There is NO risk to me if I am wrong about "certain" doctrinal positions.

[SabbathBlessings]

No I didnt - I said the opposite - that He would not let a central truth be understood by one minor sect while all others were condemned for not understanding and acting on it.

We are told the devil deceives the whole world and we were warned God's Sabbath would be changed, not by God Daniel 7:25 and that is exactly what happened. Jesus warns us to obey the commandment of God over traditions Matthew 15:3-9 there is no commandment for Sunday keeping, that is a tradition of man, but there is for Sabbath-keeping spoken and written by the finger of God. Exodus 20:8-11 The majority do not take the narrow path, we are warned of this in scripture, many warnings in scripture, but yet people hold on to traditions over God's Word. We have time now to get on the ark and obey, but just like the days of Noah so will be like the Second Coming of Jesus. Noah preached to everyone to obey, but no one listened. We have time now to listen and obey, but that time is short my friend. God bless

 

[Carl Emerson]

There remains a Sabbath keeping (4th commandment) for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9-10 Just like God ceases from His work on the Sabbath as our example.

The word in Heb 4:9 is REST not 'keeping' as you claim.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The word in Heb 4:9 is REST not 'keeping' as you claim.

@LoveGodsWord

Would you mind showing our friend Carl the meaning of the Greek word rest in Hebrews 4:9 I'm short for time right now but can do so later if you're busy.

God bless!

 

[Carl Emerson]

It is interesting that according to the scriptures, the followers of Jesus (the few) were considered a minor sect and Jesus of the devil (by the many). Yet he was the promised Messiah that came unto His own and His own received Him not. I wonder what the risk of those who rejected Christ and His Word would be?

This is a common claim from folk who have a persecution complex and is a very unhealthy line of reasoning.

 

[Carl Emerson]

@LoveGodsWord

Would you mind showing our friend Carl the meaning of the Hebrew word rest in Hebrews 4:9 I'm short for time right now but can do so later if you're busy.

God bless!

KJ21
There remaineth therefore a rest for the people of God.
ASV
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
AMP
So there remains a [full and complete] Sabbath rest for the people of God.
AMPC
So then, there is still awaiting a full and complete Sabbath-rest reserved for the [true] people of God;
BRG
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
CSB
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God’s people.
CEB
So you see that a sabbath rest is left open for God’s people.
CJB
So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God’s people.
CEV
But God has promised us a Sabbath when we will rest, even though it has not yet come.
DARBY
There remains then a sabbatism to the people of God.
DLNT
Therefore a Sabbath-rest remains for the people of God.
DRA
There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God.
ERV
This shows that the seventh-day rest for God’s people is still to come.
EHV
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
ESV
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
ESVUK
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
EXB
This shows that the ·rest [L Sabbath rest; C sharing in the rest God enjoyed after Creation] for God’s people ·is still coming [or is still available; L remains].
GNV
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
GW
Therefore, a time of eternal rest exists for God’s people.
GNT
As it is, however, there still remains for God's people a rest like God's resting on the seventh day.
HCSB
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God’s people.
ICB
This shows that the seventh-day rest for God’s people is still coming.
ISV
There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep,
PHILLIPS
For if Joshua had given them the rest, we should not find God saying, at a much later date, “today”. There still exists, therefore, a full and complete rest for the people of God. And he who experiences his real rest is resting from his own work as fully as God from his.
JUB
There remains therefore a rest {Gr. Sabbatismos} for the people of God.
KJV
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
AKJV
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
LEB
Consequently a sabbath rest remains for the people of God.
TLB
So there is a full complete rest still waiting for the people of God.
MSG
And so this is still a live promise. It wasn’t canceled at the time of Joshua; otherwise, God wouldn’t keep renewing the appointment for “today.” The promise of “arrival” and “rest” is still there for God’s people. God himself is at rest. And at the end of the journey we’ll surely rest with God. So let’s keep at it and eventually arrive at the place of rest, not drop out through some sort of disobedience.
MEV
Therefore a rest remains for the people of God.
MOUNCE
Consequently there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
NOG
Therefore, a time of rest and worship exists for God’s people.
NABRE
Therefore, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God.
NASB
Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
NASB1995
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
NCB
Therefore, a Sabbath rest still remains for the people of God,
NCV
This shows that the rest for God’s people is still coming.
NET
Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.
NIRV
So there is still a Sabbath rest for God’s people.
NIV
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
NIVUK
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
NKJV
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
NLV
And so God’s people have a complete rest waiting for them.
NLT
So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God.
NMB
There remains therefore yet a rest for the people of God.
NRSV
So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God;
NRSVA
So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God;
NRSVACE
So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God;
NRSVCE
So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God;
NTE
Thus we conclude: there is still a future sabbath ‘rest’ for God’s people.
OJB
Therefore, there remains a Shabbos menuchah for the Am Hashem.
TPT
So we conclude that there is still a full and complete Sabbath-rest waiting for believers to experience.
RGT
There remains, therefore, a rest to the people of God.
RSV
So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God;
RSVCE
So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God;
TLV
So there remains a Shabbat rest for the people of God.
VOICE
There still remains a place of rest, a true Sabbath, for the people of God
WEB
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
WE
So there is still a rest for God's people, like a Sabbath day.
WYC
Therefore the sabbath is left to the people of God. [Therefore rest is left to the people of God.]
YLT
there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God,

