What are you talking about? Jesus testified after His resurrection: “All power [or authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).
Jesus rules and reigns today over all creation. There is nothing that is not under His feet. What He says goes! This is biblical bedrock! This is a foundational Christian truth.
I mean, how much more power than “all power ... in heaven and in earth” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?
This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises kingship today over all mankind. It means: He carries the Father’s divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is Sovereign power! He holds this today upon His Father’s throne as God and upon David’s throne as Messiah. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority.
In our main text this morning, Jesus is described in Revelation 3:7 as, “he that hath the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”
He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might.
I am not sure the GWT is a first resurrection. They are still dead standing before the GWT.I'm mostly in agreement with you here. I agree it's physical and a type of resurrection. But it's also chronological in relation to when any of the lost rise. None of the lost ever rise before anyone having part in the first resurrection do. Jesus rose in this type of resurrection, the first resurrection. No lost souls rose before He did. Those resurrected in Matthew 27 you brought up, they rose in this type of resurrection, the first resurrection. No lost souls rose before they did. The 2 witnesses rise in this type of resurrection, the first resurrection. No lost souls rise before they do. The dead in Christ who rise first, rise in this type of resurrection, the first resurrection. No lost souls rise before they do. It makes it the first resurrection in this sense as well, that all of the saved rise before any of the lost ever do, since Revelation 20 only mentions 2 resurrections.
I have no clue what Amils are trying to do with the first resurrection? They are trying to make something plain and simple complicated instead.
I have yet to see proof of such corroboration in Scripture. It is a task just to get some Scripture to explain this Millennium. Especially in response to Amil. They clearly reject any other validating verses to point out the Millennial conditions.A lot of times verses are simply compressed, giving the illusion that something immediately follows something else. That means that the details involving them marching to surround the city and God then raining fire down on them, these things are likely recorded in other passages in great detail, either in the OT or NT, and in some cases both. That means this battle likely involves way more than what you are taking it to involve.
I have yet to see proof of such corroboration in Scripture. It is a task just to get some Scripture to explain this Millennium. Especially in response to Amil. They clearly reject any other validating verses to point out the Millennial conditions.
Why not just post your own verses to validate more detail? From what I see, despite a seemingly large amount of rebellion from a one shot march against Jerusalem, peace is still on earth, Nation still never turned against nation. No where does peace end and violence ensues.
You can go on and on quoting your interpretation of those scripture as saying Jesus is currently ruling over the Earth.
As I said, it doesn't mean much to you since, "Believers can still fall sick, sin can still run rampant on Earth, the wolf is still not lying down with the lamb, no children can play with serpents."
You are trying to rebut Amil with false Premil beliefs. That is why your argument is moot. Consequently, you have no answer for the Scriptures I present. This is how Premils have to deal with these Scriptures.
What are you talking about? Jesus testified after His resurrection: “All power [or authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).
Jesus rules and reigns today over all creation. There is nothing that is not under His feet. What He says goes! This is biblical bedrock! This is a foundational Christian truth.
I mean, how much more power than “all power ... in heaven and in earth” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?
This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises kingship today over all mankind. It means: He carries the Father’s divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is Sovereign power!
When does this prophecy apply? God constantly spoke in the present and past tense to prophesy about the future all throughout the scriptures. He is eternal. If, as you say, that statement of Jesus applied at the moment He said it, why do we later read this?
Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
The book of Revelation was given many years AFTER Jesus was raised and said all authority is given to Him. Why then do we have more prophecy about Jesus receiving the kingdom at the 7th Trumpet if He already received it?
Hardly. Are you really giving Jesus all the blame for the sorry state of the world today? You said He is ruling and reigning today.
They claim their authority and power through and since Christ's first resurrection. They rule as kings and priests (in life and death) from then.
We do not just reign over sin. We reign over our spiritual enemies today.
I'm sorry, but I find this to be complete nonsense that I can't even take seriously. Come on. In your interpretation of the thousand years it doesn't even have a beginning and an ending even though Revelation 20 makes it clear that it has a beginning and an ending. It talks about Satan being loosed when the thousand years ends. You don't even have the thousand years as being an actual period of time, so Satan can't be loosed when the thousand years ends in your view.
That is irrelevant! The thousand years is the time period starting with Christ's reign and Satan's binding and ending with the loosing of Satan. You don't even have it as an actual time period during which Christ reigns and Satan is bound. Your interpretation is utterly ludicrous, in my opinion. It makes the Premil view look credible in comparison.
