Game over for the president

[Clizby WampusCat]

What does the Constitution say about how the states must determine election laws ?

Look at my previous post.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.​

Whatever. All politicians say things like that. Biden, H. Clinton and Obama have said these things as well. Good try. Fight like hell does not mean riot. It means fight for what you believe is right. Show that those words mean physically fight.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

He has no argument. Election is over. Every voted counted. Legal system including SCOTUS had their say about the election. Jan 6 was a ceremonial day. End of the story.

Yet Trump call his supporter to come to DC and talk about voter fraud and send his supporter to go to congress “peacefully”. Peacefully to do what ? Ask elected official to change the election result – that is “ overthrowing legitimately elected POTUS”

Read my previous post about what Trump wanted.

 

[Hammster]

What does the Constitution say about how the states must determine election laws ?

Tenth Amendment.

 

[Hammster]

What can I say , you are admitting “COUP” by Trump supporter . I rest my case.

And? Is there something else to your point?

 

[A_Thinker]

So Trumps argument is that States like Pennsylvania, New York, Georgia and others changed their election laws prior to and during early voting by Governors orders, judges orders and election bureaucrats in violation of the US constitution. This is a fact that laws were changed in these states not by the normal process of making laws in that state. So what Trump wanted was those laws thrown out and the votes in these states recounted per the legal laws of elections in that state.

My point is that the states themselves have to conclude that this is ... or is not ... the case. If a state is happy with the way that it ran its elections (as long as citizens' civil rights weren't violated), ... then that's what matters.

Other states and/or even the federal government can't raise a complaint about a states' process ... as long as the state, itself, is good with it.

This is, essentially, the finding of "no standing" ... which the courts reached concerncing the Texas objection (i.e. that Texas can't object ... to Arizona's process).

Also, consider that US justice is represented by a "balance". The Courts had to weigh the recognition and counting of the votes of American citizens ... against any complaint about the MANNER in which those votes were cast (i.e. in person ... or through vote-by-mail) ... all within the context of a pandemic.

It is evident that the Courts were persuaded that the right to vote ... was the more compelling interest for Americans ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Tenth Amendment.

How illustrative ...

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Read my previous post about what Trump wanted.

I an very clear on what Trump wanted. Election is over, vote has been counted, and result has been finalized .. Jan 6 was just a ceremonial date.. But Trump send his supporter “ Peacefully” to congress to tell elected official to go against the will of the people, against the election result and make Trump President.

It sad to see after 240 years of democracy in this country, there are people who don’t see this is a clear violation of democracy .. and this is a “COUP” .

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Trump campaign officials, led by Rudy Giuliani, oversaw fake electors plot in 7 states - CNNPolitics

Giuliani and his allies coordinated the nuts-and-bolts of the process on a state-by-state level, the sources told CNN. One source said there were multiple planning calls between Trump campaign officials and GOP state operatives, and that Giuliani participated in at least one call. The source also said the Trump campaign lined up supporters to fill elector slots, secured meeting rooms in statehouses for the fake electors to meet on December 14, 2020, and circulated drafts of fake certificates that were ultimately sent to the National Archives.


Trump and some of his top advisers publicly encouraged the "alternate electors" scheme in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico. But behind the scenes, Giuliani and Trump campaign officials actively choreographed the process, the sources said.

 

[Hammster]

How illustrative ...

Thanks.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

My point is that the states themselves have to conclude that this is ... or is not ... the case. If a state is happy with the way that it ran its elections (as long as citizens' civil rights weren't violated), ... then that's what matters.

That is not what the constitution says. It specifically calls out the legislature as the entity that makes laws for federal elections.

Other states and/or even the federal government can't raise a complaint about a states' process ... as long as the state, itself, is good with it.

This is, essentially, the finding of "no standing" ... which the courts reached concerncing the Texas objection (i.e. that Texas can't object ... to Arizona's process).

I am not referring to this.

Also, consider that US justice is represented by a "balance". The Courts had to weigh the recognition and counting of the votes of American citizens ... against any complaint about the MANNER in which those votes were cast (i.e. in person ... or through vote-by-mail) ... all within the context of a pandemic.

