THE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE IS ALWAYS SCRIPTURE "ALONE" 2

[LoveGodsWord]

If someone can't even communicate clearly in their native language how can s/he claim to understand Scripture?

I see you have no response to the posts that have been shared with you from the scripture now do you? So personal attacks now to compensate? I have only responded to your posts with scripture. I have even asked what posts and grammar have I used that has stopped you from understanding the posts and scriptures that have been shared with you here and all I am getting in response silence. I think you must already have me on ignore as that is what you are doing already with my posts.

Take Care.

 

[Leaf473]

Then let me ask you again are Gods' Words in the scriptures? YES/NO it is not a hard question and if Gods' Word is written in the scriptures and the scriptures are Gods' Word how can we not get our faith today from the scriptures which are the written Word of God?

Have you asked me that before? I don't recall seeing that particular question directed to me.

Maybe you did ask me and I don't remember,
or maybe the wires have gotten crossed between two different "sub-discussions".

In any case, Yes, God's words are in the scriptures.

This is not the same as saying that all of God's words are in the scriptures,
nor is it the same as saying that all of the scriptures are God's words.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Have you asked me that before? I don't recall seeing that particular question directed to me.

Maybe you did ask me and I don't remember,
or maybe the wires have gotten crossed between two different "sub-discussions".

In any case, Yes, God's words are in the scriptures.

This is not the same as saying that all of God's words are in the scriptures,
nor is it the same as saying that all of the scriptures are God's words.

Yes I asked you earlier in another post. I never asked you anywhere is all of Gods' Word in scripture. That is simply a distraction. So if you agree that God's Word is in scripture this is only agreeing with what I have already posted here and shown in Romans 10:17. According to the scriptures it is Gods' Word that says without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6 and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:23. If we are saved by Grace through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9 how can we have faith when there is no word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17 when today we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures? If we take away the scriptures we have no faith therefore no salvation. No one is denying here that there is no spoken Word of God or that Jesus is not the living Word of God who has today given us his written Words and no one is saying we cannot know God by direct revelation. The OP is about what is the final say of what is true and what is not true and that test is scripture *1 John 4:1 which is the written Word of God *2 Timothy 3:15-16 . Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith and is our guide as to what is truth and what is not.

Take Care.

 

[Carl Emerson]

how can we have faith when there is no word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17 when we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures?

Right there we have the problem.

The Scriptures are not the only avenue of communication that God has with man.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Right there we have the problem.

The Scriptures are not the only avenue of communication that God has with man.

Go read the OP no one has ever said to you that scripture is the only means of communication with God. There is no problem there at all. How do you know Gods' Word today Carl? - Yep scripture. The scriptures are the avenue that God communicates with man through those who are guided by His Spirit which works through the word of God (scriptures) *John 6:63 in those who believe them. Gods' Spirit is not separate from His Word. Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith as they determine what is true and what is not *2 Timothy 3:15-16; 1 John 4:1.

 

[timothyu]

The Scriptures are not the only avenue of communication that God has with man.

This may be true but by what do you judge the validity of the non-scriptural communication... with scripture?

 

[Leaf473]

Yes I asked you earlier in another post. I never asked you anywhere is all of Gods' Word in scripture. That is simply a distraction. So if you agree that God's Word is in scripture this is only agreeing with what I have already posted here and shown in Romans 10:17. According to the scriptures it is Gods' Word that says without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6 and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:23. If we are saved by Grace through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9 how can we have faith when there is no word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17 when today we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures? If we take away the scriptures we have no faith therefore no salvation. No one is denying here that there is no spoken Word of God or that Jesus is not the living Word of God who has today given us his written Words and no one is saying we cannot know God by direct revelation. The OP is about what is the final say of what is true and what is not true and that test is scripture *1 John 4:1 which is the written Word of God *2 Timothy 3:15-16 . Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith and is our guide as to what is truth and what is not.

Take Care.

I think where we start to disagree is here:

So if you agree that God's Word is in scripture this is only agreeing with what I have already posted here and shown in Romans 10:17.

