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In previous OPs I and other new covenant Christians have been deemed as being lawless because we do not conform to their belief systems of having to keep ritual commands of the Sinai covenant. I submit the following as a rebuttal to their claim. Telling others they are lawless is a real slam unless it can be proven. Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

Paul wrote a lot about the Laws of the Sinai covenant and how they related to Jews and Gentiles. His writings have been a great help in how I am to relate to the laws of the covenant given to Israel. Are those who believe I have to observe the Sabbath and those who go even further and claim I have to observe the feast days of the Law correct in telling me I am lawless unless I do the same? Well, I am going to let Paul answer that for me. After all, he was Jesus ambassador to all mankind. His letters to the different churches are just as relevant to churches today as they were to the early Christian churches.
Gal 5:
Freedom in Christ Comments in parenthesis and bolded statements are mine.

1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. (from the old covenant law) Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. ( Love is the command that Jesus gave for us to keep. Jn 15:10 If I do what Jesus commanded how can anyone refer that I am lawless?)

7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

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13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. (free from the old covenant law) But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” ( Isn't that telling me I am not subject to the ritual demands of the Sinai covenant laws when I obey Jesus command to love?) 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. (Doesn't that mean when some tells me I am lawless that they are trying to bite and devour me?)

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (old covenant law)

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

For those who put their faith in the teachings of the SDA church's believe I cannot be justified unless I keep the Sabbath that was given to Israel, how do you reconcile that with Paul's words to the Galatian church. How do you compare your prophet's claim that unless I keep the Sabbath of the yoke of slavery, as Paul described the Law, I will loose my eternal inheritance with what you just read from the words of Paul? Where is your ability to reconcile that I am lawless after reading Paul's words?

Sin is transgression of law .... so what law? Obviously there is sin in the world ... so there is law .... else we would not know what sin is.

SDA does not teach justification by keeping the law .... they teach justification by faith.

Galatians 2:16
know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

The work of the Holy Spirit (not ours) helps us overcome sin and sin is transgression of the law (what law?).

Salvation is the beginning of the Christian life. After a person turns from their sins (repents from transgressing the law), and accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior, they have now entered into a new adventure and a Spirit-filled existence.

It is also the beginning of a process known as sanctification. Once the Holy Spirit becomes the guiding force for a believer, it begins to convict and transform the individual. This process of change is known as sanctification. Through sanctification, God makes someone more holy, less sinful, and more prepared to spend eternity in Heaven. Sanctification continues throughout our earthly life and is done by the Holy Spirit working in the believer to change their thinking .... when our thinking is changed our actions will change as well.

so ... if there is sin there is law ... so what law?
 
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Either are any other commands of the 10. The "Law" incorporates every law that God gave to Israel.
Well that is not true. The scripture context will determine what laws we are talking about. For example Acts of the Apostles 15:1-22 is talking in context about the law of "circumcision" as a requirement for the salvation of new covenant gentile believers. Then we have Paul in Romans 13:8-10 showing that the new and old covenant law of loving our neighbor as ourselves is simply a way of summing up obedience to Gods' 10 commandments. Then we have Hebrews 7 which is talking about the need for a change in the law of the Priesthood because Jesus was not of the tribe of Levi but of the tribe of Judah. Then we have Paul in Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8, Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 10 talking about the shadow laws of remission of sins and the earthly Sanctuary laws and Priesthood pointing to the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man and to Jesus as Gods' true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and Jesus as our true great high Priest who now ministers on our behalf based on better promises. Then we have James John and Paul who all define sin as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments of which God's 4th commandment Sabbath is one of them *Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. You may want to consider scripture context here as God's Word makes it very clear what laws it is referring to. You may also want to consider the new covenant scriptures that show that God's Israel is not longer only those born of the flesh but now include all those who are born of the Spirit to believe and follow what God's Word says and we are all now one in Christ (see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29) The name "Israel" is only a name given by God to His people who are all those who by faith believe and follow what Gods Word says and is not covenant dependent.

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All of that was originally from the Torah in Leviticus and Deuteronomy...
Good point. Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18 = Matthew 22:36-40 which is summing up obedience to God's 10 commandments from the heart *Romans 13:8-10.
 
