Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes LGW. The highlighted sections amplify the intent of the author. Paul is emphasizing that love is what fulfills the law.

I see so what your saying is that we are to just believe the parts you highlighted and ignore all the other parts of the scriptures that show that love is expressed in obeying Gods' 10 commandments and loving your neighbor as yourself is simply summing obedience to God law. If that is what you believe that is between you and God. For me I believe all the scriptures that say...

Romans 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS (that means), THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (doing) OF THE LAW.

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what we are talking about, God’s Law of Love expressed through obedience to God's 10 commandments not by breaking them. That is not saying what you are teaching though.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Tradition says one day a week and so do you. Jesus was 24-7, I follow Jesus and I do not respect any day, week, or month!

Not really David. That is not what God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:3-17 says that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. According to Jesus no one is worshiping God by following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9.

Something to pray about I guess.

 

[Servus]

Again you misunderstood: it's clearly about how one reads and understands what he or she reads and-or hears in the scripture. That doesn't make any statement about ones "saved" status.

Lets be clear then before proceeding further. Are Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath saved?

You are reading into what was said just as you do with the scripture. Moreover your previous statement to me was yet another hand grenade: do you not know that you are in the "Sabbath and the Law" board? Surely you do. So why would you call the Shabbat "a distorted version of Judaic law" if you are not intending to offend anyone?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW

Question:

Is someone who claims to be a Christian but is living a life of known unrepentant sin committing adultery (for example), are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (please see Hebrews 10:26-31 for the answer from the scriptures).

Hope this was helpful.

 

[HIM]

Again you misunderstood: it's clearly about how one reads and understands what he or she reads and-or hears in the scripture. That doesn't make any statement about ones "saved" status. You are reading into what was said just as you do with the scripture. Moreover your previous statement to me was yet another hand grenade: do you not know that you are in the "Sabbath and the Law" board? Surely you do. So why would you call the Shabbat "a distorted version of Judaic law" if you are not intending to offend anyone?

There it is. Happens every time

 

[HIM]

Lets be clear then before proceeding further. Are Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath saved?

And there it is the bait. Fishing to get one banned. Sorry.,,,

 

[HIM]

Lets be clear then before proceeding further. Are Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath saved?

As it is against the forum rules to say so it should also be against the rules to ask; bait.

 

[Servus]

The constant claim in threads like this is that it's not being said that Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath aren't saved.

Yet when the direct question of "are Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath saved?" There's never a direct answer.

 

[daq]

Lets be clear then before proceeding further. Are Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath saved?

You want clarity? This is clear to me: for a very long time after having come to Messiah I did not observe the Shabbat the way I observe it now. Was I "saved" or was I merely in a growth process? (within which process I still walk forward)? And now, since I do observe the Shabbat, have I "fallen from grace" according to you?

And why are you sidelining most of what I say in my responses to you? Who gave you the authority to judge other peoples' observance of the Shabbat? Do you not believe what Paul teaches in Colossians 2:16? If you are going to accuse people of believing and observing "a distorted version of Judaic law" then don't you think you need to prove your claim by the scripture? Otherwise you and yours have simply set yourselves up as the new Pharisees and are no different than the same Pharisees who condemned the Messiah for breaking (their interpretation of) the Shabbat. In fact one of your associates already stated as much in this thread and eliminated the only candidate for Messiah offered to us in the scripture. Apparently in his view the Messiah died for breaking "the letter of the law" concerning the Shabbat: which necessarily means he did not die for the sins of the world but for his own sin, (which LGW already elaborated on).

 

[HIM]

SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW

Question:

Is someone who claims to be a Christian but is living a life of known unrepentant sin committing adultery (for example), are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (please see Hebrews 10:26-31 for the answer from the scriptures).

Hope this was helpful.

Little children be not deceived he that sins is of the devil

 

[Servus]

You want clarity? This is clear to me: for a very long time after having come to Messiah I did not observe the Shabbat the way I observe it now. Was I "saved" or was I merely in a growth process? (within which process I still walk forward)? And now, since I do observe the Shabbat, have I "fallen from grace" according to you?

And why are you sidelining most of what I say in my responses to you? Who gave you the authority to judge other peoples' observance of the Shabbat? Do you not believe what Paul teaches in Colossians 2:16? If you are going to accuse people of believing and observing "a distorted version of Judaic law" then don't you think you need to prove your claim by the scripture? Otherwise you and yours have simply set yourselves up as the new Pharisees and are no different that the same Pharisees who condemned the Messiah for breaking (their interpretation of) the Shabbat. In fact one of your associates already stated as much in this thread and eliminated the only candidate for Messiah offered to us in the scripture. Apparently in his view the Messiah died for breaking "the letter of the law" concerning the Shabbat: which necessarily means he did not die for the sins of the world but for his own sin, (which LGW already elaborated on).