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The word in Heb 4:9 is REST not 'keeping' as you claim.

Your quite wrong here Carl but allow me to show why from the scriptures if it might be helpful. The Greek word used in Hebrews 4:9 is "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 and literally means "sabbath keeping". The context here is that "sabbath keeping" remains for the people of God. According to the scriptures we "keep the Sabbath" by resting. Therefore "sabbath keeping" is not separate from "resting" like your trying to argue here because resting on the "seventh day" of the week uis how we "keep the Sabbath" what "Sabbath keeping" is. This agrees with Hebrews 4:3-4 that defines "Gods rest/His rest/My rest" as the "seventh day" sabbath created from the foundation of the world.

Take Care Carl.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I will go with the 60 translations that have the word REST not the ONE that had the word 'keeping'

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I will go with the 60 translations that have the word REST not the ONE that had the word 'keeping'

And not one of them agrees with anything that you said or disagrees with anything I have said which was why I did not comment on your post. As I did not need to. As posted earlier in the post you ignored, and did not respond to shows that the Greek word used in Hebrews 4:9 is "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 and literally means "sabbath keeping". The context here is that "sabbath keeping" remains or is left behind for the people of God. According to the scriptures we "keep the Sabbath" by resting. This agrees with Hebrews 4:3-4 that defines "Gods rest/His rest/My rest" as the "seventh day" sabbath created from the foundation of the world. Resting is not separate from how we keep the Sabbath as we keep the Sabbath by resting on it. Your trying to make an argument that "Sabbath keeping" is different from resting on the Sabbath when they are the same thing.

Take Care Carl

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I will go with the 60 translations that have the word REST not the ONE that had the word 'keeping'

As posted earlier I do not have any problems if the translations use "Sabbath rest" or "Sabbath keeping" as they are the same thing. According to the scripture and the Greek we "keep the Sabbath" by resting on the "seventh day" of the week. However if your going to make these claims in your post (highlighted in red above) you may want to check what you have posted or delete those translations that disagree with you that you wrote in your post....e.g. you also included the following translation that disagrees with what you posted above...

CJB
So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God’s people.

............

You may also want to consider the Aramaic

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

.............

Worrell New Testament
Consequently, there remains a sabbath-keeping for the people of God.

A Faithful Version
There remains, therefore, Sabbath keeping for the people of God.

................

As posted earlier; Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl or disagrees with anything I have said which was why I did not comment on your parallel translation post as I did not need to. Your making arguments that no one is arguing about because Sabbath keeping is the same as Sabbath resting because resting is how we keep the Sabbath. We cannot separate resting from Sabbath keeping as they are one and the same thing according to the scriptures.

As posted earlier in the post you did not respond to the Greek word used in Hebrews 4:9 is "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 and literally means "sabbath keeping". The context here is that "sabbath keeping" remains or is left behind for the people of God. According to the scriptures we "keep the Sabbath" by resting. This agrees with Hebrews 4:3-4 that defines "Gods rest/His rest/My rest" as the "seventh day" sabbath created from the foundation of the world.


Take Care Carl

 

[HARK!]

