Where is the Objective Morality?

[childeye 2]

On the contrary you wrote this below as an aspersion and claimed you had refuted the principle of love others as yourself, as being an objective morality, when in fact to any reasonable person that principle shows rape to be objectively immoral.

"I cannot see loving the man who raped me.
Any notion that I objectively should is garbage".

 

[childeye 2]

No I dont as its not. And that has nothing to do with objective morality.

So you say without any evidence. Can't you think of anything to refute it?

You really really should look up what objective morality is about.

It's about something morally true for everyone.

 

[Astrid]

On the contrary you wrote this below as an aspersion and claimed you had refuted the principle of love others as yourself as being an objective morality, when in fact to any reasonable person that principle shows rape to be an objective immorality.

"I cannot see loving the man who raped me.
Any notion that I objectively should is garbage".

Great galloping goalposts!

I dont play that game.

 

[childeye 2]

Great galloping goalposts!

I dont play that game.

It's on the record.

 

[VirOptimus]

So you say without any evidence. Can't you think of anything to refute it?


It's about something morally true for everyone.

This is getting funnier and funnier.

Prove that objective morality exist.

 

[childeye 2]

This is getting funnier and funnier.

Prove that objective morality exist.

com·pas·sion
/kəmˈpaSHən/

noun

1. sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.
   "the victims should be treated with compassion"
   
   Similar:
   pity
   
   sympathy
   
   feeling
   
   fellow feeling
   
   empathy
   
   understanding
   
   care
   
   concern
   
   solicitude
   
   solicitousness
   sensitivity
   
   tender-heartedness
   soft-heartedness
   warm-heartedness
   warmth
   
   love
   
   brotherly love
   
   tenderness
   
   gentleness
   
   mercy
   
   mercifulness
   leniency
   
   lenience
   
   tolerance
   
   consideration
   
   kindness
   
   humanity
   
   humaneness
   kind-heartedness
   charity

 

[VirOptimus]

com·pas·sion
/kəmˈpaSHən/

noun

1. sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.
   "the victims should be treated with compassion"
   
   Similar:
   pity
   
   sympathy
   
   feeling
   
   fellow feeling
   
   empathy
   
   understanding
   
   care
   
   concern
   
   solicitude
   
   solicitousness
   sensitivity
   
   tender-heartedness
   soft-heartedness
   warm-heartedness
   warmth
   
   love
   
   brotherly love
   
   tenderness
   
   gentleness
   
   mercy
   
   mercifulness
   leniency
   
   lenience
   
   tolerance
   
   consideration
   
   kindness
   
   humanity
   
   humaneness
   kind-heartedness
   charity

Priceless.

Try again.

 

[childeye 2]

Priceless.

Try again.

I agree, compassion/love is priceless. Since compassion displays only moral attributes, then we don't subjectively decide what is moral or immoral. It's the circumstance of compassion in our nature.

 

[VirOptimus]

I agree, compassion/love is priceless. Since compassion displays only moral attributes, then we don't subjectively decide what is moral or immoral. It's the circumstance of compassion in our nature.

Pointless platitude is pointless.

 

[childeye 2]

Pointless platitude is pointless.

So you say, but why? Fact: We share a planet. Fact: individual preferences could not establish morality. Are you confusing subjective preferences with objective circumstances?

 

[VirOptimus]

So you say, but why? Fact: We share a planet. Fact: individual preferences could not establish morality. Are you confusing subjective preferences with objective circumstances?

I have already stated that objective/subjective is meaningless terms for me.

Read up on value nihilism.

 

[Astrid]

Pointless platitude is pointless.

Same with word salad

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Sorry, good people... Another angle on this topic.

I simply want to know where it is.

If its not an aspect of my own mental state or yours, then it must be out there somewhere, right? So.... where?

Why do you think there must be objective morality?

 

[childeye 2]

I have already stated that objective/subjective is meaningless terms for me. Read up on value nihilism.

Do you believe in anything other than not believing in anything?

 

[Moral Orel]

Since this doesn't refute in any way that Love others as yourself is an objective morality

You're using "morality" weird. A "morality" is the set of rules. That morality is "objective" if those rules are facts. What you're stating could be the basis of an objective morality, but it wouldn't be the "objective morality" itself.

I think what you want to say is, "One ought to love others as himself" is true.

If that statement is a true fact (the same way that 2+2=4 is a true fact), then morality is objective.

 

[childeye 2]

You're using "morality" weird. A "morality" is the set of rules. That morality is "objective" if those rules are facts. What you're stating could be the basis of an objective morality, but it wouldn't be the "objective morality" itself.

I think what you want to say is, "One ought to love others as himself" is true.

If that statement is a true fact (the same way that 2+2=4 is a true fact), then morality is objective.

Well said. Remove the himself and make it themselves. I do tend to use the term morality when referring to the moral spirit I see in the world. The moral spirit in mankind that can make a distinction between right and wrong without a set of rules and writes the rules that serve everyone.

 

[durangodawood]

Why do you think there must be objective morality?

I dont. At least not in the typical sense that theists promote.

 

[VirOptimus]

Do you believe in anything other than not believing in anything?

I dont belive.

 

[childeye 2]

I dont belive.

Do you believe you know what remorse is?

 

[VirOptimus]

Do you believe you know what remorse is?

Bye.