Without goading, it's now 2022. What timetables proved incorrect?

[Douggg]

I did a contribution, you did not.

Why should I do research about what JW thought? You are not making any sense.

You have made zero contribution. Make a post about a failed prophecy time table and explain why it is a failed prophecy time table.

 

[trophy33]

You have made zero contribution. Make a post about a failed prophecy time table and explain why it is a failed prophecy time table.

I am not your slave to obey your commands. Do it yourself, if you want it.

 

[Douggg]

I am not your slave to obey your commands. Do it yourself, if you want it.

I have already made my contribution in my post #5.

You have not made any contribution.

 

[trophy33]

I have already made my contribution in my post #5.

You have not made any contribution.

Wrong. I made a contribution (for example) in the post #17 and then Keras and you began to argue with me.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong. I made contribution (for example) in the post #17 and then Keras and you began to argue with me.

You did not name any specific failed time table in that post #17. And why it was a failed time table.

In the thread title...

What timetables proved incorrect?

 

[trophy33]

You did not name any specific failed time table in that post #17. And why it was a failed time table.

The OP contains more points, its not just about posting timetables.

 

[Douggg]

The OP contains more questions, not just about posting timetables.

Yes, but the question about losing faith was tied to failed time tables.

 

[trophy33]

Yes, but the question about losing faith was tied to failed time tables.

But not to any specific one.

 

[Douggg]

So?

So make a contribution to the topic of the thread - by making a post about some specific failed time table and why it failed.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I have already made my contribution in my post #5.

You have not made any contribution.

Not really, you pointed to a 2011 prediction but didn't specify who said it, you just went into a speel about your own prophecy.

As a beside, it was Harold Camping who predicted 2011, and he predicted a total of 3 dates. His first prediction was on September 6, 1994, then he revised that date when it didn't happen to May 21, 2011, then when that one didn't occur he changed it yet again to October 21 of that same year.

He finally gave up, realizing he was just wrong, and resigned from ministry.

But for this information I had to use Google.

 

[ChristServant]

And what do we do with the knowledge that yet more timetables based on a future-schedule reading of Revelation have proved wrong? Yet again? How passionate were the people promoting these timetables? How utterly certain?

To your knowledge, has anyone lost their faith over this?

Revelation is never wrong or will ever be proved wrong, it's always man in err of scripture. This is clear if read as is and not reading into it any of man's own thoughts or ideologies.

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

 

[trophy33]

So make a contribution to the topic of the thread - by making a post about some specific failed time table and why it failed.

I did a contribution in the way I wanted. You do it in the way you want.

 

[Douggg]

Not really, you pointed to a 2011 prediction but didn't specify who said it, you just went into a speel about your own prophecy.

There were many back in that day. Such as Jack Van Impe.

 

[Douggg]

As a beside, it was Harold Camping who predicted 2011, and he predicted a total of 3 dates. His first prediction was on September 6, 1994, then he revised that date when it didn't happen to May 21, 2011, then when that one didn't occur he changed it yet again to October 21 of that same year.

He finally gave up, realizing he was just wrong, and resigned from ministry.

But for this information I had to use Google.

okay, that is an example of a failed time table.

I looked him up on the internet, and found that he died in 2013.

 

[Douggg]

Jehovah Witnesses, the governing body, had set a time table for Armageddon to begin in 1934. A failed time table, because it did not happen.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I for one am not disturbed by failed time tables of those who are honestly seeking to pinpoint a date for Christ's next coming (aside from those who are endeavoring to make a profit by their speculations). This is a phenomenon unique to Christianity as opposed to all other religions. Does it really matter if many have made embarrassingly wrong predictions? This only gives testimony to the believers' innate desires to finally be in the presence of the One who loved them and gave His life for them. No other religion gives this same assurance.

Christians alone have the promise of Christ's bodily return to this earth for them. It is a precious promise of our resurrection and union with our Creator. Why should we fault any believer who longs for that day and wishes to find out when to expect it? There is absolutely no command in scripture for us to avoid doing this. Not even in the Mark 13:32 verse saying "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father". That present tense statement was true for the exact time when Christ spoke those words during His earthly ministry, but it was a present tense ignorance that had already been dispelled by the time Paul was writing 1 Thessalonians 5:4 around 54 AD. And Christ gave testimony to John in Revelation that He was giving him the signs of that day, so Christ the Son did not remain ignorant of that day either.

The Thessalonian saints at that time were well aware of when "That day" would arrive, and the signs preceding it. So why should any believer be faulted today for studying this same issue? No one despises a young couple who sets a date for their wedding. We believers have the promise of a marriage supper celebrated with Christ, the church's own bridegroom. Should we be forbidden or consider it a sin to think about the date He has selected for that wedding supper?

 

[DavidPT]

I don't understand the relevance of this thread, as to why these things even matter? Jesus predicted numerous things, as did OT prophets, except I don't recall any of them ever disclosing in advance as to what specific date they are to be fulfilled. The Bible doesn't mention specific dates like that. Luke 21:20, for example, predicted what was to happen around the timeframe of 70 AD, where there would have been a specific date in which Jerusalem is being surrounded, except Jesus never bothered to say as to what calendar day and year that that was suppose to take place.

Yet, we are to believe that there are those in our day and time that can tell us to the day when certain prophecies will be fulfilled? Even Paul when he made mention of the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4, never once said what calendar day and year that is supposed to happen, nor did he ever give the impression that he knew what calendar day and year that that is to take place. People who think they can tell us in advance, on what day and year a prophecy will be fulfilled, are basically deceivers.

It's one thing to think the 2nd coming/rapture can happen in our lifetime, thus no one is trying to deceive anyone, they simply believe the time is drawing near, but it's another thing to think one can know the exact day and hour that will occur, the latter involving deception. And it's not just them deceiving others, assuming one buys what they are predicting, they are deceived themselves since that obviously think they are correct about what they are predicting.

 

[3 Resurrections]

It's one thing to think the 2nd coming/rapture can happen in our lifetime, thus no one is trying to deceive anyone, they simply believe the time is drawing near, but it's another thing to think one can know the exact day and hour that will occur, the latter involving deception.

You are forgetting that Daniel 12:11-13 gave a very specific 1,335th day for the resurrection in which he himself would participate, which would take place after two very specific things had occurred. Zechariah also gave a very specific time of day when Christ would return to the Mount of Olives - exactly at "evening time" (Zechariah 14:7) when it was neither day nor night yet. Is this what you would call "deception"?

 

[DavidPT]

You are forgetting that Daniel 12:11-13 gave a very specific 1,335th day for the resurrection in which he himself would participate, which would take place after two very specific things had occurred. Zechariah also gave a very specific time of day when Christ would return to the Mount of Olives - exactly at "evening time" (Zechariah 14:7) when it was neither day nor night yet. Is this what you would call "deception"?

That's not the same thing since not one person could possibly know in advance on what day and year the 1335th day takes place since that day hasn't happened yet and is meaning the last day of this age.

 

[3 Resurrections]

That's not the same thing since not one person could possibly know in advance on what day and year the 1335th day takes place since that day hasn't happened yet and is meaning the last day of this age.

Far from reproving the believers for discerning when that day of His coming would arrive, Christ actually scolded those in His generation, calling them "hypocrites" for NOT discerning the signs of the times before His coming which they were given (Luke 12:56 and Matthew 16:3). There is evidence in scripture of both the year and the day, but it is forbidden on this forum to discuss this specifically, so I have not done so.