MOD HAT ON

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[Carl Emerson]

As posted earlier I do not have any problems if the translations use "Sabbath rest" or "Sabbath keeping" as according to the scripture and the Greek we "keep the Sabbath" by resting on the "seventh day" of the week. However if your going to make these claims in your post (highlighted in red) you may want to check what you have posted or delete those translations that disagree with you that you wrote in your post....e.g. you also included the following translation that disagrees with what you posted above...

CJB
So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God’s people.

............

You may also want to consider the Aramaic

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

.............

Worrell New Testament
Consequently, there remains a sabbath-keeping for the people of God.

A Faithful Version
There remains, therefore, Sabbath keeping for the people of God.

................

As posted earlier; Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl or disagrees with anything I have said which was why I did not comment on your parallel translation post as I did not need to. As posted earlier in the post you did not respond to the Greek word used in Hebrews 4:9 is "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 and literally means "sabbath keeping". The context here is that "sabbath keeping" remains or is left behind for the people of God. According to the scriptures we "keep the Sabbath" by resting. This agrees with Hebrews 4:3-4 that defines "Gods rest/His rest/My rest" as the "seventh day" sabbath created from the foundation of the world.


Take Care Carl

Yes the CJB is the ONE listed on Bible Gateway I referred to...

"Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl...

Please desist from such outrageous claims.

60 to me - one to you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes the CJB is the ONE listed on Bible Gateway I referred to...

"Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl...

Please desist from such outrageous claims.

60 to me - one to you.

Actually Carl, it is none to you. I have never argued that we do not keep the Sabbath by resting. That is what your trying to do here by claiming that resting is different to what it means to keep the Sabbath or Sabbath keeping. Where as the scriptures and the Greek are in disagreement with you as "keeping the Sabbath" of "Sabbath keeping is done by "resting" (see Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). As posted earlier none of those translations disagree with anything that has been shared with you here.

 

[Irkle Berserkle]

I just checked in to see how and why this thread still has life. I see that a thread that began with the ostensible premise "my beliefs carry little risk EVEN IF I'M WRONG" has morphed into the inevitable "I'M RIGHT and YOU'RE WRONG!" screech-fest. Very edifying. I guess I should've realized the actual premise of the OP was "my beliefs carry little risk even if I'm wrong, but of course I'M NOT!"

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I just checked in to see how and why this thread still has life. I see that a thread that began with the ostensible premise "my beliefs carry little risk EVEN IF I'M WRONG" has morphed into the inevitable "I'M RIGHT and YOU'RE WRONG!" screech-fest. Very edifying. I guess I should've realized the actual premise of the OP was "my beliefs carry little risk even if I'm wrong, but of course I'M NOT!"

What I think is edifying is the scriptures that God guides us to with His Spirit. How are you going to know what is true and what is not true without God's Spirit and over 40,000 different forms of Christianity all professing to know the truth of God's Word? There is nothing wrong with the OP. There is indeed risk in what we choose to believe or not believe according to the scriptures as Gods' salvation is conditional to believing and following what God's Word says.

 

[Carl Emerson]

As posted earlier I do not have any problems if the translations use "Sabbath rest" or "Sabbath keeping" as they are the same thing. According to the scripture and the Greek we "keep the Sabbath" by resting on the "seventh day" of the week. However if your going to make these claims in your post (highlighted in red above) you may want to check what you have posted or delete those translations that disagree with you that you wrote in your post....e.g. you also included the following translation that disagrees with what you posted above...

I prefer to be transparent so I did include the ONE that aligned with your take along with the 60 that agreed with me.

Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl

You cant be serious...

60 translations agree with my take.

ONE agrees with yours.

We cannot separate resting from Sabbath keeping as they are one and the same thing according to the scriptures.

No they are not.

The Sabbath rest being offered TODAY in the New Covenant is perpetual and an invitation to participate in the Rest of God in His 7th creation day. (Heb 4)

This is a permanent rest and has nothing to do with a day of the week.

Paul made it clear that observance of a day was optional.

Rom 14:
5 One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

I wont accept your take on the Greek used in Heb 4:9 when is doesn't align with modern translations.

Which leads to a very important question.

Do you believe that God has watched over the preservation of His Word by guiding the translators or not.

