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You quoted this line, "the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

That covenant was the old covenant, an obsolete covenant. The very words of that old covenant, the book of the law, is an obsolete book.

We are in a new covenant now, a covenant of grace, a covenant based on Christ.

The Spirit has written the law of love upon our hearts.

Which law do you think God is okay with you breaking?

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that isin the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

God spoke these with with His own voice to a Nation and wrote these with His own Finger. God kept His laws in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple which is also revealed to be in Heaven Revelation 11:19. If you don’t want to obey these now, why do you think it would change when Jesus comes back for His saints which according to scripture keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation 14:12

God wrote His laws in the New Covenant on our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10, Jer. 31:33. These are not my laws so you don’t need to convince me you don’t need to obey what God personally wrote for us. We will all stand before Jesus on judgement day. Yes we are saved by grace, for all have sinned, but we should repent and turn from sin Hebrews 10:26. What does scripture say about how we will be judged?

Take care
 
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Hello @Icyspark to answer your question.."Apart from Jesus none of the three are capable of not sinning"...

...without Me, you can do nothing...


Hi pasifika,

I agree. Yet Paul, John and Peter all admonish believers to stop sinning. For bbbbbbb to say, "neither yourself nor any other SDA, including Mrs. White, have kept God's commandments, nor have they ever been actually capable of doing it" is to be speaking into a vacuum void of biblical foundation. Being like Jesus is the goal and when we are living by the Spirit we will not be doing those things which are displeasing to Him.


...without Me, you can do nothing...


Said another way: "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength."

God bless.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 
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Which law do you think God is okay with you breaking?

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that isin the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

God spoke these with with His own voice to a Nation and wrote these with His own Finger. God kept His laws in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple which is also revealed to be in Heaven Revelation 11:19. If you don’t want to obey these now, why do you think it would change when Jesus comes back for His saints which according to scripture keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation 14:12

God wrote His laws in the New Covenant on our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10, Jer. 31:33. These are not my laws so you don’t need to convince me you don’t need to obey what God personally wrote for us. We will all stand before Jesus on judgement day. Yes we are saved by grace, but how are we judged?

Take care
You omitted an important verse.

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

We know that God is not addressing the Gentile nations.

You cannot inflict the Gentile nations with the law, because God was not addressing the Gentile nations.

We are not judged as Christians. The sheep cannot sin.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

1 John 4:17
By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
 
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You omitted an important verse.

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

We know that God is not addressing the Gentile nations.

You cannot inflict the Gentile nations with the law, because God was not addressing the Gentile nations.

We are not judged as Christians. The sheep cannot sin.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

1 John 4:17
By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

I notice you did not answer the question. So do you think you are free to worship other gods, bow to idols, break God’s holy Sabbath day, lie, steal, covet, murder and commit adultery?

Did you know that Israel is synonymous for God’s people i.e. people who follow the Word of God? There is no Jew, Greek, man or women if you are in Christ. Gal 3:28

Here are some other scriptures on how we will be judged. Those who believe in God also obey God. Faith does not void the law. Romans 3:31

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

One of the last verses in the Bible before the Revelations of Jesus Christ

Revelation 22:9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.” 10 And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. 11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Jesus Testifies to the Churches
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and theEnd, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Take care
 
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Haven’t we been though this before?

It’s the condemnation of the law that kills, not God’s laws that was personally written by the hand of God ands kept in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple which is also revealed in heaven Revelation 11:19

God’s laws are written on the heart and mind Hebrews 8:10, Jer 31:33. The application of the law changed, not the law. We obey because we love. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

We are BLESSED when we obey Revelation 22:14 I can’t speak for you, but I want God to bless me and obeying His laws are not burdensome because I love God with all my heart

We will have to agree to disagree. Take care.
So what law that you received this condemnation? Isn't the same law you meant to be keeping?
 
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The saints are those who keep God’s commandments. Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14.

Jesus would never need to have died for us, if we are free to sin.

