If the Discovery Institute Listened to Me

[AV1611VET]

Not that I'm aware of.
But the claim has been made.

Then what's your point?

 

[Mr Laurier]

Then what's your point?

my point is that preachers make false claims all the time.

 

[AV1611VET]

my point is that preachers make false claims all the time.

So let me get this straight.

A preacher says a lady visited Darwin before his death, Wikipedia says that's possibly true, and then you chime in and say it is a false claim?

I'll go with what the preacher said.

 

[Mr Laurier]

So let me get this straight.

A preacher says a lady visited Darwin before his death, Wikipedia says that's possibly true, and then you chime in and say it is a false claim?

I'll go with what the preacher said.

Its not about me.
And you will always find your money to be gone.

 

[AV1611VET]

Its not about me.

Okay, I won't include you then.

A preacher says Lady Hope did it as documented.

Wikipedia says it's possibly true.

I'll go with it happening.

And you will always find your money to be gone.

Can I come to your place for breakfast?

 

[Mr Laurier]

Okay, I won't include you then.

A preacher says Lady Hope did it as documented.

Wikipedia says it's possibly true.

I'll go with it happening.

Can I come to your place for breakfast?

Can I trust you to not claim my apartment for your god?

 

[Mr Laurier]

AV.
Why is it so important for creationists to have Mr Darwin converting back to christianity before he died?
Given that he had already accepted evolution before he deconverted from christianity. His reversing his stance on Jesus, has no impact on his research.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV.
Why is it so important for creationists to have Mr Darwin converting back to christianity before he died?
Given that he had already accepted evolution before he deconverted from christianity. His reversing his stance on Jesus, has no impact on his research.

Beats me, Dan.

I seriously don't know what the issue is either.

But I like to think that Mr Darwin is in Heaven, not Hell.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Beats me, Dan.

I seriously don't know what the issue is either.

But I like to think that Mr Darwin is in Heaven, not Hell.

Why must he be in either place?
Why not on the bridge of the starship Enterprise? Or the walls of Gondor?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why must he be in either place?

I suspect you know why: given your Catholic upbringing.

Why not on the bridge of the starship Enterprise?

For two reasons:

1. His remains would stink up the Museum of Pop Culture.
2. His progeny would probably complain about he being removed from Westminster Abbey.

Or the walls of Gondor?

To do that, his remains would have to be atomized, then reduced to energy, then impressed on to the engrams of whomever authored this fictitious place.

And that would be a task that is beyond the ability of current technology to perform.

(Besides and again, I'm sure his family would still complain about moving his remains.)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So let me get this straight.

A preacher says a lady visited Darwin before his death, Wikipedia says that's possibly true, and then you chime in and say it is a false claim?

I'll go with what the preacher said.

Even 'Answers in Genesis' thinks the story is 'untenable' and 'unsupportable': Darwin’s Deathbed Conversion—a Legend?

 

[AV1611VET]

Even 'Answers in Genesis' thinks the story is 'untenable' and 'unsupportable': Darwin’s Deathbed Conversion—a Legend?

Well I do like the idea of the story.

I like to think that Charles Darwin died a saved man.

Maybe that's why she's called Lady "Hope"?

And as for Answers in Genesis, if they want to think Charles Darwin is in Hell, that's their prerogative.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well I do like the idea of the story.

I like to think that Charles Darwin died a saved man.

Maybe that's why she's called Lady "Hope"?

And as for Answers in Genesis, if they want to think Charles Darwin is in Hell, that's their prerogative.

It appears that your motive is to smear the man. Since he can't fight back that is rather petty on your part.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Well I do like the idea of the story.

I like to think that Charles Darwin died a saved man.

Maybe that's why she's called Lady "Hope"?

I like to think that you will learn to distinguish between what you like to think and what is probably true.

And as for Answers in Genesis, if they want to think Charles Darwin is in Hell, that's their prerogative.

There's no indication that they do think that.

 

[Mr Laurier]

I suspect you know why: given your Catholic upbringing.

For two reasons:

1. His remains would stink up the Museum of Pop Culture.
2. His progeny would probably complain about he being removed from Westminster Abbey.

To do that, his remains would have to be atomized, then reduced to energy, then impressed on to the engrams of whomever authored this fictitious place.

And that would be a task that is beyond the ability of current technology to perform.

(Besides and again, I'm sure his family would still complain about moving his remains.)

Its a shame you cant bring yourself to accept that Mr Darwin is in Westminster. And is not in any fictional places.
Not heaven,
Not hell,
Not Gondor,
Not any of them.

But there is more though. You do believe that having him reconvert back to christianity, would somehow invalidate all his research and observations.
You do believe that he renounced his work as a biologist as well.
And you believe that the whole of evolutionary biology rests on Darwin being an atheist.
A position refuted by every fact, but which creationists still cling to.
Am I correct in this? Or am I mistaken?

 

[AV1611VET]

It appears that your motive is to smear the man. Since he can't fight back that is rather petty on your part.

1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

That "all men" includes Charles Darwin.

 

[Subduction Zone]

1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

That "all men" includes Charles Darwin.

So now you are using a "there is no God" argument.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like to think that you will learn to distinguish between what you like to think and what is probably true.

Probably? or possibly?

That Hope visited Darwin is possibly true,

Wikipedia uses "possibly."

SOURCE

There's no indication that they do think that.

According to Wikipedia:

That Hope visited Darwin is possibly true, though denied by Darwin's family, but her interpretation of what Darwin said at the putative interview is much less likely.

So it is Darwin's children that started the rumor that it didn't happen.

Choose whom you care to believe, and let me do the same.

I gave you a specific reason why I want to believe what I believe.

Are you willing to do the same?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Probably? or possibly?

Wikipedia uses "possibly."

SOURCE

According to Wikipedia:

So it is Darwin's children that started the rumor that it didn't happen.

Choose whom you care to believe, and let me do the same.

I gave you a specific reason why I want to believe what I believe.

Are you willing to do the same?

I do not think that anyone believes your claimed reason. If that were true it would make more sense to keep it to yourself.

 

[AV1611VET]

Its a shame you cant bring yourself to accept that Mr Darwin is in Westminster.

I beg your pardon?

Here's a reply I made to Subduction Zone years ago:

No respect for the dead?

He's good enough to have his pic on the £10 note, he has a city named after him, and he's buried in Westminster Abbey -- but he's not good enough to have a theory named after him?

Side note: He was born in Shrewsbury. If you're an evolutionist, let's see if you see what I see here (and I'm not an evolutionist).

Does that sound to you like I can't bring myself to accept that Mr Darwin is in Westminster?

But there is more though. You do believe that having him reconvert back to christianity, would somehow invalidate all his research and observations.
You do believe that he renounced his work as a biologist as well.
And you believe that the whole of evolutionary biology rests on Darwin being an atheist.
A position refuted by every fact, but which creationists still cling to.
Am I correct in this? Or am I mistaken?

You are mostly correct.