Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[Carl Emerson]

The Holy Spirit told Paul to have Timothy Circumcised.

Paul also taught against every believer being circumcised.

The Holy Spirit may have asked you to keep that Sabbath.

That does not mean all should keep the Sabbath.

 

[sparow]

I do think that seeing God's will shown in scriptures and concern then to do what is according to that is being led by the Spirit of God. Not all the things attributed to the Spirit really are from him. There are no passages stating that there cannot be Sabbath observance anymore. The sheer absurdity of being against observing to remember Sabbath lies in the fact that if observing the Sabbath means someone is trying to attain a state of righteousness by their own standards and have fallen from grace, then Yeshua, Jesus our Christ, and Paul fell from grace since Luke 4:16 and Acts 17:2 says it was their custom to keep the Sabbath. All commandments from Yahweh indicate what is sin, which commandments show to not do. Faith in Christ includes repentance to turn from sin to live for Yahweh through Christ.

There are two ways of keeping the commandments; one can keep them because has too, which is not good, or one can keep them because one wants to, which is good.

 

[sparow]

The Holy Spirit told Paul to have Timothy Circumcised.

Paul also taught against every believer being circumcised.

The Holy Spirit may have asked you to keep that Sabbath.

That does not mean all should keep the Sabbath.

I do not think Paul taught against circumcision, only against the compulsion of circumcision for gentiles who wanted to remain gentile.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I do not think Paul taught against circumcision, only against the compulsion of circumcision for gentiles who wanted to remain gentile.

Yes... Paul taught against every believer being circumcised. This was the ruling of the Jerusalem council.

 

[BobRyan]

I do not think Paul taught against circumcision, only against the compulsion of circumcision for gentiles who wanted to remain gentile.

Good point - and in Timothy's case - since his mother was a Jew - he was considered to be a Jew not a gentile.

 

[Bob S]

Lets back up to Colossians 2:14.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The Ten Commandments is God-written (finger of God), the law of Moses is handwritten so right there you have your proof this is not talking about any of God's Ten Commandments. Also the Sabbath is a commandment of God.

I have seen your proof posts many times SB. Actually they were and are no proof. An ordnance as you can see below can and is a command according to our English dictionary. Moses hand wrote all of God's words to the Israelites in the book of the law. Also, God's fingers are connected to His hand, so I would say that the 10 commandments were hand written by God. God spoke the remaining commands to Moses. Are God's spoken words any less demanding than what He wrote with His hand?

noun
an authoritative rule or law; a decree or command.

something believed to have been ordained, as by a deity or destiny.
Ecclesiastical.

1. an established rite or ceremony.
2. a sacrament.
3. the communion.

This is most certainly not referring to any of the Ten Commandments.

Is the following scripture that brought death and WAS only temporary referring to the 10 commandments? Seems so obvious that Col 2:16-17 was referring to the WEEKLY Sabbath of the ministry that brought death.

2Cor3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. So there appears to be a contradiction to Col 2:14 and the Ten Commandments.

Not so SB. If you would take to heart 1Jn 3:19-24 you would recognize God's commandments for all mankind. I will once again place it before your eyes to read the real truth.

19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

So, SB, What you write is not the real truth. The real truth is believing on Jesus and loving one another as Jesus (God) commanded. The 10 commandments were transitory (temporary). They have past as being the guide for Israelites. Our eternal guide is the Holy Spirit as is seen in the above passage. I know very well what the SDA church has taught you. I too was taken in by their teachings, but as you can plainly see what they are upholding is diametrically opposed to the written Word.

 

[BobRyan]

I have seen your proof posts many times SB.

Very often I do not agree with your posts - but on that one point I do agree.

I enjoy proofs from the Bible - because I enjoy paying attention to the details.

 

[guevaraj]

Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

Brother, happy Sabbath! Yes, the Holy Spirit guides all who "share the faith of those who listened to God" to keep the seventh day of creation rescued from the human tradition of Judaism in Hebrews 3 and 4. Used is the word "rest" in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 to refer to the "rest" of God on the seventh day of creation, entered in the Promised Land from evening to evening, but not during the 40 years with Manna on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning near the Promised Land. This "rest" is God's Sabbath, restored from the incorrect human tradition that the Sabbath is a weekday when it actually falls between two weekdays in the Promised Land, because remembered is the Sabbath in the time zone of the creation week confirmed in the following passage.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Below, "another day" refers to a different day than thought for the Sabbath: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Studyman]

So, I guess you have not accepted the new covenant and are abiding in the covenant given only to the Israelites.