The greatest deception from Satan who deceives the whole world is believing we are free to sin. Who do you think wants us to sin? The Bible tells us this answer.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus said, if you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 and this is all of the commandments of God Matthew 5:19. We are blessed when we keep the commandments Revelation 22:14 and lost for those who has not repented from their sins Revelation 22:15

We are given this warning Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

This idea that we can sin freely because Jesus died for our sins is not biblical. Jesus died so we can be forgiven when we repent. True repentance means turning from sin and walking in the Spirit who is given for those who obey. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

God’s laws includes God’s Ten Commandment that God personally wrote with His own finger, personally spoke with His own voice to a whole Nation and kept in the ark of The Covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple, which is revealed to be also in Heaven Revelation 11:19

I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. Psalms 40:8

God bless

Even a heathen will simply tell you that, it is wrong to live in sin. You have completely misunderstood me there. No one is saying it is ok to sin. I am simply saying, we have to receive Christ 1st & then we start to live righteously only in Him. And by the way, how do we follow a law that was never given to us outsiders in the first place? Yes! this law was for the Israelites & if we had already been living back then, it would never have applied to us anyway..

Read Exodus properly and you will soon realise that, these commandments were never even meant for us outsiders. Be careful (sabbathkeepers) or you might still be wearing a veil on your hearts, which is preventing you from seeing Christ. Please read the following verses very carefully.

I urge you! Do not be held back by all those books that were written by Ellen White. Like many she was just a deceived poor soul, who needed to be delivered...

2 Corinthians 3
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3 Are we beginning to commend ourselvesagain? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as


The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death,which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. P16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Ephesians 2:11-17
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Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ
11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hopeand without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.



 
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Even a heathen will simply tell you that, it is wrong to live in sin. You have completely misunderstood me there. No one is saying it is ok to sin. I am simply saying, we have to receive Christ 1st & then we start to live righteously only in Him. And by the way, how do we follow a law that was never given to us outsiders in the first place? Yes! this law was for the Israelites & if we had already been living back then, it would never have applied to us anyway..

Read Exodus properly and you will soon realise that, these commandments were never even meant for us outsiders. Be careful (sabbathkeepers) or you might still be wearing a veil on your hearts, which is preventing you from seeing Christ. Please read the following verses very carefully.

I urge you! Do not be held back by all those books that were written by Ellen White. Like many she was just a deceived poor soul, who needed to be delivered...

2 Corinthians 3
New International Version

3 Are we beginning to commend ourselvesagain? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as


The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death,which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. P16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Ephesians 2:11-17
New International Version

Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ
11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hopeand without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.



Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; James 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. According to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we continue in known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word) after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject it, there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come.

Let's talk 2 Corinthians 3? What is the ministry that brings death? I have no idea why your posting Ephesians 2. Most of your post here are your comments unsupported by the scriptures. Did you want to prayerfully discuss the scriptures in detail with me?

Take Care.
 
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Yup to you both Bobryan & LoveGodsword, please let us keep searching God's word diligently, as we are now. I will be completely honest with you, regarding my understanding of the Sabbath issue, according to the scriptures. I disagree with the idea of observing the law, which was done away with at the cross. It is the one behind the shadow that we should now be chasing after and yet we still continue to chase after the shadow. If the law isn't dead yet, then we cannot marry Jesus, it is as simple as that...


Hi splash- splash,

According to Hebrews in the New Covenant the Lord writes His laws in the hearts and on the minds of believers. What plurality of laws would you like to suggest that God is writing on the hearts of believers?

Hebrews 10:16
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”

Have you ever heard the supposed number of Old Testament laws? Someone took the time to count them all and came up with 613. But did you know that someone also took the time to count the commands in the New Testament? That number is even higher--1050! I'm just wondering what you do with all of these commands?

As for me, I don't find that the reason God had to have a new covenant had to do with what the people covenanted/agreed to do (i.e. obey God's laws). God is the Author of those laws and just as He is perfect, so too are all of His laws. There would obviously be no reason to find fault with what a perfect God commanded.