It is evident that the Courts were persuaded that the right to vote ... was the more compelling interest for Americans ...

I am not talking about how the votes were counted. I am talking about the manner in which some states changed laws in violation of the US constitution for federal elections.

 

[cow451]

so you don’t care what is true huh? Do you even know what the constitution says about how the states must determine election laws? If not then all you care about is saying bad things about trump. Ho hum. That is not a good argument.

I care about what is true. That's why I follow the Jan. 6 committee. That's why I followed the election court filings. The truth is that the "Big Lie" is clearly an accurate label and the "Steal" alleged by the Defeated Former President is a lie and was always a lie.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I an very clear on what Trump wanted. Election is over, vote has been counted, and result has been finalized .. Jan 6 was just a ceremonial date.. But Trump send his supporter “ Peacefully” to congress to tell elected official to go against the will of the people, against the election result and make Trump President.

It sad to see after 240 years of democracy in this country, there are people who don’t see this is a clear violation of democracy .. and this is a “COUP” .

That is not what happened as I outlined with evidence. Your insistence it was a coup attempt by Trump contrary to the evidence is an example of bad epistemology.

 

[A_Thinker]

That is not what the constitution says. It specifically calls out the legislature as the entity that makes laws for federal elections.

Then the particular state legislature would then be the entity calling "foul" ... not some other entity.

An analogy ... if I had one neighbor ... who was throwing his yard waste into another neighbor's yard ... it would be up to the trespassed upon neighbor to make the complaint. I couldn't make it for them.

I am not talking about how the votes were counted. I am talking about the manner in which some states changed laws in violation of the US constitution for federal elections.

The state's legislature, itself, would have to be the complainant, in that case ... the Federal courts agree ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Thanks.

No problem ...

 

[Tiberius Lee]

That is not what happened as I outlined with evidence. Your insistence it was a coup attempt by Trump contrary to the evidence is an example of bad epistemology.

This is why the “coup” leader can run around the country and keep insisting he won the election because there are citizen in this country who are “in denial” about what happened on Jan 6.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Then the particular state legislature would then be the entity calling "foul" ... not some other entity.

An analogy ... if I had one neighbor ... who was throwing his yard waste into another neighbor's yard ... it would be up to the trespassed upon neighbor to make the complaint. I couldn't make it for them.

The state's legislature, itself, would have to be the complainant, in that case ... the Federal courts agree ...

Pennsylvania senate did.

Pennsylvania State Senate Asks Congress to Postpone Certifying the Election Results

As far as the neighbor goes, if the yard waste was affecting me or my property I sure could.

But this is not my point. My point is that whether you agree or not with the law this is was Trump was trying to change. It is a lie that he tried to illegally force the election results to be overturned or wanted an insurrection.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

This is why the “coup” leader can run around the country and keep insisting he won the election because there are citizen in this country who are “in denial” about what happened on Jan 6.

Then why not just address my evidence I presented and show me where it is not sound? Give your evidence that Trump wanted a coup.

 

[Aldebaran]

You and I agree on something here .. democrat will lose congress in mid-term election just like every other mid-term election in the past.

So what ?

Joe Biden will still be the POTUS

And

Trump will crash wedding and tell people “ I was the greatest President of all .. the best ever .. and I won election in 2020”

Nothing to see !

Who cares what Trump will tell people? If you're so concerned about a president telling people to doubt election results, then you should be more concerned about biden doing that very thing before the 2022 election even takes place.

"Well, it all depends on whether or not we're able to make the case to the American people that some of this is being set up to try to alter the outcome of the election. ... I think if, in fact -- no matter how hard they make it for minorities to vote, I think you're going to see them willing to stand in line and -- and defy the attempt to keep them from being able to vote. I think you're going to see the people who they're trying to keep from being able to show up, showing up and making the sacrifice that needs to make in order to change the law back to what it should be."---Joe Biden (when asked if he thinks 2022 election results will be legitimate)
Did Joe Biden really say that the 2022 election could be 'illegitimate'? - CNNPolitics

 

[Aldebaran]

so you would like to re-write the history of America ? No wonder it’s upset you when children are taught CRT.

I live in the present.