Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[klutedavid]

Let God's word answer your question as shown in post # 964 linked. Do you believe someone who continues in known unrepentant sin is in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (see Hebrews 10:26-27). It's really not a hard question to answer. If you still don't know after reading the scriptures. Perhaps you can pray about it.

Everyone is a sinner and to deny that would be a lie.

Now we have the verse someone quoted earlier.

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin is of the devil

So the only conclusion would be that no one is saved because they all sin.

Now we add the rest of that line from the quotation (1 John 3:8).

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin is of the devil for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus has destroyed the law of sin and death, Jesus destroyed the works of the accuser of the brethren.

Final conclusion, everyone that trusts in Jesus is saved.

What a difference a small degree of context makes.

 

[Bob S]

Fact is though according to the scriptures, Sunday worship as "the Lords day" is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God.

According to scripture??? That is entirely untrue unless you mutilate scripture like SDAs do. My, my such piety. Here I have been taught that we all are sinners, whether Jews who had the Law or gentiles who didn't.

There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day as a memorial in honor of Christs resurrection.

There is not one word in all of scripture indicating that gentiles nations were ever asked to observe the Sabbath or any other special day given only to Israel.

Even Jesus in His own Words says that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9.

Since Christians are not under the laws of the old covenant, the one given to Israel only, we are not obligated to keep the Sabbath command, the one you break every week.

Right here is a tangled mess of putting the teachings and traditions of men in the early Church that break the commandments of God above Gods' express Word. God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath is exactly what God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own Words, not the tangled mess of "Sunday worship" that has led many away from Gods' Word to break Gods' 4th commandment.

Only those who do not know God's word fall for bologna like that.

 

[klutedavid]

According to scripture??? That is entirely untrue unless you mutilate scripture like SDAs do. My, my such piety. Here I have been taught that we all are sinners, whether Jews who had the Law or gentiles who didn't.

There is not one word in all of scripture indicating that gentiles nations were ever asked to observe the Sabbath or any other special day given only to Israel.


Since Christians are not under the laws of the old covenant, the one given to Israel only, we are not obligated to keep the Sabbath command, the one you break every week.


Only those who do not know God's word fall for bologna like that.

Romans 3:28-29
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith APART from works of the Law (Sabbath). Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also?

 

[Bob S]

No Bob, @SabbathBlessings was right the first time. According to the scriptures, if any of us disregard the scriptures that teach us how to follow God through faith in order to live in a life of known unrepentant sin while rejecting what God's Word says then our argument will indeed be with God because according to Jesus, it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will be our judge come judgement day as shown in *John 12:47-48; Hebrews 10:26-31. Let's pray that this is not the case with any one of us here because when Jesus returns it will be too late for many that had the chance to hear and follow Gods' Word but in heart chose not to.

Take Care.

Anyone who teaches that we are required to observe ritual laws of the old covenant, their argument will indeed be with God. Ritual laws include the ritual weekly Sabbath. I pray that God's Grace will cover both of us.

 

[Servus]

If the scripture said so don't you think at least someone around here would have already quoted the passage to you by now? And who else cares about my opinion concerning this apart from you? (which opinion I have already shared with you anyway)? I've already answered you twice now and yet you still haven't answered what I asked you. This is turning into a childish tit-for-tat, so again, nice chatting, have a nice thread, have a nice evening, and so on and so on.

That still looks like a yes regarding a theological perspective involving all Christians. Despite all the denials from sabbatarians. I thought maybe that view might be different with Messianics, but it appears to be the same as with SDA. At least with the those I've encountered on CF. That view being most Christians are going to hell because they don't keep the Jewish seventh day sabbath. Or rather the SDA (or very similar) version of the Jewish seventh day sabbath.

 

[daq]

That still looks like a yes regarding a theological perspective involving all Christians. Despite all the denials from sabbatarians. I thought maybe that view might be different with Messianics, but it appears to be the same as with SDA. At least with the those I've encountered on CF. That view being most Christians are going to hell because they don't keep the Jewish seventh day sabbath. Or rather the SDA (or very similar) version of the Jewish seventh day sabbath.

You still don't get it: you have no right to demand that I speak for God. Judge yourself, O man, it isn't my place to say either yes or no: whether you are "saved" or not is between you and God. This isn't about forum rules or you trying to bait me into breaking the rules: this is about you demanding that I play God and render a judgment on your soul. I'm not interested and I don't really care what you believe about me because you will believe whatever you wish to believe either way.

 

[Servus]

You still don't get it: you have no right to demand that I speak for God. Judge yourself, O man, it isn't my place to say either yes or no: whether you are "saved" or not is between you and God. This isn't about forum rules or you trying to bait me into breaking the rules: this is about you demanding that I play God and render a judgment on your soul. I'm not interested and I don't really care what you believe about me because you will believe whatever you wish to believe either way.