So what reason does the Bible give for why there was a need for a new covenant? Hebrews 8:8 says, "God found fault with the people ..." Hmm. But why did He find "fault with the people"? God answers: "because they did not remain faithful to my covenant."

A covenant simply means an agreement between two parties. In the case of the old agreement it was between God and the people of Israel. What they both agreed to was that Israel should keep all of God's commandments. Since there was nothing wrong with the commandments (as in "God found fault with the people"), then what reason would you like to suggest that He jettison the law that was given to identify sin? If there is no law, then there is no sin. If there's no sin, then there are no sinners. If there are no sinners, then there is no need for a Savior. If there's no need for a Savior, then there's no need for Jesus. Is that really what you're arguing for?

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 
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We know that God is not addressing the Gentile nations.

You cannot inflict the Gentile nations with the law, because God was not addressing the Gentile nations.

Where do you find the “Gentile Gate” into God’s Kingdom of the New Jerusalem? If you are not part of God’s Israel i.e. God’s people whom God gave a covenant of His laws written in our hearts and minds Hebrew 8:10, Jer. 31:33. God wrote His holy laws with His own finger and spoke them to with His own voice to a whole Nation. God’s laws were kept in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s temple which is also revealed in Heaven Revelation 11:19. God’s laws are no longer on stone but written in the heart and we should obey because of LOVE John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 and they are written in our minds so we remember to do them.

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. James 1:22

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Revelation 21: 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

There is no gentile gate, so if you are part of the promise and heir you are part of God’s Israel and God’s Israel follows the law of God that was kept, as our example by Jesus and the apostles.

God bless
 
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1. Sabbath as a Memorial
Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Exodus 20:8-11
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

One of the reasons Jesus gives for regularly observing His Sabbath is in reference to the singular monumental event in this world's history—its creation. The Sabbath is a weekly reminder that Jesus created this Earth (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-17). It is a day to rest from our works just as Jesus rested from His (Hebrews 4:7-10). It is to this very fact of being the Creator that Jesus appeals to over and over in the Scriptures as validation for His claim to being the one and only true God (c.f. 1 Chronicles 16:23-27; 2 Kings 19:15; 2 Chronicles 2:12; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 33:6; 96:5; 102:25-27; 115:15; 121:2; Isaiah 37:16; 40:20; 45:18; Jeremiah 10:12; 27:5; 32:17; 33:2, 3; 51:15; Jonah 1:9; Job 26:7; Acts 4:24; 14:15; 17:24; Revelation 14:7).

Psalm 111:2-4
Great are the works of the LORD; they are pondered by all who delight in them. Glorious and majestic are his deeds, and his righteousness endures forever. He has caused his wonders to be remembered; the LORD is gracious and compassionate.

If Jesus says to "Remember the Sabbath," and this remembering is directly connected to the "wonders" of His creation, why is it that people find this something they wish to forget? If one were to develop a hierarchy of the most important events in human history would not the act of creation rank toward the very top? Aside from the life, death and resurrection of the Creator, what other event do you suppose would be more worthy of remembering? Interestingly, even though Jesus nor His disciples ever hinted at any regularly repeating recognition for His resurrection, there are some who insist that we honor Sunday as a resurrection memorial. So while we have no divine command for a weekly remembering of the resurrection (making it a tradition of men), we likewise have no command overturning the weekly remembering of the creation. About this Jesus asks, "Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?"

2. A Day for Our Benefit
Isaiah 58:13-14
“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.” The mouth of the LORD has spoken.

Through His prophet Isaiah, Jesus portrays His holy day as something to delight in. If Jesus says to delight in His Sabbath I'm certain that there must be a blessing to be obtained by observing the day He blessed.

Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man (444 anthropos; human being), not man for the Sabbath.

Not only is the Sabbath affirmed as something to "delight" in, but Jesus Himself takes the opportunity to make it clear that when He made the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation it was made for the benefit of all humanity. The word for man in this text is "anthropos" which means people. Thus the Sabbath is for men and women, Jews and Gentiles, slaves and those who are free. All humanity can delight in the benefits of having a day off to remember their Creator and to rest from their own works.

