Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[Parmallia]

Your innuendo is offensive

Actually my point is precisely because YOUR INNUENDO is gravely offensive.

I was talking about violent criminals. Anything wrong with crossing the street to avoid violent criminals?

I am curious if you are able to make the distinction.

 

[Parmallia]

Yes. Whites are victims of the same systemic racism.

Wrong.

 

[Parmallia]

Gang activity accounts for a huge chunk of crime I bet.

You bet.

Maybe you could dig up some figures. I went to the pain of finding data to support my position. Maybe you can't do that.

 

[SilverBear]

Nope. There is no evidence of systemic racism. Are there problems? Is there racism? Sure but its not systemic racism.

I'm as poor as any black american. Is that because of systemic racism? Maybe education plays a role? Maybe making bad choices too.

if there was no systemic racism then the income level of blacks would be no different from the income level of whites across the board rather than what we see in reality.

why ask for evidence if you are unwilling to look at it?

 

[RDKirk]

if there was no systemic racism then the income level of blacks would be no different from the income level of whites across the board rather than what we see in reality.

why ask for evidence if you are unwilling to look at it?

Not necessarily. The systemic laws and policies that prevented black advancement were only removed for the most part about 30 years ago. That's not enough time for a breakout from hundreds of years of oppression to have been reversed so that there would be no difference.

Moreover, we have to talk about black people finding a way out of the dysfunctional slave culture to whatever functional culture black people can achieve in its place. That's going to take time...but it's happening. Unfortunately, it may take a great deal of pain and heartbreak and frustration to make that happen. I fear a large proportion of black people will not be able to make the adaptation.

 

[SilverBear]

Black americans disproportionately commit more crime.

here is Condoleezza Rice being interviewed by Judy Woodruff. which one of these two women are more likely to commit a crime?

 

[SilverBear]

Black americans disproportionately commit more crime and do more time. How is this systemic racism?

Actually its poor people who commit more crimes....and there are more poor blacks than poor whites

 

[ArmenianJohn]

19 percent isn't evidence of racism. If the system were racist i would expect the number to be much higher. Factor that into the fact that black Americans disproportionately commit more crime and what does the picture look like? Not racism.

Now you're arguing against something as though I said it in what I can only presume to be an effort to put on an act for everyone else that you are somehow taking seriously someone's argument in favor of the reality of systemic racism.

The problem is that I didn't say "19 percent" or anything like that. You're quite obviously just pretending to have some kind of "argument" against systemic racism.

Considering the fact you're fabricating an argument against things I have not remotely said it's quite clear that it's part of your smoke-and-mirrors efforts to continue the pattern I described.

Do keep going, though, please...continue to perpetuate the ruse. You're continuing to prove by demonstration that what I've said about this common pattern is absolutely true.

 

[SilverBear]

Not necessarily. The systemic laws and policies that prevented black advancement were only removed for the most part about 30 years ago. That's not enough time for a breakout from hundreds of years of oppression to have been reversed so that there would be no difference.

Moreover, we have to talk about black people finding a way out of the dysfunctional slave culture to whatever functional culture black people can achieve in its place. That's going to take time...but it's happening. Unfortunately, it may take a great deal of pain and heartbreak and frustration to make that happen. I fear a large proportion of black people will not be able to make the adaptation.

research has shown that even with identical resumes job candidates perceived to be black will be contacted for an interview at a quarter of the rate those perceived to be white. And after interviews are conducted white job candidates are 3 times as likely to be called back for a second interview

 

[IWalkAlone]

if there was no systemic racism then the income level of blacks would be no different from the income level of whites across the board rather than what we see in reality.

why ask for evidence if you are unwilling to look at it?

What part of the system is at fault?

 

[IWalkAlone]

here is Condoleezza Rice being interviewed by Judy Woodruff. which one of these two women are more likely to commit a crime?

I stated a fact. Not sure what your point is.

 

[RDKirk]

research has shown that even with identical resumes job candidates perceived to be black will be contacted for an interview at a quarter of the rate those perceived to be white. And after interviews are conducted white job candidates are 3 times as likely to be called back for a second interview

Did you not read my first paragraph?

 

[SilverBear]

19 percent isn't evidence of racism. If the system were racist i would expect the number to be much higher. Factor that into the fact that black Americans disproportionately commit more crime and what does the picture look like? Not racism.

what is the magic number?

 

[SilverBear]

I stated a fact. Not sure what your point is.

so you are saying that Ms Rice is far more likely to commit a crime? She is black after all

 

[IWalkAlone]

Actually its poor people who commit more crimes....and there are more poor blacks than poor whites

It means the same thing. Black americans disproportionately commit more crime.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Now you're arguing against something as though I said it in what I can only presume to be an effort to put on an act for everyone else that you are somehow taking seriously someone's argument in favor of the reality of systemic racism.

The problem is that I didn't say "19 percent" or anything like that. You're quite obviously just pretending to have some kind of "argument" against systemic racism.

Considering the fact you're fabricating an argument against things I have not remotely said it's quite clear that it's part of your smoke-and-mirrors efforts to continue the pattern I described.

Do keep going, though, please...continue to perpetuate the ruse. You're continuing to prove by demonstration that what I've said about this common pattern is absolutely true.

I was speaking generally. No need for the accusations. Someone mentioned it. So it wasn't you. That doesn't make my argument less valid.

 

[SilverBear]

It means the same thing. Black americans disproportionately commit more crime.

If it were true that blacks commit more crime then this would be true for blacks at every socioeconomic level but high income African Americans do not commit more crimes than high income white Americans. It's poverty not skin color that leads to a higher chance of criminal activity

 

[IWalkAlone]

so you are saying that Ms Rice is far more likely to commit a crime? She is black after all

I was stating a fact. I wasn't saying that at all. You have a problem with it but its a fact.

 

[IWalkAlone]

high income African Americans do not commit more crimes than high income white Americans.

Thats true. Not all blacks or whites commit crime. The stats are about criminal demographics.

 

[Estrid]

What system are you talking about and who set it up?

System / culture / social mores / power structure whatever all you want to call it.

Chinatown set up its own system, black people set up theirs in the hood.
But you know all of that.