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In previous OPs I and other new covenant Christians have been deemed as being lawless because we do not conform to their belief systems of having to keep ritual commands of the Sinai covenant. I submit the following as a rebuttal to their claim. Telling others they are lawless is a real slam unless it can be proven. Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

Paul wrote a lot about the Laws of the Sinai covenant and how they related to Jews and Gentiles. His writings have been a great help in how I am to relate to the laws of the covenant given to Israel. Are those who believe I have to observe the Sabbath and those who go even further and claim I have to observe the feast days of the Law correct in telling me I am lawless unless I do the same? Well, I am going to let Paul answer that for me. After all, he was Jesus ambassador to all mankind. His letters to the different churches are just as relevant to churches today as they were to the early Christian churches.
Gal 5:
Freedom in Christ Comments in parenthesis and bolded statements are mine.

1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. (from the old covenant law) Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. ( Love is the command that Jesus gave for us to keep. Jn 15:10 If I do what Jesus commanded how can anyone refer that I am lawless?)

7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

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13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. (free from the old covenant law) But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” ( Isn't that telling me I am not subject to the ritual demands of the Sinai covenant laws when I obey Jesus command to love?) 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. (Doesn't that mean when some tells me I am lawless that they are trying to bite and devour me?)

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (old covenant law)

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

For those who put their faith in the teachings of the SDA church's believe I cannot be justified unless I keep the Sabbath that was given to Israel, how do you reconcile that with Paul's words to the Galatian church. How do you compare your prophet's claim that unless I keep the Sabbath of the yoke of slavery, as Paul described the Law, I will loose my eternal inheritance with what you just read from the words of Paul? Where is your ability to reconcile that I am lawless after reading Paul's words?

Bob the term "God's Word does not teach "lawlessness" simply means without law. It has been used because you and some others teach that Gods' 10 commandments have been abolished which is not biblical or supported in the scriptures. Nothing more and nothing less. It is a true statement. Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness. According to the new covenant promise of Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 if we have been born again into Gods' new covenant promise through faith and been given a new heart to love we obey what Gods' Word says not disobey what God's Word says.

This is what Jesus is talking about when he says after quoting the old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 "on these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agreeing with Jesus demonstrates the same thing when he shows us that if we truly love our neighbor as our self we will by obedient to those laws in Gods' 10 commandments that show us how we are to love our fellow man in Romans 13:8-10. James shows the same thing as Jesus and Paul when he says that if we show partiality in love to our fellow man it is the same as showing partiality in keeping God's 10 commandments and we will stand guilty before God of sin by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments. Finally John is also in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he defines love from the heart as obeying God's commandments in 1 John 5:2-3. So if your teaching lawlessness (without law or Gods' law is abolished) it is an unbiblical teaching because the new covenant specifically states that sin is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says in James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23.

The purpose of God's law in both the old and the new covenant has the same role and that is to give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 7:7) and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and be made free to walk in His Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:4; through faith *Romans 3:31. Those who are born again according to the scriptures do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing what Gods Word says. The purpose of God's law therefore is to simply give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. God's 10 commandments are the standard of righteousness and moral right doing. If we break them we stand under the law guilty before God of sin *Romans 3:19-20. God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law)

No one therefore walks in God's Spirit by being disobedient to what Gods' Word says because according to the scriptures, in Acts of the Apostles 5:32 God only gives His Spirit to those who obey him. No one therefore can claim to love God or their fellow man therefore by breaking God's 10 commandments when obedience to God's 10 commandments is the fruit of love *Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-4 and no one can claim to know God by breaking his commandments *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10. This is because those who have been born again to love do not practice sin (1 John 3:4) and are obedient to Gods' law by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Anything else according to James is simply the dead faith of devils *James 2:13-26.

Take Care.
 
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There is no reason Biblically that the Sabbath was given the day after creation. All that is recorded is that God made the day after creation Holy and He rested. It has no reference to days beyond that one day. Anyone is adding to scripture when they try to tell us differently. All we are privy to is the Sabbath initiated after Israel crossed the Red Sea. We all know why those telling us we have to observe Sabbath try to make it sound like it started at creation. That would mean that Gentiles were celebrating Israel's freedom from slavery, Deut5, in Egypt hundreds of years before it happened. So much for that theory.
15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
yes Sabbath instituted just to national Israel in the Mosaic law, as a sign of their Covenant to Yahweh!
 