3. Jesus Kept the Sabbath
Luke 4:16
[Jesus] went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.

It was Jesus's regular practice to assemble together with other believers on the Sabbath day. Leviticus 23:3 says that the Sabbath is "a day of sacred assembly." You can certainly worship God on all days of the week, but the Sabbath is the day Jesus set aside for worshipping with other believers in a corporate setting. It is a day set apart—a "holy day"—on which holy people are to rest from their own works and be blessed on the day that Jesus blessed.

1 Peter 2:21
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

Jesus is our example in all things and following the things He did should not give anyone cause for concern. On the contrary, it is in doing those things which Jesus never did and never told us to do which we should seriously question the safety of such position. Keeping the Sabbath is in keeping with following Jesus's steps.

1 John 2:6
Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.

Again, if we are to "walk as Jesus did" it is a simple thing to ascertain that the example He left was to regularly assemble together with believers on the day He personally blessed and continues to make holy.

4. Disciples Kept the Sabbath After the Cross
Luke 23:56
Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Because Jesus never intended to put an end to the regular seven day cycle He set in motion for humanity's (anthropos) benefit and "delight," Jesus never informed them that it was no longer necessary to observe the Sabbath after His death. This is confirmed by the fact that His closest followers—those who went out of their way to see to His burial preparations—still "rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment." If Jesus did not intend for the Sabbath to be included in His new covenant then He needed to add this to His will before He died. After the death of the Testator nothing can be added or subtracted from that person's will (see Hebrews 9:16-17).

5. Paul Kept the Sabbath

Acts 17:2, 3
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ,” he said.

After his conversion (recorded in Acts 9) Paul continues his "custom" of going to synagogue on the Sabbath. Not only was this his regular habit but the Bible also records that Paul preached to both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath for a year and a half!

Acts 18:4, 11
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.


So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

So, "Every Sabbath" for a "year and a half" Paul reasons in the synagogue with both Jews and Greeks (i.e. Gentiles). That's a biblical record of 76 Sabbaths in which Paul is preaching to Jews and Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

As we would expect from an apostle of Christ, Paul acknowledges that he follows "the example of Christ." Paul's actions testify to the fact that "his custom" of Sabbath observance was the same as the custom of Jesus. Paul then goes on to assert that you should not only follow Christ's example but you should also follow his own example. Are you following the examples left for you by both Jesus and Paul?

6. Gentiles Kept the Sabbath
Acts 13:42-45
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.


On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.

Some people suggest that Paul was evangelizing to Jews on the Sabbath and what better way to do that then to meet them on the day they all were gathering together? But in this text we see that after witnessing to the Jews in the synagogue that Gentiles begged Paul to preach these words "to them the next Sabbath." So if the Sabbath had ceased as a requirement and blessing of God, if it was not part of the New Covenant, if it was only for the Jew, then Paul need not wait an entire week to minister to the needs of these pleading Gentiles. Why wait seven days when tomorrow would work just fine? After all, as some people believe, the first day of the week is supposedly "the Lord's day"—a day to be honored in remembrance of Jesus's resurrection—so why not preach to them on this newly preferred day? Paul does not take this golden opportunity to inform these Gentiles that the Sabbath is passé and that it is no longer necessary to remember Jesus as the Creator. Instead, as someone who unashamedly "follow the example of Christ," he honors their Sabbath-keeping request.

7. The Sabbath 40 Years After the Cross
Matthew 24:20
Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

Jesus is speaking in reference to the future destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. (40 years after His death). If we consider this admonition from the aspect of keeping the Sabbath holy by not working on it, then the prayer to not have to flee on the Sabbath is easily understandable. Additionally, this text also affirms the continuity of the Sabbath 40 years into the New Covenant.

8. Venerated Title Remains
Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.


Mark 16:1
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.


Luke 23:54
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.


