Evolution happens

[Hans Blaster]

I think I'll make it into a challenge thread.

Oh, brother.

 

[Yttrium]

How can one disprove something that's never been proven?

??

You don't normally disprove something that's been proven. Something is either proven, disproven, or remains undetermined.

Statement: There's a box under my bed.

Looks under the bed and finds a box.
Proven!

Looks under the bed and there is no box.
Disproven!

Can't see under the bed.
Undetermined!

Macroevolution hasn't been proven or disproven by science. Proving it can't really be done. You could disprove it by, for example, finding something in the DNA that prevents change past a certain limit.

 

[YeshuaFan]

What encompasses "macro evolution" in your understanding?

inter species change

 

[Hans Blaster]

inter species change

OK, that's where I usually place it as well. I just wanted to check.

THere are many examples of new species evolving from other extant species. My personal favorite is the Italian wall lizard, but there are others all within modern times.

 

[YeshuaFan]

OK, that's where I usually place it as well. I just wanted to check.

THere are many examples of new species evolving from other extant species. My personal favorite is the Italian wall lizard, but there are others all within modern times.

I know that a species evolves and changes and adapts, see all of the various dogs, but again, no dog ever shone to have come from cat parents!

 

[AV1611VET]

I know that a species evolves and changes and adapts, see all of the various dogs, but again, no dog ever shone to have come from cat parents!

If you're talking about domestic dogs, those are called "breeds" and not "species."

But if you're talking about wolves, coyotes, domestic dogs, and the dingo, then that's different.

But either way, you're right ... no dog has ever been shown to have come from cat parents.

 

[YeshuaFan]

If you're talking about domestic dogs, those are called "breeds" and not "species."

But if you're talking about wolves, coyotes, domestic dogs, and the dingo, then that's different.

But either way, you're right ... no dog has ever been shown to have come from cat parents.

There is no mechanism in evolution to cause a species change, as Dna cannot be altered out in nature by natural means, and Humans are not merely evolved Hominids, as we are made in very image of God!

 

[Astrid]

I know that a species evolves and changes and adapts, see all of the various dogs, but again, no dog ever shone to have come from cat parents!

Of course not. So why bring it up?
You do agree that in the past
there were no cats or dogs, horses, pigeons etc?

None of those existed in dinosaur days not were
there dinosaurs in trilobite days...right?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Of course not. So why bring it up?
You do agree that in the past
there were no cats or dogs, horses, pigeons etc?

None of those existed in dinosaur days not were
there dinosaurs in trilobite days...right?

I do not buy into hundreds of millions of years of life evolving here!

 

[Astrid]

There is no mechanism in evolution to cause a species change, as Dna cannot be altered out in nature by natural means, and Humans are not merely evolved Hominids, as we are made in very image of God!

Your DNA has dozens of its own mutations

 

[Yttrium]

I know that a species evolves and changes and adapts, see all of the various dogs, but again, no dog ever shone to have come from cat parents!

You keep insisting that evolution needs to provide something that would falsify it. You know that, right?

You don't suddenly jump from one species to another. It's a gradual process of accumulating small changes.

 

[Astrid]

I do not buy into hundreds of millions of years of life evolving here!

Notice i deleted the millions of years?
Its not in what you quoted
Could you respond to what i did say?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I know that a species evolves and changes and adapts, see all of the various dogs, but again, no dog ever shone to have come from cat parents!

I thought you said you understood "macro-evolution" to be one species from another species.

Cat-to-dog is *way* above the species level. There are many species of each cats and dogs. Many genus as well. Having a jaguar evolve into a wolf is not something evolutionary theory proposes.

 

[YeshuaFan]

I thought you said you understood "macro-evolution" to be one species from another species.

Cat-to-dog is *way* above the species level. There are many species of each cats and dogs. Many genus as well. Having a jaguar evolve into a wolf is not something evolutionary theory proposes.

I might be mixing my terms on this, but do not see different brreds of dogs and cats as that different, as all still in dog or cat families, but do see no evidence that a real species changed in history, such as a dinosaur became a bird, or a cow a whale!

 

[Hans Blaster]

I might be mixing my terms on this, but do not see different brreds of dogs and cats as that different, as all still in dog or cat families, but do see no evidence that a real species changed in history, such as a dinosaur became a bird, or a cow a whale!

I used "wolf" and "jaguar" very intentionally so you wouldn't think I was talking about breeds like "corgis" or "beagles". Wolves are (several) species of canines among many such species (others include foxes, coyotes, hyenas). Likewise, jaguars are one of many species of felines (others include lions, civets, tigers). These are not "breeds" of canines or felines.

Are you changing your definition of "macro-evolution" to be at much higher in the taxonomy at the "family" (all cats, all dogs) level, or so?

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no mechanism in evolution to cause a species change, as Dna cannot be altered out in nature by natural means,

While I do believe God created both wolves and the domestic dog at the same time, I also believe new species of animals have arrived since the universe was created in 4004 BC.

But I absolutely draw the line at the genus level, as I think the "kind" mentioned in Genesis 1 is what scientists call "genus" today.

... and Humans are not merely evolved Hominids, as we are made in very image of God!

Amen!

 

[Astrid]

I might be mixing my terms on this, but do not see different brreds of dogs and cats as that different, as all still in dog or cat families, but do see no evidence that a real species changed in history, such as a dinosaur became a bird, or a cow a whale!

Of course you dont see if you dont look and know nothing
of the subject.
Cow to whale is just silly.

Dinosaur to bird?

Some dinosaurs were much smallervthan some birds.

A lot of dinosaurs that obviously could not fly had- feathers.

There are fossils of creatures quite unlike any today.
Wings, with feathers, quite obviously able to fly.
But, with teeth, a long lizardlike tail, " fingers" with claws.

You wont see if you dont look.

Did you look at your error about DNA changing?

 

[AV1611VET]

You keep insisting that evolution needs to provide something that would falsify it.

That's like saying Batman needs to provide something that shows he never existed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I do not buy into hundreds of millions of years of life evolving here!

We have lots of dead things in rocks that are hundreds of millions of years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

None of those existed in dinosaur days not were
there dinosaurs in trilobite days...right?

There were dinosaurs on the Ark with Noah.

Along with ravens and doves.

How'd that happen!?