I'm not asking about you and me personally. I'm asking a simple question about the SDA and Messianic theological view regarding salvation. I was asking you what scripture says. There's not an orthodox Christian I can think of who would not give a straightforward answer to that or a similar question the first time they were asked.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That still looks like a yes regarding a theological perspective involving all Christians. Despite all the denials from sabbatarians. I thought maybe that view might be different with Messianics, but it appears to be the same as with SDA. At least with the those I've encountered on CF. That view being most Christians are going to hell because they don't keep the Jewish seventh day sabbath. Or rather the SDA (or very similar) version of the Jewish seventh day sabbath.

Why pretend people are saying things they are not saying to you? Please see Post # 964 linked

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Everyone is a sinner and to deny that would be a lie.

According to the scriptures there is a difference between sinners that are forgiven and been cleansed by the blood of Christ (1 John 2:1-4; 1 John 1:9) and sinners that continue in known unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-31). The former being the saved, have been born again and live in newness of life and no longer continue in known unrepentant sin that they have been forgiven and cleansed from through faith in Gods' Word *see Romans 6:1-23; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16; 1 John 3:6. The latter are lost in their sins and not not know Christ (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6; Hebrews 10:26-31) according to the scriptures. So the bottom line here according to the scriptures is we profess to know God but a living a life in known unrepentant sin according to 1 John 2:3-4 we are lying and the truth is not in us.

Now we have the verse someone quoted earlier. 1 John 3:8 The one who practices sin is of the devil. So the only conclusion would be that no one is saved because they all sin. Now we add the rest of that line from the quotation (1 John 3:8). 1 John 3:8 The one who practices sin is of the devil for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus has destroyed the law of sin and death, Jesus destroyed the works of the accuser of the brethren. Final conclusion, everyone that trusts in Jesus is saved. What a difference a small degree of context makes.

Well we can try and explain away scripture and make excuses for sin or we can believe what the scriptures say. I prefer to believe what Gods' Word says with all the context added in that you left out.

1 John 3:4-10 [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

We should not therefore try and read into the scripture what they do not say and do not teach. Let's read and believe what the scriptures actually say and teach which is...

• Sin is defined as breaking Gods' law which is the context *1 John 3:4
• If we abide in Christ we do not break God's law (sin) *1 John 3:6
• If we practice breaking Gods law (sin) we do not know Christ *1 John 3:6
• Don't let anyone deceive you. Those that do righteousness are righteous *1 John 3:7
• He that practices breaking God's law (sin) is of the devil *1 John 3:8
• Whosoever is born of God does not practice breaking Gods' law (sin) *1 John 3:9
• Those who break Gods' law (sin) and those who do not break God's law (sin) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:10.

All of the above are taken directly out of the scriptures and disagree with you.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Fact is though according to the scriptures, Sunday worship as "the Lords day" is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day as a memorial in honor of Christs resurrection. Even Jesus in His own Words says that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. Right here is a tangled mess of putting the teachings and traditions of men in the early Church that break the commandments of God above Gods' express Word. God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath is exactly what God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own Words, not the tangled mess of "Sunday worship" that has led many away from Gods' Word to break Gods' 4th commandment.

Your response here...

According to scripture??? That is entirely untrue unless you mutilate scripture like SDAs do. My, my such piety. Here I have been taught that we all are sinners, whether Jews who had the Law or gentiles who didn't.

It is absolutely true Bob. If you disagree please provide me a single scripture in all the bible that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day". Sunday as "the Lords day" is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day as a memorial in honor of Christs resurrection. Just the same as there is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says "Sunday" or the first day of the week is "the Lords day." If you disagree please provide us with a single scripture that supports your view? - There is none.

There is not one word in all of scripture indicating that gentiles nations were ever asked to observe the Sabbath or any other special day given only to Israel.

We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. According to the scriptures Gods' Israel in the new covenant is now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. Gods' Israel in the new covenant is no longer those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born again of the Spirit of God into God's new covenant promise *see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:29-29 and Romans 2:28-29. Gentile "believers" are now grafted in with Jewish "believers" and we are all now one in Christ *Romans 11:16-27. Therefore if you are not a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God never made a covenant with gentiles. Therefore all of God's Word is for all of Gods' people (Israel).

Since Christians are not under the laws of the old covenant, the one given to Israel only, we are not obligated to keep the Sabbath command, the one you break every week.

According to the scriptures, no one is under the law unless they stand before God guilty of breaking the law *Romans 3:19-20. In the new covenant Gods' 10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25; Matthew 9:12-13.

Take Care Bob.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Romans 3:28-29 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith APART from works of the Law (Sabbath). Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also?