John 19:31
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

Each of the four Gospels were written years after the cross. One would expect that if the Sabbath was no longer relevant to New Covenant Christianity that the Gospel authors would've conveyed such in their writings. But Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all maintain uninterrupted use of the venerated title of Sabbath in their Gospels. None of them ever refer to it as the "Sabbath of the Jews," which of course makes perfect sense in keeping with point #2 above (i.e. the Sabbath was made for humanity's benefit). Luke points out certain things as being exclusively Jewish ("country of the Jews," "synagogue of the Jews") but in neither his Gospel nor his book of Acts does he do so to the Sabbath. Since Jesus said the Sabbath was made for people—regardless of race or gender—then the fact that these authors do not attempt to tie it strictly to the Jews is perfectly logical and consistent. This is especially meaningful when one considers their use of this title after the cross. Since they are writing years afterward there should be no reason why they should not know that the Sabbath has been discontinued. All four authors continue to address the seventh day of the week using it's venerated title and all of the remaining days of the week maintain their generic numeral designation.

9. The Sabbath in the New Earth
Isaiah 66:22-23
As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the LORD, “so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD.

When Jesus first created this world we find that He set in motion His weekly memorial to His creative act by establishing His Sabbath (Genesis 2:1-3). In the "restoration of all things" the Lord will create a "new heavens and a new earth." Will the need to remember Jesus as Creator be any less meaningful or necessary once we are redeemed? Will the Sabbath be any less of a blessing or a "delight"? Since the Sabbath was "made for man" before man became a sinner it is apparent that its value was not based in relation to our sinful condition. Isaiah tells us that in the new earth all humanity will bow down before God "from one Sabbath to another." Jesus is going to hit the divine reset button for this Earth. It is going to be baptized by fire. After burning off all the sin and those who stubbornly held on to it, this Earth will be restored to how it was "in the beginning" and it will be our home as it was originally intended. Since the Sabbath comes to us from the seventh day of the beginning, we see that this special day has been a blessing to humanity from our creation to our ultimate salvation and will continue on throughout eternity.

10. The Sabbath in Languages of the World.
Did you know that there are flood traditions around the world? From Africa to Asia and Australia, from Europe to North and South Americas, the story of a world wide flood is a part of the tradition of the peoples in these areas. This is as one would expect for such a universally destructive event.

But did you also know that the word "Sabbath" can be found in various languages all around the world? This too is what one would expect if the Sabbath was instituted on the seventh day of creation. Just like Noah and the other seven survivors were witnesses to the flood, Adam and Eve would've been witnesses of the first Sabbath and Adam was around for 930 years to share his eye witness account to his progeny.

Here are a few languages that use the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week:

Greek: Sabbaton (Sabbath)
Latin: Sabbatum (Sabbath)
Spanish: Sábado (Sabbath)
Portuguese: Sabbado (Sabbath)
Italian: Sabbato (Sabbath)
French: Samedi (Sabbath day)
High German: Samstag (Sabbath)
Prussian: Sabatico (Sabbath)
Russian: Subbota (Sabbath)
Congo Africa: Sabbado or Kiansbula (Sabbath)​

These are a few examples from our modern languages which still identify the seventh day as the Sabbath. There are a number of ancient languages which also do the same thing. The Babylonian language—dating back to 3800 BC (or shortly after the flood)—identifies the seventh day as "Sa-ba-tu" or Sabbath. Exactly what one would expect to find embedded in this Earth's recorded history.

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I'm thinking that I'm going to focus on learning to enjoy the sabbath rest of YHVH, 7 days a week.

Romans 14
Hebrews 3-4
 
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I'm thinking that I'm going to focus on learning to enjoy the sabbath rest of YHVH, 7 days a week.

Romans 14
Hebrews 3-4
There is no such thing as enjoying Gods Sabbath 7 days a week. The only definition of the Sabbath of creation in the scriptures is "the seventh day" of the week (see Exodus 20:10). According to the scriptures, no one enters into God's "seventh day" sabbath rest *Hebrews 4:3-4 by not believing and following what God's Word says. *see Hebrews 3:8; 12; 17-19; Hebrews 4:1-6; 9-11. Gods' rest/My rest/His rest is defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as "the seventh day" created from the foundation of the world (Genesis 2:1-3) in Hebrews 4:3-4 that we who believe enter into by faith (Hebrews 4:3). Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days. It has nothing to do with Gods' 4th commandment.