The New Covenant is said to also be "only" for the Israelite's. Here, let's look at how the God of the bible actually defines His Own New Covenant. He should be the Authority, Yes? We should humble ourselves to Him, Yes?

Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

So here, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ is "making a New Covenant" with Israel again. God's Word's, not mine.

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;

OK Bob, Here is the God of the Bible, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, the ONE TRUE God, according to Jesus Himself, getting ready to DEFINE for us all, exactly what HIS NEW Covenant is.

After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So then, what are God's Laws? Don't Steal, don't create images of God in the likeness of men, don't commit Adultery, Remember the Sabbath day, not to work in order to keep it Holy, etc..

So according to the Creator and Promoter of HIS OWN NEW Covenant, These Laws will be written on the hearts of HIS PEOPLE. So how is Honoring God in His Laws that HE wrote on my heart, "Not Accepting God's New Covenant"?

I'm not a fan of this world's religious franchises, including SDA, but FredVB and Sabbath Blessings are truly partakers of God's New Covenant, as HIS OWN Word's clearly show. Are we not all to be "Grafted In" to this New Covenant God made with Israel, and be "Partakers with them".

Rom. 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

God's New Covenant is Holy, Yes?

 

[pasifika]

The New Covenant is said to also be "only" for the Israelite's. Here, let's look at how the God of the bible actually defines His Own New Covenant. He should be the Authority, Yes? We should humble ourselves to Him, Yes?

Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

So here, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ is "making a New Covenant" with Israel again. God's Word's, not mine.

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;

OK Bob, Here is the God of the Bible, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, the ONE TRUE God, according to Jesus Himself, getting ready to DEFINE for us all, exactly what HIS NEW Covenant is.

After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So then, what are God's Laws? Don't Steal, don't create images of God in the likeness of men, don't commit Adultery, Remember the Sabbath day, not to work in order to keep it Holy, etc..

So according to the Creator and Promoter of HIS OWN NEW Covenant, These Laws will be written on the hearts of HIS PEOPLE. So how is Honoring God in His Laws that HE wrote on my heart, "Not Accepting God's New Covenant"?

I'm not a fan of this world's religious franchises, including SDA, but FredVB and Sabbath Blessings are truly partakers of God's New Covenant, as HIS OWN Word's clearly show. Are we not all to be "Grafted In" to this New Covenant God made with Israel, and be "Partakers with them".

Rom. 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

God's New Covenant is Holy, Yes?

Hello @Studyman, there is a covenant in which the gentiles are Not part of, Ephesians 2:11,12...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are "gentiles by birth" and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision"...

Remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenant of the promise...

 

[sparow]

Brother, happy Sabbath! Yes, the Holy Spirit guides all who "share the faith of those who listened to God" to keep the seventh day of creation rescued from the human tradition of Judaism in Hebrews 3 and 4. Used is the word "rest" in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 to refer to the "rest" of God on the seventh day of creation, entered in the Promised Land from evening to evening, but not during the 40 years with Manna on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning near the Promised Land. This "rest" is God's Sabbath, restored from the incorrect human tradition that the Sabbath is a weekday when it actually falls between two weekdays in the Promised Land, because remembered is the Sabbath in the time zone of the creation week confirmed in the following passage.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Below, "another day" refers to a different day than thought for the Sabbath: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You had me confused before; you have a composite week, Biblical time for the Sabbath, but Roman time for the REST of the week and in that sense Friday should be three quarters of a day and Sunday a day and a quarter. The High days or annual Sabbaths celebrate rest from other things instead of normal work. I believe Hebrews 4:8 refers to rest from the effects and influence of Satan (evil).