You didn't answer my question. So I'm going to conclude that you believe Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath are not saved.

 

[daq]

You didn't answer my question. So I'm going to conclude that you believe Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath are not saved.

Believe what you will but I didn't say what you have decided to believe. I am going to conclude that you treat the Word in the same manner as how you treat those who believe, walk in, and observe the Word. It's all good. Nice chatting.

 

[Servus]

Believe what you will but I didn't say what you have decided to believe. I am going to conclude that you treat the Word in the same manner as how you treat those who believe, walk in, and observe the Word. It's all good. Nice chatting.

Why not answer the question to make your view clear to everyone reading?

 

[Servus]

It's just like I said in post 968. There's always the flat out denial that it's not being said that Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath (which is practically all of them) aren't saved.

But when the question is asked in a direct yes or no way, there's virtually always a long response that doesn't answer the question.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why not answer the question to make your view clear to everyone reading?

Post # 964 linked

 

[Servus]

Post # 964 linked

I read post 964 as saying that Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath are not saved. Is that correct? I'm seeking a yes or no answer please.

 

[daq]

Why not answer the question to make your view clear to everyone reading?

*Sigh* I did answer but you read it the wrong way. The answer is actually in what I said concerning myself and my early walk, which was probably much like yours is now. If you believe I was "unsaved" at that time then translate that into whatever you want to believe about yourself. I am not your judge. I don't believe I was "lost" at that time. You read me all wrong just as you have been continually doing.

As for the original discussion, at the point where it was when I entered here, I also answered that but you didn't even show any interest in what was said and simply went on with your spiel. If you had actually paid attention and entered into a discussion about what was said you might have understood that the charge against him was not "breaking the Sabbath" because he himself didn't actually do anything except to command someone else to carry his mattress. He did no such thing himself. Go look up the word mesith: that's the charge, a beguiler of the people, and it is about the teaching which disagreed with Pharisaic and Sanhedrin rulings, not that he himself actually broke the Shabbat because he didn't. Loosening the Shabbat or any other commandment is teaching others to do so, which, I might add, is a worse charge than breaking the Shabbat, for a mesith or beguiler of the people may surely be put to death, (and usually it was done at one of the feasts so that all the people would be present, and see, and do no more).

And now, hopefully, everything should be clear enough for "everyone reading", (your words).

 

[Servus]

*Sigh* I did answer but you read it the wrong way.

That wouldn't have happened if you had given a direct yes or no answer to a direct question seeking a direct yes or no answer.

Let me give you an example:

Q: "Brian, do you think scripture says Christians have to keep the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?"

A: No.
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Q: daq, do you think scripture says Christians have to keep the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?"

The answer is actually in what I said concerning myself and my early walk, which was probably much like yours is now. If you believe I was "unsaved" at that time then translate that into whatever you want to believe about yourself. I am not your judge. I don't believe I was "lost" at that time. You read me all wrong just as you have been continually doing.

As for the original discussion, at the point where it was when I entered here, I also answered that but you didn't even show any interest in what was said and simply went on with your spiel. If you had actually paid attention and entered into a discussion about what was said you might have understood that the charge against him was not "breaking the Sabbath" because he himself didn't actually do anything except to command someone else to carry his mattress. He did no such thing himself. Go look up the word mesith: that's the charge, a beguiler of the people, and it is about the teaching which disagreed with Pharisaic and Sanhedrin rulings, not that he himself actually broke the Shabbat because he didn't. Loosening the Shabbat or any other commandment is teaching others to do so, which, I might add, is a worse charge than breaking the Shabbat, for a mesith or beguiler of the people may surely be put to death, (and usually it was done at one of the feasts so that all the people would be present, and see, and do no more).

And now, hopefully, everything should be clear enough for "everyone reading", (your words).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I read post 964 as saying that Christians who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath are not saved. Is that correct? I'm seeking a yes or no answer please.

Let God's word answer your question as shown in post # 964 linked. Do you believe someone who continues in known unrepentant sin is in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (see Hebrews 10:26-27). It's really not a hard question to answer. If you still don't know after reading the scriptures. Perhaps you can pray about it.

 

[daq]

That wouldn't have happened if you had given a direct yes or no answer to a direct question seeking a direct yes or no answer.

Let me give you an example:

Q: "Brian, do you think scripture says Christians have to keep the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?"

A: No.
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Q: daq, do you think scripture says Christians have to keep the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?"

If the scripture said so don't you think at least someone around here would have already quoted the passage to you by now? And who else cares about my opinion concerning this apart from you? (which opinion I have already shared with you anyway)? I've already answered you twice now and yet you still haven't answered what I asked you. This is turning into a childish tit-for-tat, so again, nice chatting, have a nice thread, have a nice evening, and so on and so on.