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There is no such thing as enjoying Gods Sabbath 7 days a week. The only definition of the Sabbath of creation in the scriptures is "the seventh day" of the week (see Exodus 20:10). According to the scriptures, no one enters into God's "seventh day" sabbath rest *Hebrews 4:3-4 by not believing and following what God's Word says. *see Hebrews 3:8; 12; 17-19; Hebrews 4:1-6; 9-11. Gods' rest/My rest/His rest is defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as "the seventh day" created from the foundation of the world (Genesis 2:1-3) in Hebrews 4:3-4 that we who believe enter into by faith (Hebrews 4:3). Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days. It has nothing to do with Gods' 4th commandment.

Take Care.
Well, if that's what you want.

Hebrews 3 and 4 as well as Romans 14 say differently.

Rom 14:4-9 WEB 4 Who are you who judge another’s servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand. 5 One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord. Or if we die, we die to the Lord. If therefore we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.

Heb 3:1-19 WEB 1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus, 2 who was faithful to him who appointed him, as also Moses was in all his house. 3 For he has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, because he who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone; but he who built all things is God. 5 Moses indeed was faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were afterward to be spoken, 6 but Christ is faithful as a Son over his house. We are his house, if we hold fast our confidence and the glorying of our hope firm to the end. 7 Therefore, even as the Holy Spirit says, “Today if you will hear his voice, 8 don’t harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of the trial in the wilderness, 9 where your fathers tested me and tried me, and saw my deeds for forty years. 10 Therefore I was displeased with that generation, and said, ‘They always err in their heart, but they didn’t know my ways.’ 11 As I swore in my wrath, ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” 12 Beware, brothers, lest perhaps there might be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God; 13 but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called “today”, lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence firm to the end, 15 while it is said, “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts, as in the rebellion.” 16 For who, when they heard, rebelled? Wasn’t it all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? 17 With whom was he displeased forty years? Wasn’t it with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 To whom did he swear that they wouldn’t enter into his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 We see that they weren’t able to enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:1-16 WEB 1 Let’s fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his rest. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, even as they also did, but the word they heard didn’t profit them, because it wasn’t mixed with faith by those who heard. 3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has said this somewhere about the seventh day, “God rested on the seventh day from all his works;” 5 and in this place again, “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter into it, and they to whom the good news was preached before failed to enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again defines a certain day, today, saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said), “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. 9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account. 14 Having then a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let’s hold tightly to our confession. 15 For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin. 16 Let’s therefore draw near with boldness to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace for help in time of need.

You can indeed continue to choose only one day to rest.

Jesus followers are enjoined to enter God's rest, every day.
 
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LoveGodsWord wrote: There is no such thing as enjoying Gods Sabbath 7 days a week. The only definition of the Sabbath of creation in the scriptures is "the seventh day" of the week (see Exodus 20:10). According to the scriptures, no one enters into God's "seventh day" sabbath rest *Hebrews 4:3-4 by not believing and following what God's Word says. *see Hebrews 3:8; 12; 17-19; Hebrews 4:1-6; 9-11. Gods' rest/My rest/His rest is defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as "the seventh day" created from the foundation of the world (Genesis 2:1-3) in Hebrews 4:3-4 that we who believe enter into by faith (Hebrews 4:3). Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days. It has nothing to do with Gods' 4th commandment.
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Well, if that's what you want. Hebrews 3 and 4 as well as Romans 14 say differently.

Rom 14:4-9 WEB 4 Who are you who judge another’s servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand. 5 One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord. Or if we die, we die to the Lord. If therefore we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.

