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So no ministerial work, no loving, no caring, no allowing God to work through you on the Sabbath. If God moved one to work in His ministry during the first covenant during the Sabbath they ceased resting on the sabbath though they were fully resting in His Spirit.

Ministerial work through the Lord ON THE SABBATH has never been something that someone was been guilty of. Judge not according to appearance judge righteous judgement.


John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
John 7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
John 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
John 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
More false accusations. I only posted John 5:18. You and others elaborated on that, not me. I commune with Christ 7 days a week. And I don't argue against keeping the sabbath, I argue against a Judaic Christian hybrid conglomeration.
John 5:19 needs to be understood in context to chapter 6 and 7 WHERE the Sabbath is still the topic. Jesus sheds more light into what it means to be of God.

In verse 7:23 Jesus basically tells them how ridiculous there stance is that violated the Sabbath because He healed someone.
 
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More false accusations. I only posted John 5:18. You and others elaborated on that, not me. I commune with Christ 7 days a week. And I don't argue against keeping the sabbath, I argue against a manmade Judaic Christian hybrid conglomeration.
It’s not a false accusation, if you are posting something you think is proof and trying to prove that Jesus broke the commandments, when its not. John is telling a story and was telling what the Pharisees were accusing Jesus of, not what was really happening. Scripture clearly tells us Jesus kept the commandments, I believe Jesus not the Pharisees, who was adding their own restrictions to God’s Sabbath commandment, that did not come from God. Jesus was correcting them,I’m sorry you can’t see this.
 
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It’s not a false accusation, if you are posting something you think is proof and trying to prove that Jesus broke the commandments, when its not. John is telling a story and was telling what the Pharisees were accusing Jesus of, not what was really happening. Scripture clearly tells us Jesus kept the commandments, I believe Jesus not the Pharisees, who was adding their own restrictions to God’s Sabbath commandment, that did not come from God. Jesus was correcting them,I’m sorry you can’t see this.
Personally I am quite amazed sis how scripture can be posted and people feel like they are being accused and convicted of something from the very scriptures shared with them and cry false accusations, yet only scripture is being posted that disagrees with the teachings of lawlessness (without law) and sin.

God bless time to get some :sleep:
 
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So no ministerial work, no loving, no caring, no allowing God to work through you on the Sabbath.

Ministerial work, loving, caring, allowing God to work through you is supposed to take place seven days a week. Apparently some believe it's only supposed to take place one day a week.
 
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Ministerial work, loving, caring, allowing God to work through you is supposed to take place seven days a week. Apparently some believe it's only supposed to take place one day a week.
No one believes any such thing. Don't you believe the words of Jesus that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day? *Matthew 12:1-12
 
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Apparently some believe it's only supposed to take place one day a week.
Please post who you are referring to, because I see no Sabbath-keeper on here saying that. If you can’t post someone saying that, than that is considered a false accusation. Worshipping God everyday, which I know I do, does not take away our moral duty to keep the 4th commandment.
 
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It’s not a false accusation, if you are posting something you think is proof and trying to prove that Jesus broke the commandments, when its not.

That's a false accusation. I only posted what John said.

John is telling a story and was telling what the Pharisees were accusing Jesus of, not what was really happening. Scripture clearly tells us Jesus kept the commandments, I believe Jesus not the Pharisees, who was adding their own restrictions to God’s Sabbath commandment, that did not come from God. Jesus was correcting them,I’m sorry you can’t see this.

You folks are ones who can't see why I posted John 5:18, which is why you all are coming up with false reasons for why I posted it.
 
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Personally I am quite amazed sis how scripture can be posted and people feel like they are being accused and convicted from the very scriptures shared with them and cry false accusations, yet only scripture is being posted that disagrees with the teachings of lawlessness (without law) and sin.

God bless time to get some :sleep:

Yes, sad but true. :( Get some sleep, hope you had a great Sabbath!
 
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You folks are ones who can't see why I posted John 5:18, which is why you all are coming up with false reasons for why I posted it.
Why do you keep promoting the teachings of the Scribes and Pharisees who accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath and being a sinner? Right here we have the very words of Jesus that say. "have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple." - Matthew 12:5-6 and again... "What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days." - Matthew 12:10-12. Therefore according to the scriptures it is lawful to do Gods' work and to do good on the Sabbath day. "The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath." - Mark 2:27. This was not the teachings of the Scribes and Pharisees. Jesus did not break the Sabbath and was not a sinner Brian. Jesus was the Lord and creator of the Sabbath and taught us all that the Sabbath was made for mans blessing. Man was not made for the Sabbath which was the teachings of the Scribes and Pharisees.