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yes Sabbath instituted just to national Israel in the Mosaic law, as a sign of their Covenant to Yahweh!
According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind. God made the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creation week where he rested on the seventh day and blessed the "seventh day" as a memorial of creation. There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind just like there was no Israel when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *see Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27. You may want to also consider that the name "Israel" is a name given by God to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says and is not covenant dependent because it was given to Gods people before the old and the new covenant were given. In the new covenant for example God's Israel is no longer only those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but also include all believers who have been born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise (see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29). All of Gods' Word therefore is for all of Gods' Israel who are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word through faith.

Take Care.
 
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Sorry friend, there were only six days of creation. God rested on the day after all creation. I hope this helps.

Sorry? What is your point? LOL! 6 days He created and on the 7th He rested...
 
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yes Sabbath instituted just to national Israel in the Mosaic law, as a sign of their Covenant to Yahweh!

Yeshua did not say that the Sabbath was made for Jews...
 
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Circumcision is not one of the Ten Commandments; the Sabbath commandment is from the foundation of Creation before sin. Genesis 2:1-3

There is about 5 chapters on the change in law for circumcision, which is again not one of the Ten Commandments. The Pharisees were spying on Jesus to see if He would break the Sabbath commandment, the fact there is silence on any change to one of God's commandments in scriptures, especially the Holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 is the biggest proof there is no change to the Sabbath commandment, it would have been an uproar in scriptures, not silence. Plus, we have these scriptures Matthew 24:20, Luke 23:56, Isaiah 66:23. The Sabbath is an eternal covenant and remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9-10 just like the other 9 commandments. Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14
Circumcision predates the 10 and is part foundation for the law. Moses was nerely put to death for not following it prior to the exodus. This is a commandment with an existing history that the Israelites knew and it is a signed covenant as well as an everlasting covenant starting with Abraham with a far longer history then the Sabbath law. Sabbath is law beginning with Exodus but circumcision is law in Genesis. If the 7th day foreshadows the Sabbath law does not Adam foreshadow circumcision? There is still a logic problem and it seems the only reason why Sabbath is held so high is only because of the 10 despite no such voiced value in the NT.
 
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Circumcision predates the 10 and is part foundation for the law. Moses was nerely put to death for not following it prior to the exodus. This is a commandment with an existing history that the Israelites knew and it is a signed covenant as well as an everlasting covenant starting with Abraham with a far longer history then the Sabbath law. Sabbath is law beginning with Exodus but circumcision is law in Genesis. If the 7th day foreshadows the Sabbath law does not Adam foreshadow circumcision? There is still a logic problem and it seems the only reason why Sabbath is held so high is only because of the 10 despite no such voiced value in the NT.
The Sabbath came from the very beginning before sin. Genesis 2:1-3. The Sabbath is part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered. Circumcision was added after sin and is not part of the Ten Commandments. You pretty much repeated yourself from your previous posts which has been addressed here Are NC Christians Lawless like Sabbath observers Claim?

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In previous OPs I and other new covenant Christians have been deemed as being lawless because we do not conform to their belief systems of having to keep ritual commands of the Sinai covenant. I submit the following as a rebuttal to their claim. Telling others they are lawless is a real slam unless it can be proven. Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

Paul wrote a lot about the Laws of the Sinai covenant and how they related to Jews and Gentiles. His writings have been a great help in how I am to relate to the laws of the covenant given to Israel. Are those who believe I have to observe the Sabbath and those who go even further and claim I have to observe the feast days of the Law correct in telling me I am lawless unless I do the same? Well, I am going to let Paul answer that for me. After all, he was Jesus ambassador to all mankind. His letters to the different churches are just as relevant to churches today as they were to the early Christian churches.
Gal 5:
Freedom in Christ Comments in parenthesis and bolded statements are mine.

1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. (from the old covenant law) Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. ( Love is the command that Jesus gave for us to keep. Jn 15:10 If I do what Jesus commanded how can anyone refer that I am lawless?)

7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

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13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. (free from the old covenant law) But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” ( Isn't that telling me I am not subject to the ritual demands of the Sinai covenant laws when I obey Jesus command to love?) 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. (Doesn't that mean when some tells me I am lawless that they are trying to bite and devour me?)