 

[guevaraj]

You had me confused before; you have a composite week, Biblical time for the Sabbath, but Roman time for the REST of the week and in that sense Friday should be three quarters of a day and Sunday a day and a quarter. The High days or annual Sabbaths celebrate rest from other things instead of normal work. I believe Hebrews 4:8 refers to rest from the effects and influence of Satan (evil).

Brother, no human traditions were used to understand the Sabbath! Hebrews 3 and 4 tells us that during the 40 years that they kept the seventh day of the week with Manna, they were not allowed to enter God's Sabbath by "oath" near the Promised Land. This shows that the Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week everywhere as Judaism assumed since Joshua and actually falls between two days of the week in the Promised Land. Below, "another day" refers to a different day than thought for the Sabbath: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[sparow]

Brother, no human traditions were used to understand the Sabbath! Hebrews 3 and 4 tells us that during the 40 years that they kept the seventh day of the week with Manna, they were not allowed to enter God's Sabbath by "oath" near the Promised Land. This shows that the Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week everywhere as Judaism assumed since Joshua and actually falls between two days of the week in the Promised Land. Below, "another day" refers to a different day than thought for the Sabbath: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You have misunderstood Hebrews; the reason they were unable to enter into rest was because of unbelief; another day refers to a future time when they will or did believe; nothing to do with which day.

 

[Bob S]

The New Covenant is said to also be "only" for the Israelite's. Here, let's look at how the God of the bible actually defines His Own New Covenant. He should be the Authority, Yes? We should humble ourselves to Him, Yes?

You know Studyman, I really do not care how Jer 31:31 is written. Jesus came to save all mankind regardless of where we came from. Jesus ended the covenant that Israel could not keep and could only cause death. 2Cor3:6-11. Even if you could be correct and the new covenant doesn't include Gentiles we have another covenant, the one given to another Gentile, Abraham. My salvation doesn't depend on what I do, it depends on what Jesus has done for me and you. I believe what is written in the Holy Writ, not what you and others tell me to believe. I don't know what you claim, I claim the promises written in scripture and1jn 3:19-24 is proof of what I believe.

 

[Studyman]

Hello @Studyman, there is a covenant in which the gentiles are Not part of, Ephesians 2:11,12...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are "gentiles by birth" and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision"...

Remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenant of the promise...

That was not God's Law as the Law and Prophet's clearly show. It was those who Call themselves "the Circumcision" who relegated even repentant Gentiles as "without God in the world". These are some of the "Commandments of Men" the corrupt Pharisees taught for Doctrines, that Jesus spoke of.. These were some of the "Commandments contained in ordinances which were against Jesus, Paul and the Faithful Gentiles. Jesus Exposed them, making a show of them openly, and Triumphed over them on the Cross.

Here is what God actually instructed..

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev. 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Is. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

The religions of this world preach that it was God's LAW which caused the Gentiles to be "aliens from the Commonwealth of Israel". But don't listen to them, because like the mainstream preachers of Jesus Time, they are lying to you.

Instead, read the Scriptures for yourself, and you will see as I have, that anyone who does the Work's of Abraham, are Abraham's Children. God is no Respecter of persons, and does not judge according to their DNA, as this would's religions try and convince you.

Remember, the self proclaimed "circumcision" of that time, "Omitted" the Weightier matters of the Law", at least according to the Jesus of the Bible.

Thanks for the heart felt reply, and I hope you value what the Scriptures actually say, more than ancient religious tradition.

 

[Studyman]

You know Studyman, I really do not care how Jer 31:31 is written.

This is true for the Pharisees as well. At least you are honest about your disdain and indifference for what the actual Scriptures teach.

 

[Bob S]

This is true for the Pharisees as well. At least you are honest about your disdain and indifference for what the actual Scriptures teach.

Disdain??? You take a segment out of a complete thought to make a derogatory claim. Real nice debating.

19 This is how we KNOW we belong to the truth........ 24 believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. 1Jn3

 

[Studyman]

Disdain??? You take a segment out of a complete thought to make a derogatory claim. Real nice debating.

19 This is how we KNOW we belong to the truth........ 24 believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. 1Jn3

I just believe I should let God define His own Covenants Bob. You are not here to debate, you are here to promote your own religious philosophy.