No one has said to you anywhere that you are justified by the law. According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14 and according to James there is no such thing as faith that does not have the fruit of obedience to Gods' Word. As posted to your friend faith without works is simply the dead faith of devils according to James 2:17-26. Gods Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) *1 John 2:3-4.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ No Bob, @SabbathBlessings was right the first time. According to the scriptures, if any of us disregard the scriptures that teach us how to follow God through faith in order to live in a life of known unrepentant sin while rejecting what God's Word says then our argument will indeed be with God because according to Jesus, it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will be our judge come judgement day as shown in *John 12:47-48; Hebrews 10:26-31. Let's pray that this is not the case with any one of us here because when Jesus returns it will be too late for many that had the chance to hear and follow Gods' Word but in heart chose not to.

Your response here...

Anyone who teaches that we are required to observe ritual laws of the old covenant, their argument will indeed be with God. Ritual laws include the ritual weekly Sabbath. I pray that God's Grace will cover both of us.

No one is telling you we are required to observe ritual laws of the old covenant so why pretend that they are? God's 10 commandments are not ritual laws they are God's eternal laws that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and the standard of righteousness when obeyed (Psalms 119:172) and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

Take Care Bob.

 

[daq]

I'm not asking about you and me personally. I'm asking a simple question about the SDA and Messianic theological view regarding salvation. There's not an orthodox Christian I can think of who would not give a straightforward answer to that or a similar question the first time they were asked.

I don't pretend to speak for SDA's, and I don't pretend to speak for Orthodox Christianity, and neither should I presume to speak for all Messianics, and I certainly have no place in deciding who is "saved" and who is not. No doubt if the question came up you would probably not even be able to get a decent consensus on what "saved" actually means or when it supposedly happens.

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

When does this happen? Do you realize this is quoting from the Prophet Habakkuk (Septuagint)?

Habakkuk 2:1-5 LXX-Septuagint (Brenton)
1 I will stand upon my watch, and mount upon the rock, and watch to see what he will say by me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.
2 And the Lord answered me and said, Write the vision, and that plainly on a tablet, that he that reads it may run.
3 For the vision is yet for a time, and it shall shoot forth at the end, and not in vain: though he should tarry, wait for him; for he will surely come, and will not tarry.
4 If he should draw back, my soul has no pleasure in him: but the just shall live by my faith.
5 But the arrogant man and the scorner, the boastful man, shall not finish anything; who has enlarged his desire as the grave, and like death he is never satisfied, and he will gather to himself all the nations, and will receive to himself all the peoples.

Is this what you mean by "saved"? And if not then why do you suppose the author of Hebrews quotes from this passage if it has nothing to do with being "saved"?

 

[Servus]

I don't pretend to speak for SDA's, and I don't pretend to speak for Orthodox Christianity, and neither should I presume to speak for all Messianics, and I certainly have no place in deciding who is "saved" and who is not. No doubt if the question came up you would probably not even be able to get a decent consensus on what "saved" actually means or when it supposedly happens.

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

When does this happen? Do you realize this is quoting from the Prophet Habakkuk (Septuagint)?

Habakkuk 2:1-5 LXX-Septuagint (Brenton)
1 I will stand upon my watch, and mount upon the rock, and watch to see what he will say by me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.
2 And the Lord answered me and said, Write the vision, and that plainly on a tablet, that he that reads it may run.
3 For the vision is yet for a time, and it shall shoot forth at the end, and not in vain: though he should tarry, wait for him; for he will surely come, and will not tarry.
4 If he should draw back, my soul has no pleasure in him: but the just shall live by my faith.
5 But the arrogant man and the scorner, the boastful man, shall not finish anything; who has enlarged his desire as the grave, and like death he is never satisfied, and he will gather to himself all the nations, and will receive to himself all the peoples.

Is this what you mean by "saved"? And if not then why do you suppose the author of Hebrews quotes from this passage if it has nothing to do with being "saved"?

Usually when someone posts scripture, they give a summation of what they're applying it to. They make it clear what they're trying to convey with it. The orthodox Christian view (which I hold to) of Hebrews 10 is that it's about Christ’s sacrifice once for all, Christ’s death fulfills God’s will and the just live by faith. It has to do with salvation being though Christ alone rather than through the law. It doesn't have anything to do with Christians having to keep the seventh day sabbath. Rather the opposite of that as with the entire book of Hebrews. How are you applying it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Usually when someone posts scripture, they give a summation of what they're applying it to. They make it clear what they're trying to convey with it. The orthodox Christian view (which I hold to) of Hebrews 10 is that it's about Christ’s sacrifice once for all, Christ’s death fulfills God’s will and the just live by faith. It has to do with salvation being though Christ alone rather than the law leading to salvation. It doesn't have anything to do with Christians keeping the seventh day sabbath. How are you applying it?