If yes, then you shouldn't be referring to obscure translations to bolster your arguments.

If no, then your claim to be presenting the Truth by presenting Scripture falls away.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I prefer to be transparent so I did include the ONE that aligned with your take along with the 60 that agreed with me.
You cant be serious... 60 translations agree with my take. ONE agrees with yours.

Of course I am absolutely serious Carl. Why? Let me explain from the scriptures. The simple reason is because your making arguments no one is making. Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl or disagrees with anything I have said which was why I did not comment on your parallel translation post earlier as I never needed to because Sabbath keeping is the same as Sabbath resting because it is by resting on the Sabbath is how we keep the Sabbath. We cannot separate resting on the Sabbath from keeping the Sabbath because we keep the Sabbath by resting as they are one and the same thing according to the scriptures provided and shown to you earlier. Now if "Sabbath rest" or resting on the Sabbath is the same or has the same meaning as "Sabbath keeping" then what argument do you have when both terms mean the same thing? You have none. You were shown that the Greek meaning used in Hebrews 4:9 is "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 which literally means "sabbath keeping". The context here is that "sabbath keeping" remains or is left behind for the people of God. According to the scriptures we "keep the Sabbath" by resting. This agrees with Hebrews 4:3-4 that defines "Gods rest/His rest/My rest" as the "seventh day" sabbath created from the foundation of the world. My point here is that if "Sabbath keeping" is done by "resting" on the Sabbath no translation disagrees with that I have posted to you and no translation agrees with you that resting on the Sabbath is different to "Sabbath keeping" You were shown 5 different parallel translations showing this and the original Greek word meanings not one. Bottom line is there is nothing that you have posted here that is in disagreement with what I have already shared with you from the scriptures.

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ We cannot separate resting from Sabbath keeping as they are one and the same thing according to the scriptures.

Your response here...

No they are not. The Sabbath rest being offered TODAY in the New Covenant is perpetual and an invitation to participate in the Rest of God in His 7th creation day. (Heb 4) This is a permanent rest and has nothing to do with a day of the week.

As posted earlier you may want to consider scripture context. The reason why God's people in the wilderness did not enter into God's rest was because they hardened their heart in "unbelief and sin" (Hebrews 3). Gods' rest/His rest/My rest, is defined in Hebrews 4:3-4 as "the seventh day" created from the foundation of the world. This is the scripture contexts that defines "Gods' rest" that God's people could not enter into because they hardened their hearts in unbelief to God's Word and sin (breaking God's commandments). There is not a single scripture in Hebrews 4 that says anywhere that this rest is a permanent rest or that Jesus is the Sabbath. That is reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. The only definition of the creation Sabbath created from the foundation of the world is found in Exodus 20:10 where is says "the seventh day" is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. Now that we have established scripture context and subject matter. Hebrews 4:9 is saying that it remains or is left behind for the people of God to keep the Sabbath by resting on it. Those who believe Gods' Word enter into Gods' rest because they believe and follow God's Word *Hebrews 4:2-3 For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. God's rest here is the Sabbath rest of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3).

Paul made it clear that observance of a day was optional. Rom 14: 5 One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Paul did not say anywhere that keeping the Sabbath is optional. Where does it say in Romans 14 anywhere that Paul is saying keeping the Sabbath is optional? Your reading that into the scripture. The context of Romans 14 is eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking anywhere about what days God esteems and does not even mention the Sabbath let alone the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment being optional.

I wont accept your take on the Greek used in Heb 4:9 when is doesn't align with modern translations. Which leads to a very important question. Do you believe that God has watched over the preservation of His Word by guiding the translators or not. If yes, then you shouldn't be referring to obscure translations to bolster your arguments. If no, then your claim to be presenting the Truth by presenting Scripture falls away.

This section of your post Carl seems to have a misunderstanding in regards to what has been shared with you. All the translations agree with that has been shared with you here. "Sabbath keeping" is the same as "Sabbath resting" they are not different things. We keep the Sabbath by resting on it the "seventh day" of the week. However no one enters into God's rest in the seventh day of the week if they do not believe and follow what God's Word says. This is the warning given in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 we are not to harden our hearts to. Your argument seems to be "Sabbath keeping" is different to "Sabbath resting" that remains for the people of God to enter into by faith. That is not the meaning of the Greek word "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 which literally means "sabbath keeping" by "resting" on the "seventh day" of the week.