When Jesus quoted the Law and Prophets to expose the mainstream preachers of HIS Time, they too, disregarded the Scriptures in favor of their own religious traditions.

It's not a derogatory claim at all Bob. I posted God's OWN DEFINITION of HIS OWN NEW Covenant, and you said you don't care, and went on to promote your own definition of God's New Covenant, refusing to even engage or discuss what the scriptures actually say about it.

We have been here before many times. I just want to point out the difference between YOUR New Covenant, and the one the God of the Bible Promised.

 

[guevaraj]

You have misunderstood Hebrews; the reason they were unable to enter into rest was because of unbelief; another day refers to a future time when they will or did believe; nothing to do with which day.

Brother, God's message in Hebrews 3 and 4 cannot be misunderstood. The following questions will help you understand the message.

1. Who did God punish with an "oath"? Those whose corpses lay in the wilderness.
2. How long was God "angry" with them? The passage tells us for "forty years".
3. How did God guaranty the length of His punishment? The passage tells us by taking an "oath".
4. What does the word "rest" mean? God's rest on the seventh day of creation, ready since He made the world.
5. How did God prevent them from entering the Sabbath during the 40 years? He forced them to keep the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, where the Sabbath falls earlier from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning as stated in Genesis and repeated, with Manna, as punishment during those 40 years.

We are not compared to post-Jesus Judaism, as the King James Version mistranslated thinking "Joshua" was Jesus, when that identification is impossible before David in context of the message of Hebrews 3 and 4. God compares us to those "whose corpuses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years. The "oath" lasted "forty years" when God punished them with Manna, preventing them from entering His "rest", "even though this rest has been ready since He made the world." Forcing them with Manna to keep the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, where the Sabbath is entered earlier, from evening to evening, and not on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning. God taught us and them in the desert for 40 years how not to enter His "rest" by keeping the seventh day of the week outside the time zone of Eden, which did Joshua no good when they assumed incorrectly that the Sabbath in Jerusalem is the seventh day of the week "because they didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? And who made God angry for FORTY YEARS? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an OATH: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 3:16-19, 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[sparow]

Brother, God's message in Hebrews 3 and 4 cannot be misunderstood. The following questions will help you understand the message.

1. Who did God punish with an "oath"? Those whose corpses lay in the wilderness.
2. How long was God "angry" with them? The passage tells us for "forty years".
3. How did God guaranty the length of His punishment? The passage tells us by taking an "oath".
4. What does the word "rest" mean? God's rest on the seventh day of creation, ready since He made the world.
5. How did God prevent them from entering the Sabbath during the 40 years? He forced them to keep the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, where the Sabbath falls earlier from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning as stated in Genesis and repeated, with Manna, as punishment during those 40 years.

We are not compared to post-Jesus Judaism, as the King James Version mistranslated thinking "Joshua" was Jesus, when that identification is impossible before David in context of the message of Hebrews 3 and 4. God compares us to those "whose corpuses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years. The "oath" lasted "forty years" when God punished them with Manna, preventing them from entering His "rest", "even though this rest has been ready since He made the world." Forcing them with Manna to keep the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, where the Sabbath is entered earlier, from evening to evening, and not on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning. God taught us and them in the desert for 40 years how not to enter His "rest" by keeping the seventh day of the week outside the time zone of Eden, which did Joshua no good when they assumed incorrectly that the Sabbath in Jerusalem is the seventh day of the week "because they didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? And who made God angry for FORTY YEARS? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an OATH: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 3:16-19, 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You got no. 4 wrong. The meanings in Hebrews are very deep; you are skimming across the surface like a dispensationalist. For starters, keeping the Sabbath and entering into God's rest are not the same thing; keeping the Sabbath is a commandment, entering into God's rest is the consequence of God's judgement. In the case of Joshua entering into God's rest was to enter the promised land; in the case of Jesus, entering into God's rest is to enter into the Kingdom of God.

There is a lot of good stuff in Hebrews but also error.

God made an oath that those He was speaking to, would not enter the promised land, even Moses missed out.

In Hebrews 4:9 have you checked out the meaning of the Hebrew word rendered "rest".