Hebrews 10:1-13 is about Christs sacrifice once and for all and Jesus being at the right hand of God from now on until his enemies are made his footstool. Hebrews 10:26-27 is a warning to His enemies and us as Gods' people that states that if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word, there will be no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. That is a pretty plain reading of the scriptures is it not? The same theme continues from Hebrews 10:26-39. What are you having trouble with?

 

[klutedavid]

Hebrews 10:1-13 is about Christs sacrifice once and for all and Jesus being at the right hand of God from now on until his enemies are made his footstool. Hebrews 10:26-27 is a warning to His enemies and us as Gods' people that states that if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word, there will be no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. That is a pretty plain reading of the scriptures is it not? The same theme continues from Hebrews 10:26-39. What are you having trouble with?

What is the difference between everyday sin, you know the sins you commit every week, and unrepentant sin?

What is willfully sinning and how is that different to your weekly sinning?

 

[daq]

Usually when someone posts scripture, they give a summation of what they're applying it to. They make it clear what they're trying to convey with it. The orthodox Christian view (which I hold to) of Hebrews 10 is that it's about Christ’s sacrifice once for all, Christ’s death fulfills God’s will and the just live by faith. It has to do with salvation being though Christ alone rather than through the law. It doesn't have anything to do with Christians keeping the seventh day sabbath. Rather the opposite of that as with the entire book of Hebrews. How are you applying it?

How am I applying it? I asked you if that has anything to do with "being saved" since you want me to judge whether you are saved or not, lol. I didn't offer any explanation because I shouldn't need to: I highlighted the portions that make my point.

Example: For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: "but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Habakkuk 2:4) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

That's talking about your soul being saved, right? And the Habakkuk text says it is for an appointed time. And who is he that shall come and will not tarry? Is this a time of testing? It sure sounds like it to me. And what is the will of God that we are to do before one can receive the promise? Why does the author say you have need for patience? He surely is not writing to non-believers. Does your version of "being saved" include doing the will of God before you can receive the promise? If not then why not? You don't include this understanding in your version of being "saved"? How long did it take you to do the will of God before you received the promise?

What about the following passage: is this "the will of God" spoken about in the Hebrews passage?

1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 KJV
1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

Do you see yet why your demand that I play God and judge whether or not you are saved doesn't make any sense at all to me? I don't know you and you don't know me. And I certainly am not interested in judging whole faith groups of people.

 

[klutedavid]

Usually when someone posts scripture, they give a summation of what they're applying it to. They make it clear what they're trying to convey with it. The orthodox Christian view (which I hold to) of Hebrews 10 is that it's about Christ’s sacrifice once for all, Christ’s death fulfills God’s will and the just live by faith. It has to do with salvation being though Christ alone rather than through the law. It doesn't have anything to do with Christians having to keep the seventh day sabbath. Rather the opposite of that as with the entire book of Hebrews. How are you applying it?

I thought the letter to the Hebrews was addressed to Hebrew people. These Hebrew people were firmly under the law of Moses, and they turned to Jesus.

Having been released from the yoke of the law and with the passing of time, they were sliding back into legalism, back under the law. There critical sin was their decreasing faith, losing that trust in Jesus.

Hebrews 10:28-29
Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

[Servus]

I thought the letter to the Hebrews was addressed to Hebrew people. These Hebrew people were firmly under the law of Moses, and they turned to Jesus.

When they turned to Jesus they became Christians the same as Paul.

Having been released from the yoke of the law and with the passing of time, they were sliding back into legalism, back under the law. There critical sin was their decreasing faith, losing that trust in Jesus.

Hebrews 10:28-29
Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

[Servus]

How am I applying it? I asked you if that has anything to do with "being saved" since you want me to judge whether you are saved or not, lol. I didn't offer any explanation because I shouldn't need to: I highlighted the portions that make my point.

No I don't want you to judge me. I already made that clear. You're using that strawman as a scapegoat. I asked you for your opinion about what scripture says regarding Christians and the seventh day sabbath. You declined to answer.

Example: For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: "but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Habakkuk 2:4) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

That's talking about your soul being saved, right? And the Habakkuk text says it is for an appointed time. And who is he that shall come and will not tarry? Is this a time of testing? It sure sounds like it to me. And what is the will of God that we are to do before one can receive the promise? Why does the author say you have need for patience? He surely is not writing to non-believers. Does your version of "being saved" include doing the will of God before you can receive the promise? If not then why not? You don't include this understanding in your version of being "saved"? How long did it take you to do the will of God before you received the promise?

What about the following passage: is this "the will of God" spoken about in the Hebrews passage?

1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 KJV
1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

Do you see yet why your demand that I play God and judge whether or not you are saved doesn't make any sense at all to me? I don't know you and you don't know me. And I certainly am not interested in judging whole faith groups of people.

Meaning Christians have to keep the seventh day sabbath in order to inherit the kingdom of heaven, correct?