Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[AV1611VET]

The book of I'm Right, You're Wrong tells me I'm right and you're wrong. It's true because it tells me its true.

Do you believe that?

If not, mind if I don't either?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You spelled "real" wrong ... it's "reel."

That was a good one, AV -- I'll give you that.

 

[AV1611VET]

That was a good one, AV -- I'll give you that.

I pray you saw my point.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I pray you saw my point.

I saw the point you were attempting to make.

As did Jim Caviezel, Willem DaFoe, Ted Neeley, Max von Sydow, and a couple dozen others I could mention.

 

[FullMoon]

Australopithecines.

Show me living ones, not just a skull. You do know that bones can be fabricated right? Even if you think there was a genocide or something, their bones should be plenty and easy to find, why are these always so rare. Similarly with the so called "dinosaurs", we should be tripping over their bones. Too many lies in this world.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Show me living ones, not just a skull. You do know that bones can be fabricated right? Even if you think there was a genocide or something, their bones should be plenty and easy to find, why are these always so rare. Similarly with the so called "dinosaurs", we should be tripping over their bones. Too many lies in this world.

If you want to be tripping over dinosaur bones, try diving in the dumpster behind the KFC.

 

[Astrid]

Show me living ones, not just a skull. You do know that bones can be fabricated right? Even if you think there was a genocide or something, their bones should be plenty and easy to find, why are these always so rare. Similarly with the so called "dinosaurs", we should be tripping over their bones. Too many lies in this world.

If you know how to fabricate a bone, you know
more than anyone else on earth.

" So called" dinosaurs...? You think they are fake?

 

[FullMoon]

Evolution (the change in allele frequencies in a population over generations) is a fact - observed and documented. The Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory - an explanation for the diversity of life. Scientific theories are well-tested, widely accepted, explanations for what we observe in the world.

For comedy go to comedians. For science go to scientists.


You may not be trying, but you are dismissive. All human endeavours are sullied by lies, including religions and their dogmas. But if you have found any 'holes' in the theory, please enlighten us.

Since you are an atheist, and I disregard the Theory of Evolution, lets think about humans in general. It is very clear that humans are much more intelligent than animals. I am very confident to say that even if you give any animal billions of years, they would never get to the point of reading, writing, making computers etc. Sure you can teach a monkey sign language, but even getting them to speak complex languages such as human languages is simply impossible, even with animals that have larger brain mass then humans. What is the evolution answer to this? There are no other animals which are close to human intelligence. Where are the talking lions, the talking bears; where are the literal code monkeys.

This is a testament to how unique humans are, and to say we have evolved from animals is nonsense. What I see in the world is humans more advanced than animals, an entire nation, and also history which confirms scripture.

Then I am told that a Theory which is "well-tested" is to be believed. One that requires millions, if not billions of years; "well-tested" over at most a few years, by scientists which are intentionally seeking alternative explanations, rather than first testing what is presented and has been known for thousands of years, in a world full of lies (check the news and you'll see).

 

[FullMoon]

If you know how to fabricate a bone, you know
more than anyone else on earth.

" So called" dinosaurs...? You think they are fake?

Yes they are.

A good video is: Dinosaurs Never Existed by Eric Dubay
https://www.bit(-)chute.com/video/8mLtj8oyiYdb/
Note: remove the "(-)" from the link.

 

[enoob57]

The book of I'm Right, You're Wrong tells me I'm right and you're wrong. It's true because it tells me its true.

It is better than your 'I came from nothing and I return to nothing' it seems you have less to offer!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes they are.

Just out of curiosity, what's your take on:

1. behemoths
2. leviathans
3. dragons
4. satyrs
5. unicorns

 

[Hans Blaster]

Since you are an atheist, and I disregard the Theory of Evolution, lets think about humans in general. It is very clear that humans are much more intelligent than animals. I am very confident to say that even if you give any animal billions of years, they would never get to the point of reading, writing, making computers etc. Sure you can teach a monkey sign language, but even getting them to speak complex languages such as human languages is simply impossible, even with animals that have larger brain mass then humans. What is the evolution answer to this? There are no other animals which are close to human intelligence. Where are the talking lions, the talking bears; where are the literal code monkeys.

This is a testament to how unique humans are, and to say we have evolved from animals is nonsense. What I see in the world is humans more advanced than animals, an entire nation, and also history which confirms scripture.

Then I am told that a Theory which is "well-tested" is to be believed. One that requires millions, if not billions of years; "well-tested" over at most a few years, by scientists which are intentionally seeking alternative explanations, rather than first testing what is presented and has been known for thousands of years, in a world full of lies (check the news and you'll see).

Welcome new member. I don't have time for a full exposition on your post, but I will note a few fundamental misunderstandings:

1. Humans *are* animals. Humans meet every requirement you could name for being "an animal".

2. I think you greatly overestimate the differences between humans and other animals, especially other primates.

Perhaps more later.

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Humans *are* animals. Humans meet every requirement you could name for being "an animal".

Less, of course, anything dropped on principle that would differentiate us from them: like souls and spirits, made in the image of God, and/or anything else that is firewalled by science.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Less, of course, anything dropped on principle that would differentiate us from them: like souls and spirits, made in the image of God, and/or anything else that is firewalled by science.

Those things aren't scientific. You know that.

But even if they were, humans would just "jumped-up animals" injected with "souls" by "god". Humans as animals (with souls) works just fine in most Christian understandings including the tradition I came from.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is better than your 'I came from nothing and I return to nothing' it seems you have less to offer!

Remind us again what you offer?

 

[AV1611VET]

Those things aren't scientific.

I know.

Unlike animals, we have things in us that aren't scientific.

You know that.

Affirmative.

But even if they were, humans would just "jumped-up animals" injected with "souls" by "god".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason we're considered animals is because scientists have determined that we came from them, is that correct?

Humans as animals (with souls) works just fine in most Christian understandings including the tradition I came from.

Earth at the center of the universe did too at one time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I know.

Unlike animals, we have things in us that aren't scientific.

Care to share them with the rest of the class?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason we're considered animals is because scientists have determined that we came from them, is that correct?

No. The reason we're considered animals is that we share traits with them.

Consider yourself corrected.

Earth at the center of the universe did too at one time.

And the Church didn't give that one up without a fight. But if they could eventually see reason, so can you... In theory.

 

[ottawak]

I know.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason we're considered animals is because scientists have determined that we came from them, is that correct?

No, it's because of the obvious physical similarities.

 

[AV1611VET]

Care to share them with the rest of the class?

The rest of the class doesn't need to have it shared to them: they read Post 513.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason we're considered animals is because scientists have determined that we came from them, is that correct?

That's one way, but a much better way is to look at the characteristics from the

• large scale characteristics used to classify animals and sub-groups of animals (for example all mammals have hair and produce milk for their young, just like humans. No reptiles [animals] or plants [not animals] do either.) to the...
  
• medium scale characteristics, such as tissues (look at various tissue types from humans and other animals under a microscope), to the...
• chemical markers. (For example, the ABO and RH blood type systems are present in humans, all other apes, and other old world monkeys, but not plants.)

There is no rational scheme to classify gorillas, tigers, cane toads, and mosquitoes as animals that doesn't also classify humans as animals as well. Carl Linnaeus knew this more that 250 years ago when he classified humans with the apes.

Earth at the center of the universe did too at one time.

Just another example of humanity's arrogance in thinking themselves special.