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (old covenant law)

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

For those who put their faith in the teachings of the SDA church's believe I cannot be justified unless I keep the Sabbath that was given to Israel, how do you reconcile that with Paul's words to the Galatian church. How do you compare your prophet's claim that unless I keep the Sabbath of the yoke of slavery, as Paul described the Law, I will loose my eternal inheritance with what you just read from the words of Paul? Where is your ability to reconcile that I am lawless after reading Paul's words?



27 You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


The acts of the flesh are occasionally visible. But mostly invisible to others.
 
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The Sabbath came from the very beginning before sin. Genesis 2:1-3. The Sabbath is part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered. Circumcision was added after sin and is not part of the Ten Commandments. You pretty much repeated yourself from your previous posts which has been addressed here Are NC Christians Lawless like Sabbath observers Claim?
so your reasoning why the logic behind the laws/covenants governing circumcision does not apply to the sabbath is because the sabbath is better? I agree the sabbath is more important (not the law but what it points to) but how does that exempt it from the logic Paul is using with the Galatians with circumcision (or broadly with the law as is his explicit language)? if anything it is more worthy of it.

Paul teaches us circumcision in the flesh is nothing which is pretty hard language considering it is an everlasting signed covenant made between Abraham and God for generations to come (Gen 17). he says in 1 Cor 7:19 "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts" the language here seems confusing because circumcision is part of God's commandments. When Paul used this he did not mean the Abrahamic covenant which circumcision is its signed counterpart. So did he mean the Mosaic covenant to which the Sabbath is its signed counterpart? You say yes under the general sentiment the sabbath is more important but that's not really a reason because asking which is more important was not the question.

The physical acts of cutting flesh or observing physical rest are participating in these signed agreements and declaring you're becoming a part of that system that governs it. Paul cites circumcision because it is a signed covenant that is inclusive of all the law because it is the foundation of the mosaic law itself and the Jewish people, a sign of being part of that system. If you cut the flesh in this way you are declaring you are part of this system and governed by it no different than taking vows at a wedding. The same is with Sabbath because Sabbath is a signed covenant (that is inclusive of the Abrahamic covenant) and if you physically obverse sabbath by looking to that covenant you're participating in that signed agreement like marrying into it and are a part of the system that governs it. that's the point Paul is making in Galatians (and every other letter he writes before and after)

Circumcision and Sabbath are both signed covenants and both everlasting for all generations they are not isolated commands. Explicit participation in its observance is declaring governance by the whole thing and that's the point Paul is making. For whatever reason, the Galatians were circumcising themselves and Paul calls this out saying don't you understand what you're declaring when you do this since it's a signed covenant? Sabbath is the same because it is a signed covenant too and when we look to the law to define it we come under the law. Signed covenants point to the whole covenant not just its named part so you just can't say I've isolated the Sabbath from the rest of the law because it doesn't work that way as Sabbath is the poster law of the Moasic law. If you are required to keep it you are required to keep the whole thing and you cannot separate it.
 
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of course, the Edenic law but not the Mosaic law. the 7th day predates the Sabbath law.

Do you think God just woke up one day and invented the laws on Sinai? It was a "SIGN" at Sinai...
 
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so your reasoning why the logic behind the laws/covenants governing circumcision does not apply to the sabbath is because the sabbath is better?
Do you know what the "shadow law" of circumcision represents and why God gave His people the sign of circumcision? Was circumcision given before sin or after sin and what was it's purpose? What about the creation Sabbath that God blessed and made a holy day for all mankind that is linked directly into the seventh day of the creation week on a continuous eternal weekly cycle? When was it made before sin or after mankind sinned and what is it's purpose? Which one, circumcision or Gods "seventh day" creation Sabbath is one of Gods' 10 commandments spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone? Do you know why all these questions are important to the discussion? Why are you trying to compare the "shadows" with the eternal?

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The Sabbath was the sign...


Exodus 31:13
Exodus 31:16-17
Ezekiel 20:20
Signs point to something else, they are not the destination, this is inherit in the concept of a sign. The Sabbath law was the sign. It is the act of observing the Sabbath that is specifically the signed covenant. Ex 31 spells out all the requirements.

Just as circumcision in the flesh is the signed Abrahamic covenant we know it to mean something more so we don't look to the flesh we look to what it points to. Physical observance of the Sabbath as articulated in Ex 31 is the signed mosaic covenant and in the same way it points to something greater and in the same way we should have our eyes fixed on what it points to not the sign.
 
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