Take Care Carl.

 

[Fervent]

I prefer to be transparent so I did include the ONE that aligned with your take along with the 60 that agreed with me.



You cant be serious...

60 translations agree with my take.

ONE agrees with yours.



No they are not.

The Sabbath rest being offered TODAY in the New Covenant is perpetual and an invitation to participate in the Rest of God in His 7th creation day. (Heb 4)

This is a permanent rest and has nothing to do with a day of the week.

Paul made it clear that observance of a day was optional.

Rom 14:
5 One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

I wont accept your take on the Greek used in Heb 4:9 when is doesn't align with modern translations.

Which leads to a very important question.

Do you believe that God has watched over the preservation of His Word by guiding the translators or not.

If yes, then you shouldn't be referring to obscure translations to bolster your arguments.

If no, then your claim to be presenting the Truth by presenting Scripture falls away.

There's a subtle twist happening. Technically, there is no difference between Sabbath rest and Sabbath "keeping." However, as with the OT legalists there is a modern legalism that makes "keeping" something entirely different. Sabbath keeping in the rest form is nothing more than refraining from work and relying on God for the prescribed period. The enemies of Christ in His day would ask "why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" because they missed what it meant to honor the Sabbath in the exact same way.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Of course I am absolutely serious Carl. Why? Let me explain from the scriptures. The simple reason is because your making arguments no one is making. Not one of those translations agrees with anything your promoting here Carl or disagrees with anything I have said which was why I did not comment on your parallel translation post earlier as I never needed to because Sabbath keeping is the same as Sabbath resting because it is by resting on the Sabbath is how we keep the Sabbath. We cannot separate resting on the Sabbath from keeping the Sabbath because we keep the Sabbath by resting as they are one and the same thing according to the scriptures provided and shown to you earlier. Now if "Sabbath rest" or resting on the Sabbath is the same or has the same meaning as "Sabbath keeping" then what argument do you have when both terms mean the same thing? You have none. You were shown that the Greek meaning used in Hebrews 4:9 is "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 which literally means "sabbath keeping". The context here is that "sabbath keeping" remains or is left behind for the people of God. According to the scriptures we "keep the Sabbath" by resting. This agrees with Hebrews 4:3-4 that defines "Gods rest/His rest/My rest" as the "seventh day" sabbath created from the foundation of the world. My point here is that if "Sabbath keeping" is done by "resting" on the Sabbath no translation disagrees with that I have posted to you and no translation agrees with you that resting on the Sabbath is different to "Sabbath keeping" You were shown 5 different parallel translations showing this and the original Greek word meanings not one. Bottom line is there is nothing that you have posted here that is in disagreement with what I have already shared with you from the scriptures.

Your response here...

As posted earlier you may want to consider scripture context. The reason why God's people in the wilderness did not enter into God's rest was because they hardened their heart in "unbelief and sin" (Hebrews 3). Gods' rest/His rest/My rest, is defined in Hebrews 4:3-4 as "the seventh day" created from the foundation of the world. This is the scripture contexts that defines "Gods' rest" that God's people could not enter into because they hardened their hearts in unbelief to God's Word and sin (breaking God's commandments). There is not a single scripture in Hebrews 4 that says anywhere that this rest is a permanent rest or that Jesus is the Sabbath. That is reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. The only definition of the creation Sabbath created from the foundation of the world is found in Exodus 20:10 where is says "the seventh day" is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. Now that we have established scripture context and subject matter. Hebrews 4:9 is saying that it remains or is left behind for the people of God to keep the Sabbath by resting on it. Those who believe Gods' Word enter into Gods' rest because they believe and follow God's Word *Hebrews 4:2-3 For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. God's rest here is the Sabbath rest of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3).

Paul did not say anywhere that keeping the Sabbath is optional. Where does it say in Romans 14 anywhere that Paul is saying keeping the Sabbath is optional? Your reading that into the scripture. The context of Romans 14 is eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking anywhere about what days God esteems and does not even mention the Sabbath let alone the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment being optional.