I don't think Paul is attaching the same meaning to "word of God" that you do in the OP.

This is why I originally brought up Luke's story of John the Baptist where he says "...the word of God came to John."

 

[Leaf473]

The Scriptures are not the only avenue of communication that God has with man.

True. And the scriptures can be used inappropriately to communicate something God hadn't intended.

 

[Leaf473]

This may be true but by what do you judge the validity of the non-scriptural communication... with scripture?

Hi timothyu,

A communication can be judged by the scriptures, but also by its effects:

Does it lift up Jesus?

Does it produce the fruit of the Spirit, reduce the works of the flesh?

 

[timothyu]

And the scriptures can be used inappropriately to communicate something God hadn't intended.

No kidding. Christianity for 1700 years has rejected the Kingdom clearly taught and portrayed as the only Gospel of Jesus and built itself around intention.

 

[timothyu]

A communication can be judged by the scriptures, but also by its effects:

Does it lift up Jesus?

Does it produce the fruit of the Spirit, reduce the works of the flesh?

Agree but where would one most likely learn those things?

 

[Carl Emerson]

This may be true but by what do you judge the validity of the non-scriptural communication... with scripture?

Of course but that is a different subject.

LGW is claiming that "we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures..."

This is incorrect and not scriptural.

 

[timothyu]

Of course but that is a different subject.

No it is not. It shows the two are connected just as you claimed in the next sentence.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Of course but that is a different subject.

LGW is claiming that "we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures..."

This is incorrect and not scriptural.

Please don't falsely misrepresent what has been shared here. Go read the op which proves what your claiming here is not truthful. The OP is about the scriptures as being the "only rule of faith" that is the only test to know if someone is from God or not from God. It is the only rule of faith as to what is true and what is not true as we are guided by His Spirit.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think where we start to disagree is here:
I don't think Paul is attaching the same meaning to "word of God" that you do in the OP. This is why I originally brought up Luke's story of John the Baptist where he says "...the word of God came to John."

For me your post is a contradiction. If Gods Word is in the scriptures, how can it not be the Word of God? If all scripture is "God breathed" coming from God how can scripture not be Gods' Word? That does not make any sense. Scripture is Gods' recorded written Word that we have today and is where we get our faith from *Romans 10:17

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi timothyu, A communication can be judged by the scriptures, but also by its effects: Does it lift up Jesus? Does it produce the fruit of the Spirit, reduce the works of the flesh?

Which is exactly why the scriptures are the only rule of faith. That is it is only through the scriptures we know what is true and what is not true. What the fruit are, and who is from God and who is not as God guides us in His word by His Spirit.

 

[Leaf473]

Agree but where would one most likely learn those things?

I think it will vary with the person and the time and place.

For me, I think it came from personal Bible study guided by the Holy Spirit.

But I also talked with a guy who came to the same kind of conclusion through Holy Orthodoxy.

 

[timothyu]

The scriptures edumacated us.

 

[Leaf473]

Your post is a contradiction. If Gods Word is in the scriptures, how can it not be the Word of God? If all scripture is "God breathed" coming from God how can scripture not be Gods' Word? That does not make any sense. Scripture is Gods' recorded written Word that we have today and is where we get our faith from *Romans 10:17

No, it's not a contradiction.

If Gods Word is in the scriptures, how can it not be the Word of God?

I'll try to explain this way:

The Rocky mountains are in the USA.

Therefore the USA is the Rocky mountains.

The conclusion is clearly wrong, or at least way off base.

Once we resolve this logic issue, we can move on to things like "God-breathed".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, it's not a contradiction.



I'll try to explain this way:

The Rocky mountains are in the USA.

Therefore the USA is the Rocky mountains.

The conclusion is clearly wrong, or at least way off base.

Once we resolve this logic issue, we can move on to things like "God-breathed".

Sorry leaf I believe what you posted was indeed a contradiction and not relevant to the posts you are quoting from. You simply avoided answering the questions to you showing why. I never once asked you if Jesus was the scriptures. I asked you if the words of Jesus are recorded in the scriptures. So your example does not fit here.

Take Care.