When does this prophecy apply? God constantly spoke in the present and past tense to prophesy about the future all throughout the scriptures. He is eternal. If, as you say, that statement of Jesus applied at the moment He said it, why do we later read this?
Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
The book of Revelation was given many years AFTER Jesus was raised and said all authority is given to Him. Why then do we have more prophecy about Jesus receiving the kingdom at the 7th Trumpet if He already received it?
Hardly. Are you really giving Jesus all the blame for the sorry state of the world today? You said He is ruling and reigning today.
Hardly. Are you really giving Jesus all the blame for the sorry state of the world today? You said He is ruling and reigning today.
All I’m saying is that WITHIN the vision, the first resurrection = those living and reigning with Christ for 1,000 years. Since I interpret the first resurrection as CHRIST, and not believers being born again, I believe the 1,000 years are symbolic for Christ’s resurrection. Christ’s resurrection bound Satan, who had the power over death, and cast him out.
Those that PARTAKE in this 1,000 year first resurrection, are simply the saints experiencing the realized promises - in this life and life to come.
Satan was cast out to have a little season upon Christ’s resurrection and ascension to heaven (revelation 12:12)
Upon being cast out Satan was warring against the saints by:
1.) working in the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2)
2.) masquerading as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14)
3.) hindering the gospel to the nations (1 Thessalonians 2:18)
4.) prowling like a lion looking to devour (1 Peter 5:8)
5.) leading astray (1 Timothy 5:15)
However, Paul’s hope was that Satan was soon to be crushed (Romans 16:20).
Therefore, based on gospel/epistolic evidence of Satan’s activities in the first century following his binding and casting out, i disagree with the Amil chronology of revelation 20.
as an Amil, you agree that the saints are awarded at the final judgment (John 5:29, Romans 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Matthew 16:27, 2 Timothy 4:8, revelation 22:12)
If you notice, In revelation 20, the saints are not awarded at the great white throne judgement. “The rest of the dead who lived not again” from Death, Hades, and the sea are judged at the great white throne, but the saints were instead awarded at the first resurrection in revelation 20:4.
My “thesis”, as you put it, is that revelation 20 is not necessarily in Chronological order, but ordered by purpose/relation. Hence, the saints are awarded at the first resurrection, with no mention of their awarding at the great white throne judgement.
Our difference:
you seem to look at the revelation 20:4 as the realized promises to the saints through Christ’s resurrection - promises we have now in the flesh and promises we are awarded when our soul goes to heaven.
I look at revelation as the realized promises to the saints through Christ’s resurrection - promises we have now in the flesh and promises we are awarded at the resurrection.
Agreed. But this doesn’t address the type of reigning in revelation 20:4.
the premil believes this is reigning at the resurrection. The Amil believes this is reigning when the soul goes to heaven upon death prior to the resurrection.
Since you often demand evidence for premils literal 1,000 year reign, where is your evidence that souls go to heaven to reign upon physical death prior to the resurrection?
Please do not talk on behalf of Amils. You have proven several times that you do not understand the belief.
When did Satan's little season start and when did (or will) it finish?
Well said, both of us came to the same conclusion regarding Amills. =)
please demonstrate which part I did not understand, instead of just making a generic blanket statement. This not only helps me learn but the readers discern your position.
do amils not believe revelation 20:4 is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection?
Just as you demand other scriptural evidence from premils for a literal 1,000 year reign , where is your evidence that souls go to heaven to reign prior to the resurrection?
Started: at his casting out in association with Christ’s resurrection and ascension.
Ends: Christ’s parousia
When is Christ’s parousia and what happens there?
Christs’s unknown future parousia, is just that: Unknown in the future. Remember, I’m a partial preterist.
But nice try on your deflection in attempt to try to falsely accuse me as a full preterist in order to avoid answering my questions.
now back to what you are clearly trying to avoid:
1.) Please provide an example where i do not understand Amil, Otherwise the readers can see your statement is just a false smokescreen.
2.) my understanding, because I was raised Amil ( church and Christian Amil grade school and high school), is that the traditional Amil position, in regards to revelation 20:4, is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection. Where is your other scriptural evidence of this: souls reigning in heaven, just as you demand premils produce other scripture of a literal 1,000 year reign?