This section of your post Carl seems to have a misunderstanding in regards to what has been shared with you. All the translations agree with that has been shared with you here. "Sabbath keeping" is the same as "Sabbath resting" they are not different things. We keep the Sabbath by resting on it the "seventh day" of the week. However no one enters into God's rest in the seventh day of the week if they do not believe and follow what God's Word says. This is the warning given in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 we are not to harden our hearts to. Your argument seems to be "Sabbath keeping" is different to "Sabbath resting" that remains for the people of God to enter into by faith. That is not the meaning of the Greek word "σαββατισμός (sabbatismós)" G4520 which literally means "sabbath keeping" by "resting" on the "seventh day" of the week.

Take Care Carl.

I notice you didn't answer my question about God watching over the translation of scripture - I still await your response on that important matter.

As for Sabbath Keeping and Sabbath rest, there is a vast difference in meaning.

In the New Covenant Sabbath Rest is given as a gift to believers through the obedience of Christ.

This has nothing to do with keeping a day, it is instead a daily reality we are to walk in by faith.

You will notice that the invitation to this rest is given 'today' meaning any day it is made available by faith.

In the Old Covenant, Seventh Day Sabbath Observance was mandatory and to be Kept.

For that reason modern scholars translating Hebrews, speak of Sabbath Rest and not Sabbath Keeping.

Romans 14:5 clearly refers to there being no sin in regarding all days alike.

Judging others regarding the observance of a day is off limits.

For this reason I don't have a problem with Sabbath Day observance.

Nor should should there be a problem with those who don't observe.

Col 2:
"...no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Lastly, if you could find the grace to respond to my question I would be most appreciative.

I repeat it again...

Do you believe that God has watched over the preservation of His Word by guiding the modern translators or not.
If yes, then you shouldn't be referring to obscure translations to bolster your arguments.
If no, then your claim to be presenting the Truth by presenting Scripture falls away.
Which is it ???

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I notice you didn't answer my question about God watching over the translation of scripture - I still await your response on that important matter.

As for Sabbath Keeping and Sabbath rest, there is a vast difference in meaning.

In the New Covenant Sabbath Rest is given as a gift to believers through the obedience of Christ.

This has nothing to do with keeping a day, it is instead a daily reality we are to walk in by faith.

You will notice that the invitation to this rest is given 'today' meaning any day it is made available by faith.

In the Old Covenant, Seventh Day Sabbath Observance was mandatory and to be Kept.

For that reason modern scholars translating Hebrews, speak of Sabbath Rest and not Sabbath Keeping.

Romans 14:5 clearly refers to there being no sin in regarding all days alike.

Judging others regarding the observance of a day is off limits.

For this reason I don't have a problem with Sabbath Day observance.

Nor should should there be a problem with those who don't observe.

Col 2:
"...no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Lastly, if you could find the grace to respond to my question I would be most appreciative.

I repeat it again...

Do you believe that God has watched over the preservation of His Word by guiding the modern translators or not.
If yes, then you shouldn't be referring to obscure translations to bolster your arguments.
If no, then your claim to be presenting the Truth by presenting Scripture falls away.
Which is it ???

At the end of the day, we are not the ones you need to convince the 4th commandment that God told us to Remember and keep holy by resting from our work should be forgotten.

Rest in Christ is not the Sabbath rest. Sabbath is defined by God as being on the seventh day of the week. Exodus 20:8-11

It can’t be anymore clearer:

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Luke 23:56 And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

 

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I prefer to be transparent so I did include the ONE that aligned with your take along with the 60 that agreed with me.

The Sabbath rest being offered TODAY in the New Covenant is perpetual and an invitation to participate in the Rest of God in His 7th creation day. (Heb 4)
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Let’s look at the scripture does Hebrews 4 says the Sabbath rest is defined as today?

Hebrews 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Where does it say “today” is now the Sabbath rest. You are adding to what is not there. It does give this warning:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
This is the warning from the verse right before this:

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience

What did they disobey?

Ezekiel 20: 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths.

Hebrews 4:9 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.

Where does God rest from His works, Genesis 2:1-3 and repeated in the Sabbath commandments Exodus 20:8-11 and we are to rest on the seventh day and keep holy like Gods did as our example and this Sabbath day rest remains for God’s people.

Like we see for eternity Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.