Game over for the president

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

Sinema, Manchin curb Biden's agenda

Snip:
President Biden for a second time in two months on Thursday saw his agenda limited by a senator from his own party, curbing the White House’s influence and power and raising questions about what accomplishments his party will bring to this year’s midterms.

He is lame- duck and his legislative agenda is now dead.

In Him,

Bill

 

[bekkilyn]

I'm glad because I really don't like the idea of federalizing elections and taking power away from how states run their own elections. And then to call it "voting rights" when I'd really like one of them to point out just which American citizens aren't allowed to vote right now today.

 

[Torah Keeper]

It's really bad when even his own party is against him.

 

[sandman]

Pray for those two...they are under tremendous pressure from their own party, which as you know, can be ruthless....

 

[stevil]

Good Day,

Sinema, Manchin curb Biden's agenda

Snip:
President Biden for a second time in two months on Thursday saw his agenda limited by a senator from his own party, curbing the White House’s influence and power and raising questions about what accomplishments his party will bring to this year’s midterms.

He is lame- duck and his legislative agenda is now dead.

In Him,

Bill

The USA political system is often dysfunctional.
In the presidential election they vote in one party, in the midterms they vote in the opposite party and nowdays this means obstruction on almost everything.

But it is before the mid-terms and Democrats have barest of minimum majority in the Senate. With all Republicans voting against pretty much anything the Democrats bring forth, every single Democrat vote counts. But Manchin comes from a state that probably should be Republican and so he has lots of pressure to appease them and finds himself time and time again torpedoing his own party in the Senate.
Much joy for Republicans who think the goal is to deny Democrats any win at all, much saddness for the current administration and much more dysfunction for the entire country.

Personally I think it showcases to the world what a disaster the USA political system is. This is not a showcase on how countries should be run.

 

[Trusting in Him]

It will probably take some time before the president is replaced, if at all, so who is there who is suitable and of enough stature and ability to replace him. In the middle of seriously difficult problems around the world, who would make a credible and respected leader in such challenging times?

 

[miamited]

Hi all,

Politics can be a funny career. Most people have no idea how the 'job' of politicking is done. Yes, there are a couple of representatives in the democratic caucus that aren't in line with the agenda of rebuilding our infrastructure the same way that Pres. Biden is hoping to push the agenda. That's a good thing and shows that democrats are more individual thinkers rather than party allegiant, no matter their real feelings about things.

Some of Sen. Manchin's complaints are valid. That was actually one of the complaints that I had with the pandemic relief as originally rolled out under Trump. He wanted to give everyone a check. I didn't need one and neither did either of my sons who are working and have continued to work throughout all of this. Other than the rising inflationary pressure, I haven't lost a dime over any of the pandemic issue and I'm not completely convinced that the inflationary pressure is all pandemic related. But I got a check and threw it away.

But that's me and my situation. I just believe that the people who were truly financially affected by the pandemic could have gotten more money to help feed their families and pay their rent, if people like me didn't get a check that wasn't needed. Similarly, some of Sen. Manchin's complaint is that he thinks we should be wiser about who we give free money to. Other issues that he has with the agenda will have to be worked out and that's what the job of politicking is all about. There is actually very, very little legislation that gets done where every member of every party always votes in line with their party's official position.

So, I'm not sure why anyone would think that Pres. Biden's administration is at the 'game over' phase just because someone in his party sees things a little differently than he does. Although, I would agree that when the late Sen. John McCain put the nail in Trump's agenda to shut down the ACA...that was apparently game over, because we never heard another word about it.

God bless,
Ted

 

[stevil]

It will probably take some time before the president is replaced,

If a president is replaced through means other than a general election, one would think the VP then gets the job.

But currently there is no reason to think Joe Biden needs replacement.

 

[miamited]

@BBAS 64

President Trump, trying to throw out the ACA, for a second time in two months on Thursday saw his agenda limited by a senator from his own party, curbing the White House’s influence and power and raising questions about what accomplishments his party will bring to this year’s midterms.

God bless,
Ted

 

[bekkilyn]

One of my issues with American politics is the expectation that everyone who is a Democrat has to be 100% party line and same with Republican. They are still individual people with individual beliefs and unique constituents to serve, and just because they may lean one way or another doesn't mean they are automatically in lockstep with a party platform.

 

[Pommer]

One of my issues with American politics is the expectation that everyone who is a Democrat has to be 100% party line and same with Republican. They are still individual people with individual beliefs and unique constituents to serve, and just because they may lean one way or another doesn't mean they are automatically in lockstep with a party platform.

See…it used to be that we had conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans in the House and Senate (and all flavors in between).
The upshot of this was that party considerations didn’t always align with ideological considerations so that real, serious politicking had to be done to get bills passed with bipartisan support.
The polarization of the parties (beginning in the late Reagan era and solidified under Speaker N. Gingrich (who forbad his caucus members from “fraternizing” with their Democratic colleagues, socially)), means that the Republicans sided with conservative principles and the Democrats then had the liberal label foisted upon them by default.
Until 2017 when President Trump got the GOP to divorce themselves from many conservative positions, (though many Republicans still haven’t gotten the message that their party is still right-wing but not conservative any longer).

 

[disciple Clint]

Hi all,

Politics can be a funny career. Most people have no idea how the 'job' of politicking is done. Yes, there are a couple of representatives in the democratic caucus that aren't in line with the agenda of rebuilding our infrastructure the same way that Pres. Biden is hoping to push the agenda. That's a good thing and shows that democrats are more individual thinkers rather than party allegiant, no matter their real feelings about things.