May you receive Gods' Word and be blessed.
 
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Please post who you are referring to, because I see no Sabbath-keeper on here saying that. If you can’t post someone saying that, than that is considered a false accusation. Worshipping God everyday, which I know do, does not take away our moral duty to keep the 4th commandment.

Start with reading the post I was responding to.
 
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That's a false accusation. I only posted what John said.



You folks are ones who can't see why I posted John 5:18, which is why you all are coming up with false reasons for why I posted it.
What case were you trying to make with that scripture?

Seems like you bolded the part you were trying to emphasize

Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God." John 5:18 Your complaints and accusations need to be directed at John.

Not sure why anyone would want to do that, because this is John giving an account to what the Pharisees believed, not what was happening. Jesus was sinless, we would have no hope if Jesus was a sinner. Scripture clearly tells us Jesus kept the commandments and was sinless. John 15:10
 
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Start with reading the post I was responding to.
Has @HIM ever said he only worships God on the Sabbath day? I would like to see the quote where he has said that.
 
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Ministerial work, loving, caring, allowing God to work through you is supposed to take place seven days a week. Apparently some believe it's only supposed to take place one day a week.
Has @HIM ever said He only worships God on the Sabbath day? I would like to see the quote where he has said that.
Hello friend and happy Sabbath
We are to praise God and rejoice always. Enter into all things with prayer and supplication.
Worship is to be our life, who we are and on the Sabbath we our to REST from the work we have to do to survive. Which should enable us to live, worship without distraction.
 
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You hit the nail on the head! I’ve been saying this all along and the end result is “salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.” What a tangled mess indeed.

Matthew 9:16 No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. 17 Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

I sure don't see any point in turning away from orthodox Christianity in order to pursue a tangled mess.
 
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Ministerial work, loving, caring, allowing God to work through you is supposed to take place seven days a week. Apparently some believe it's only supposed to take place one day a week.

John 5:19 needs to be understood in context to chapter 6 and 7 WHERE the Sabbath is still the topic. Jesus sheds more light into what it means to be of God.

In verse 7:23 Jesus basically tells them how ridiculous there stance is that He violated the Sabbath because He healed someone. Judge righteous judgment.


John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
John 7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
John 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
John 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
 
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The tangled mess goes from no work on the sabbath supposedly only meaning what one does to earn a living, to saying someone lies about keeping the sabbath because they rinsed off a plate, but what it's mainly about is going to church on Saturday instead of Sunday even though that's not what the 4th commandment is about.
 
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The tangled mess goes from no work on the sabbath supposedly only meaning what one does to earn a living, to saying someone lied about keeping the sabbath because they rinsed off a plate, but what it's mainly about is going to church on Saturday instead of Sunday even though that's not what the 4th commandment is about.
Jesus said, we worship in vain when we keep traditions over commandments. Matthew 15:3-9. There is no Sunday-keeping commandment, but there is for Sabbath-keeping. Spoke by God and written by the finger of God! God said, Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 The Sabbath commandment is more than just not washing dishes or not doing chores. There is no tangled mess if you follow scripture.
 
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I sure don't see any point in turning away from orthodox Christianity in order to pursue a tangled mess.

The tangled mess goes from no work on the sabbath supposedly only meaning what one does to earn a living, to saying someone lied about keeping the sabbath because they rinsed off a plate, but what it's mainly about is going to church on Saturday instead of Sunday even though that's not what the 4th commandment is about.
John 5:19 needs to be understood in context to chapter 6 and 7 WHERE the Sabbath is still the topic. Jesus sheds more light into what it means to be of God.

In verse 7:23 Jesus basically tells them how ridiculous there stance is that He violated the Sabbath because He healed someone. Judge righteous judgment.


John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
John 7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
John 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
John 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
 
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It's manmade tradition that conglomerates church going with sabbath keeping as being the same thing. Which is not what God wrote in stone with His finger.
You mean what Jesus did as our example to follow who kept the Sabbath by going to the Temple reading God’s Word? Luke 4:16-22.God said to keep the Sabbath day holy and Jesus who kept the Sabbath commandment showed us how to do this through His example to follow. We should always follow Jesus!
 
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