 8:11, and 1 John 2:27.

What part of the verses below do you not understand?

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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[Guojing]

You seem to be very confused in the difference between preaching and teaching the Gospel to unbelievers vs. those who have already been converted to Christ and are found in Hebrews 8:11, and 1 John 2:27.

What part of the verses below do you not understand?

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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and which part of Matthew 15:24 do you not understand?

 

[BABerean2]

and which part of Matthew 15:24 do you not understand?

None, based on what Paul said below.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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[Guojing]

None, based on what Paul said below.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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If you insist.

 

[readywriter]

I recently learn another lesson on rightly dividing the word of truth from this particular Hebrew passage and Colossians 1:24-29

Contrast:

• Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

versus

• Colossians 1:27-28: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Hello @Guojing,

Forgive me, I almost missed this post.

The address on the envelope of the epistle to the HEBREWS, is sufficient to show that this epistle is Hebrew in nature and scope. Hebrews 8:11 is a quotation from Jeremiah 31:31+, which is concerning the House of Judah and the House of Israel, with which the New Covenant will be made. Jesus Christ being the Mediator of the New Covenant, the blood He shed being 'the blood of the covenant' (Hebrews 10:29).

Colossians, was written following the revelation of God, made to Paul, to whom was given a 'dispensation' to minister the truth revealed. This Paul did in those epistles written following that revelation, namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. This truth was not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, nor of the gospels, or the earlier epistles of Paul, because it had been 'hid in God' since the world began (Ephesians 3:9). Salvation, in Acts 28:28, had been 'sent to the Gentiles' (finally), no longer was salvation 'of the Jew' (John 4:22). Christ was now 'in' or 'among' the Gentiles, He is 'their hope of glory', quite independent of Israel.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[BABerean2]

If you insist.

Are you claiming you have not been grafted into Israel?

Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

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[Guojing]

Are you claiming you have not been grafted into Israel?

Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

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I am in the Body of Christ, not Israel.