Some of Sen. Manchin's complaints are valid. That was actually one of the complaints that I had with the pandemic relief as originally rolled out under Trump. He wanted to give everyone a check. I didn't need one and neither did either of my sons who are working and have continued to work throughout all of this. Other than the rising inflationary pressure, I haven't lost a dime over any of the pandemic issue and I'm not completely convinced that the inflationary pressure is all pandemic related. But I got a check and threw it away.

But that's me and my situation. I just believe that the people who were truly financially affected by the pandemic could have gotten more money to help feed their families and pay their rent, if people like me didn't get a check that wasn't needed. Similarly, some of Sen. Manchin's complaint is that he thinks we should be wiser about who we give free money to. Other issues that he has with the agenda will have to be worked out and that's what the job of politicking is all about. There is actually very, very little legislation that gets done where every member of every party always votes in line with their party's official position.

So, I'm not sure why anyone would think that Pres. Biden's administration is at the 'game over' phase just because someone in his party sees things a little differently than he does. Although, I would agree that when the late Sen. John McCain put the nail in Trump's agenda to shut down the ACA...that was apparently game over, because we never heard another word about it.

God bless,
Ted

you got a check which you say you threw away and then you say people in need should have been given more, why did you not give them more, you did not need it, why waste it.

 

[disciple Clint]

If a president is replaced through means other than a general election, one would think the VP then gets the job.

But currently there is no reason to think Joe Biden needs replacement.

actually both Biden and his VP need to be replaced, almost anyone could do a better job.

 

[Trusting in Him]

actually both Biden and his VP need to be replaced, almost anyone could do a better job.

You say that, but it's not really a job for almost anyone. It very easy to be a bad president. but to be a good president requires real ability, experience, wisdom and judgement. There don't seem not many politicians around right now, who much of any of those requirements around who really stand out as obvious candidates right now. Not only that, a lot of leaders in many different countries around the world don't currently seem to have what it takes, so lot of really poor decisions seem to be being made resulting in later consequences which nobody considered at the time.

Look at Putin and he's current behavior is assuming that this current crisis, which is mostly of his making won't blow up in his face and start a really big war. Nobody knows how this crisis is going to end. Currently it not looking particularly great for all concerned. The media now seem to be talking about 200,000 russian troops currently lined up on the border ready for action. As to how true these claims may, or may not be, it is very hard to know, but for either side to back down now is getting more and more difficult, without someone losing face.

The trouble is that there's always potential for something, which no one has ever considered, to without warning, escalate the crisis to newer and unexpected levels and suddenly everybody is blaming each other and nobody is able to step down and lots of people are dying. Once it starts, putting a stop to it will be a very difficult thing to do! Russia has lots of tanks, but taking out large numbers of tanks, is quite a lot easier than it used to be. Russia is relying very heavily on it's numerical superiority, but what happens if that superiority just gets destroyed.

NATO's technology is designed to do just that and suddenly the other option might be neuclear weapons. Once the shooting starts, decisions can happen very quickly!

 

[KCfromNC]

actually both Biden and his VP need to be replaced, almost anyone could do a better job.

The majority of voters disagreed last time. Oh well, what can you do?

 

[rambot]

One of my issues with American politics is the expectation that everyone who is a Democrat has to be 100% party line and same with Republican. They are still individual people with individual beliefs and unique constituents to serve, and just because they may lean one way or another doesn't mean they are automatically in lockstep with a party platform.

While I agree that is a bit of a piteable state I wonder if it's a chicken or the egg scenario when taken in conjunction with this....

 

[miamited]

you got a check which you say you threw away and then you say people in need should have been given more, why did you not give them more, you did not need it, why waste it.

Hi @disciple Clint

I suppose it's a matter of perspective, but I've never thought of not using government funds that were not needed as wasteful.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

actually both Biden and his VP need to be replaced, almost anyone could do a better job.

Hi @disciple Clint

Again, I suppose that it's a matter of perspective, but I don't see that he's made any egregious mistakes or errors. Everything seems to be running fairly calmly around the nation and no one is calling anyone else names. It's a good life for some of us.

The legislature is working out an infrastructure bill and that's the way our government was established to run. This is the part that the former guy could never figure out. He always thought that he could run the government like he runs his generally failed businesses. What I say goes!!! But that isn't how our government operation was established. It's the legislature that pretty much has the last word in how things go. The President's job is just to guide and lead the nation and be the 'face' of our nation internationally. I believe that part of the job is being handled much better today than it has been over the previous 4 years.

But again, I'm confident one's feelings and understandings of the issues are going to depend on one's political persuasion. I believe though, that a lot of the anger and mistrust is generally predicated on one not understanding the operation of our government.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Lavaduder]

It will probably take some time before the president is replaced, if at all, so who is there who is suitable and of enough stature and ability to replace him. In the middle of seriously difficult problems around the world, who would make a credible and respected leader in such challenging times?

Harris is not a man.

 

[stevil]

actually both Biden and his VP need to be replaced, almost anyone could do a better job.

You get to put your vote forward at the next election,

otherwise I guess, maybe join an insurrection or coup or something, and risk prison time if you are unsuccessful. That's the approach taken for banana republics.

Maybe Republicans could try for impeachment and removal after mid terms, if they have the numbers or change the system to a simple majority if they don't quite have the numbers - which might lead to all future presidents getting impeached and removed after mid terms from now on??? USA continually slipping further and further into dysfunction.