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Evolution has no proof

Some reason to just repeat what i said?
Does "genesis" have proof?
Or disproof.
You cannot disprove evolution. Maybe some day,
at present no.

The theory of evolution, like the rest of science,
works with evidence and probabilities.

Evolution does pretty well on those two, genesis would
get a zero if there were not so much against it, earning it a
minus.
 
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You cannot disprove evolution.
That is correct.

Just like you can't liberate Jerusalem from the Gentiles.

That is a task reserved for Jesus Christ, when He comes back.
 
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One does have to act pretty silly to claim evidence against ToE.
"Peculiar"

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
 
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Jesus, God Incarnate, aLREADY DISPROVED IT!

Nope. But following your claim, wed find that its the other way around,
the evidence for it being so liberally strewn about.

Funny position to be in, refusing to look and claiming to
know better than the deity you worship.
 
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According to them, there have been countless cat-dog remains found strewn all throughout history.

Haven't you heard? :sorry:
Coo, that's news to me... Care to provide a link or reference to a scientist claiming that, "there have been countless cat-dog remains found strewn all throughout history" ?

I thought not.
 
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Where has macro evolution ever happened?
Ever since life started.

An intro to remedial biology question is hardly
disproof of evolution.
But its a sign of someone in way over their head.
 
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According to them, there have been countless cat-dog remains found strewn all throughout history.

Haven't you heard? :sorry:

Both cats and dog are part of the Carnivora order and the common ancestor would have existed before the distinct traits we call feline or canine developed, so it has never been an assertion that something like a modern cat rabidly developed into a modern dog.

Aside from the underlying structural patterns in cats and dogs that indicate a distant relationship the best evidence is the pattern of genetics.

Another good example of this kind of thing is the Tasmanian wolf, Thylacine.

coyotevstasmanianwolf.jpg


You can see here that while its shape, size and ecological niche was pretty similar to a coyote if you examine its genetics or bone structure its much more similar to a kangaroo than it is to a wolf.

(In fact a wolf is more similar to a human genetically than it is to a Thylacine).

Evolution has an explanation for these patterns... I have not seen a consistent or coherent alternative.

Are you sure there is a distinction between an ' alive"
chemical or its reactions, and one that is not?

That's one of the problems with the discussions of the beginning of life... there really isn't a clear border. At the smallest scale the chemistry of life is identical to the chemistry of non life, it's the greater pattern that's interesting.

Evolution has no proof

Proof in the mathematical or philosophical sense? No.

Proof in the "beyond reasonable doubt" sense? It absolutely has proof.

Jesus, God Incarnate, aLREADY DISPROVED IT!

How?

You should know that sincere Christians disagree about many details of your religion. One of those disagreements is with how poetic and allegorical the Book of Genesis is.


Where has macro evolution ever happened?

The easiest to quickly visually demonstrate and most significant to the YEC narrative is the variation of primates from a common chimp like ancestor to modern chimps, modern humans and a whole mess of extinct variations.

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The easiest to quickly visually demonstrate and most significant to the YEC narrative is the variation of primates from a common chimp like ancestor to modern chimps, modern humans and a whole mess of extinct variations.
With the exception of A in that transition chart, which is a chimpanzee, all those others are human beings.

(Or what you would call "Homo sapiens".)
 
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How can one disprove something that's never been proven?
It's called falsification. The principle is based on the 'black swan' idea, which is that even if all the swans you've ever seen have been white, and everybody you know has only ever seen white swans, it never proves that all swans are white. It only takes one black swan to disprove the theory that all swans are white.

Most scientific theories are like that. They're well-tested explanations that explain and predict what has been observed to date, but no matter how many observations we make that are consistent with the theory, it isn't proved, and it only takes a single observation that is not consistent with the theory to disprove it.

That's the principle. In practice, we can't be completely certain of the observations either, due to mistakes, failures of measuring equipment, etc. So, in practice, it would probably take a number of independent observations done in different ways to confirm that the theory really is wrong.
 
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It only takes one black swan to disprove the theory that all swans are white.
And what happens to that theory? it has to change back once that black swan dies, doesn't it?

Theory: All swans are white.
Disproven: Black swan found.
New Theory: All swans were white.
Swan Dies: All swans are white [again].
 
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And what happens to that theory? it has to change back once that black swan dies, doesn't it?

Theory: All swans are white.
Disproven: Black swan found.
New Theory: All swans were white.
Swan Dies: All swans are white [again].
Probably not. Finding one black swan greatly increases the probability that there are more to be found.

But either way, there's still no proof. You can only have a proof of that kind if you limit its domain of applicability to what you can prove. For example, take the swan enclosure at the zoo. You can say, "All swans are white - in the zoo enclosure" and prove it by showing that there are only white swans and no black swans in the zoo enclosure.
 
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Probably not. Finding one black swan greatly increases the probability that there are more to be found.

But either way, there's still no proof.
I think I'll make it into a challenge thread. ;)
 
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