- "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 - is the teaching of Christ.
- "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 is the teaching of Christ at Sinai in His Ten Commandments.
- Christ is the one speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai according to Heb 8:6-12
How "odd" . so then when God says "
do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 -- in your POV He is saying "
man was MADE FOR not taking God's name in vain"??? Since Jesus said --
- "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 - is the teaching of Christ.
- "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 is the teaching of Christ at Sinai in His Ten Commandments.
Are you serious?? You are rejecting the text as if "I am the author of it"
You will have to do better than that if you want a compelling argument.
Indeed. It is your claim that Christ's words in Mark 2:27 are contradicting his statement in John 14:15?? really?
I am looking for a logical argument there - are you making a point? Maybe say it another way.
Whose logic are you looking for?
1- show me where Jesus said that the sabbath was one of HIS commandments.
2- show me where he said that unless you keep the sabbath, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
3- what did the members of the council in Jerusalem, Acts 15, say matters?
I see in John 13, Jesus said that his commandment is Love.
We love the brotherhood in Christ, we love our neighbors, we love our enemies. We love the poor, needy, etc...
In looking at Romans 13:8-10, I don't see the sabbath listed as a commandment resulting from Love.
In looking at Matthew 22:36-40, I don't see the commandment of the sabbath being in the list of the Greatest Commandments.
According to Romans 14, we're further told, not to place traps into the lives of others. Paul, who was far more educated in the Law than either of us, explicitly stated
Rom 14:4-14 WEB 4 Who are you who judge another’s servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand. 5 One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord. Or if we die, we die to the Lord. If therefore we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, “‘As I live,’ says the Lord, ‘to me every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.’” 12 So then each one of us will give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let’s not judge one another any more, but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block in his brother’s way, or an occasion for falling. 14 I know, and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean of itself; except that to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
He further stated in Colossians 2
Col 2:12-23 WEB 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us. He has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross. 15 Having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day, 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ’s. 18 Let no one rob you of your prize by self-abasement and worshiping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding firmly to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and ligaments, grows with God’s growth. 20 If you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to ordinances, 21 “Don’t handle, nor taste, nor touch” 22 (all of which perish with use), according to the precepts and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, humility, and severity to the body; but aren’t of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.
So.... you want to use logic as your justification to keep the sabbath.... my question is-- whose logic are you talking about?
If you actually want to keep the sabbath, according to Romans 14, you're more than welcome to. Nobody is saying anything about that.
Trying to force others to keep the sabbath.... that's another issue entirely. Romans 14 -15, Colossians 2, Titus 1:14, all make it clear you don't have the right to demand anyone else do that.
As for me, and the people I'm acquainted with, I'll continue to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, for the rest of my life.
And as for others, I'll continue to show them that they were given a sabbath rest in Christ for placing their trust in Jesus.
Especially in light of Isaiah 30:15, 32:17, 40:28-41:1, Hebrews 3-4, 2 Peter 1:2-13.