Heb 3:1-19 WEB 1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus, 2 who was faithful to him who appointed him, as also Moses was in all his house. 3 For he has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, because he who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone; but he who built all things is God. 5 Moses indeed was faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were afterward to be spoken, 6 but Christ is faithful as a Son over his house. We are his house, if we hold fast our confidence and the glorying of our hope firm to the end. 7 Therefore, even as the Holy Spirit says, “Today if you will hear his voice, 8 don’t harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of the trial in the wilderness, 9 where your fathers tested me and tried me, and saw my deeds for forty years. 10 Therefore I was displeased with that generation, and said, ‘They always err in their heart, but they didn’t know my ways.’ 11 As I swore in my wrath, ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” 12 Beware, brothers, lest perhaps there might be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God; 13 but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called “today”, lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence firm to the end, 15 while it is said, “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts, as in the rebellion.” 16 For who, when they heard, rebelled? Wasn’t it all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? 17 With whom was he displeased forty years? Wasn’t it with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 To whom did he swear that they wouldn’t enter into his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 We see that they weren’t able to enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:1-16 WEB 1 Let’s fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his rest. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, even as they also did, but the word they heard didn’t profit them, because it wasn’t mixed with faith by those who heard. 3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has said this somewhere about the seventh day, “God rested on the seventh day from all his works;” 5 and in this place again, “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter into it, and they to whom the good news was preached before failed to enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again defines a certain day, today, saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said), “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. 9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account. 14 Having then a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let’s hold tightly to our confession. 15 For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin. 16 Let’s therefore draw near with boldness to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace for help in time of need. You can indeed continue to choose only one day to rest.
Jesus followers are enjoined to enter God's rest, every day.
That is an interesting claim Steve. Well lets test your claims here to see if they are true or not. Where exactly (scripture reference please) does it say in Romans 14 that it is talking about Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken, and that it is not talking about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days and not judging others in this regard? Where exactly (scripture reference here) does it say in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 that Gods rest/His rest/My rest is not "the seventh day of the week" but is really every day of the week? Your reading into the scripture what it does not say and does not teach.

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Well, if that's what you want.

Hebrews 3 and 4 as well as Romans 14 say differently.

Rom 14:4-9 WEB 4 Who are you who judge another’s servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand. 5 One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord. Or if we die, we die to the Lord. If therefore we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.

Heb 3:1-19 WEB 1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus, 2 who was faithful to him who appointed him, as also Moses was in all his house. 3 For he has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, because he who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone; but he who built all things is God. 5 Moses indeed was faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were afterward to be spoken, 6 but Christ is faithful as a Son over his house. We are his house, if we hold fast our confidence and the glorying of our hope firm to the end. 7 Therefore, even as the Holy Spirit says, “Today if you will hear his voice, 8 don’t harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of the trial in the wilderness, 9 where your fathers tested me and tried me, and saw my deeds for forty years. 10 Therefore I was displeased with that generation, and said, ‘They always err in their heart, but they didn’t know my ways.’ 11 As I swore in my wrath, ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” 12 Beware, brothers, lest perhaps there might be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God; 13 but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called “today”, lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence firm to the end, 15 while it is said, “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts, as in the rebellion.” 16 For who, when they heard, rebelled? Wasn’t it all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? 17 With whom was he displeased forty years? Wasn’t it with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 To whom did he swear that they wouldn’t enter into his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 We see that they weren’t able to enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:1-16 WEB 1 Let’s fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his rest. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, even as they also did, but the word they heard didn’t profit them, because it wasn’t mixed with faith by those who heard. 3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has said this somewhere about the seventh day, “God rested on the seventh day from all his works;” 5 and in this place again, “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter into it, and they to whom the good news was preached before failed to enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again defines a certain day, today, saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said), “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. 9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account. 14 Having then a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let’s hold tightly to our confession. 15 For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin. 16 Let’s therefore draw near with boldness to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace for help in time of need.

You can indeed continue to choose only one day to rest.

Jesus followers are enjoined to enter God's rest, every day.
The Sabbath day was a shadow of that future rest from our futile works. We enter God's rest, into His eternal rest, by grace through faith.

Amen.
 
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The Sabbath day was a shadow of that future rest from our futile works. We enter God's rest, into His eternal rest, by grace through faith.

Amen.

Sadly that would be a false teaching according to the scriptures but let me explain why if it might be helpful. You do know that there are many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant that are fulfilled in the new covenant promise. None of these however are in reference to Gods' weekly Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11. These annual shadow sabbaths connected to the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. It is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a "shadow" of anything as it points "backwards" to the "finished" work of creation, not "forwards" to things to come (Colossians 2:17). The within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 is to the meat and the drink offerings, the new moons and the "sabbaths" (plural) in the annual "Feast days" not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Paul is quoting from Ezekiel 45:17 and other scriptures of the old covenant. I am happy to discuss scripture details if your interested. Just let me know.

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The Sabbath day was a shadow of that future rest from our futile works. We enter God's rest, into His eternal rest, by grace through faith.

Amen.
Yep.

Future at the time of the writing.

The followers of Jesus are given a sabbath rest in Christ, here and now.

Jesus himself IS our Sabbath rest.

Colossians 2:6-3:5

Colossians 2:16-17 deal specifically with the sabbath of the law.
 
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Hi chad kincham,

According to Hebrews 9:16, "where there is a testament (i.e. "will"), there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Once the testator has died no one is allowed to annul or add to their testament/will (Galatians 3:15).

At what point would you like to suggest putting an end to allowing for adjustments to be added to the New Covenant? I'm saying at the death of Jesus.

Your allusion to Peter's vision in Acts 10 isn't embracing the point of the vision. Whilst in vision Peter saw a large sheet filled with unclean animals. A voice told Peter to "Get up. Kill and eat." Peter responded, "Surely not, Lord! I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice told him not to call anything impure that God has made clean. This happened three times. Immediately following this three Gentiles (i.e. people Jews perceived as "unclean") came to his house calling out for Peter. While Peter was thinking about the vision, the Spirit told him to go with the men. During his time at Cornelius's home Peter said to them, "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean." The whole point of the vision had to do with Peter's perception of people, not food. Peter never once ate anything unclean, either in the vision or otherwise.

I'm not certain how appealing to this story releases one from acknowledging that Jesus didn't inform His disciples about the forthcoming ending of the Sabbath before His death?





Let me just repost item #6 from the opening post:



I don't believe your attempted rationalization makes sense in the context of the Gentiles begging Paul to preach to them "the next Sabbath." If Sunday was supposedly the next new thing, then Paul certainly shoulda, coulda, woulda taken that wonderful opportunity to inform these Gentiles that they should go ahead and meet the very next day.





Matthew 24:1, 2 is speaking in reference to the destruction of the temple which would eventually take place in 70 A.D. Since the temple was destroyed at that time where would you propose that the "standing in the holy place" transpires?

Why do you believe Jews aren't allowed to travel on the Sabbath?

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark



Icyspark in post #42: “At what point would you like to suggest putting an end to allowing for adjustments to be added to the New Covenant?”


If you think the New Covenant needs to be adjusted, you haven’t got a clue what the New Covenant is.
 
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Sadly that would be a false teaching according to the scriptures but let me explain why if it might be helpful. You do know that there are many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant that are fulfilled in the new covenant promise. None of these however are in reference to Gods' weekly Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11. These annual shadow sabbaths connected to the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. It is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a "shadow" of anything as it points "backwards" to the "finished" work of creation, not "forwards" to things to come (Colossians 2:17). The within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 is to the meat and the drink offerings, the new moons and the "sabbaths" (plural) in the annual "Feast days" not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Paul is quoting from Ezekiel 45:17 and other scriptures of the old covenant. I am happy to discuss scripture details if your interested. Just let me know.

Take Care.
The law in it's entirety was but a mere shadow of the approaching Christ.

Colossians 2:17
Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day. Things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 10:1
For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the form of those things itself, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually every year, make those who approach perfect.

The law was never intended to make anyone perfect, nor righteous. All the law can do is notify you that you are a sinner. No credit points are awarded for devotion to the law.

For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come
 
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