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How do we know if we're living in sin?

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If we are disgusted by our sin is that proof that we're living in sin? It's proof that we're regenerated and that the Holy Spirit is living within us. But does this get nullified by living in sin?

Because last I checked the Bible contains multiple warnings against sinning and last I checked? I sin. A lot. Several times a day probably. How am I supposed to confess all that sin and confess sins I don't even remember?

Just...what is living in sin and how do I avoid it? I know regeneration is a sign you're among the elect and I should trust in christ death for all my sins but... the Bible scares the pants off me.
 

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"Living in sin" is an expression that normally means a person is knowingly sinning and continues to do so without repentance. We are all sinners, but to live in sin means we do not even try to do better.
 
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How am I supposed to confess all that sin and confess sins I don't even remember?
You pray, Lord, please forgive me of my sins, both those known to me and those unknown."
ust...what is living in sin and how do I avoid it?
Living in sin is knowingly committing the same sin over and over. You avoid it by letting go of the sin that has you stuck. Prayer and meditation will help as well as a source of good counseling in the church.
 
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"Living in sin" is an expression that normally means a person is knowingly sinning and continues to do so without repentance. We are all sinners, but to live in sin means we do not even try to do better.

Ok I definitely try I hate my sin. It's always my sin I keep on doing. Then I'll repent and then do some more sinning. I have to admit some of my sin may be done on purpose. I need to repent of that correct? How do I know what's a sin and what's not? The Bible doesn't cover every sin does it?
 
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If we are disgusted by our sin is that proof that we're living in sin? It's proof that we're regenerated and that the Holy Spirit is living within us. But does this get nullified by living in sin?

Because last I checked the Bible contains multiple warnings against sinning and last I checked? I sin. A lot. Several times a day probably. How am I supposed to confess all that sin and confess sins I don't even remember?

Just...what is living in sin and how do I avoid it? I know regeneration is a sign you're among the elect and I should trust in christ death for all my sins but... the Bible scares the pants off me.

In my case, the Holy Spirit will convict me.
 
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Ok I definitely try I hate my sin. It's always my sin I keep on doing. Then I'll repent and then do some more sinning. I have to admit some of my sin may be done on purpose. I need to repent of that correct? How do I know what's a sin and what's not? The Bible doesn't cover every sin does it?
I cannot answer all of that with certainty, but to fall and then try again is nothing unusual. It's part of the human condition, and many of the greatest saints were grief stricken because they had failed (again) even while trying to do right.

On the other point, it is said by important theologians that a sin isn't a sin in reality unless the person knows it's wrong and does it anyway. So don't agonize over the unknown. How to know what's a sin? Read the Bible, which I'm sure you have.
 
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Yes we are humans who became self aware and as a result unlike our fellow creatures who unknowingly do the same out of instinct, we knowingly due to our self awareness, seek self satisfaction, pursuing self interest, live for personal satisfaction, and we define good and evil to self justify our actions. We must come to realize the damage or outright evil we cause by serving self while building this world in our own self serving image, and as Albion said, repent of it once we have realized who we are by nature and not spirit.

Repent means change and although we will never break free of our self serving animal instinct as long as we are alive, hybrids on this planet, we can change our allegiance to our baser nature of man, to instead following the will of God which looks towards serving others in our daily lives, simply meaning we do nothing to hurt them through our selfishness. Jesus taught us a way contrary to the ways of man. His way is simply a counter-culture to the culture of man. Here's your big chance to be a true revolutionary (ironically that physically rebels against no one). :)
 
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That's why it is necessary to read, study and understand the bible. It God's one of God's ways of changing the state of our hearts to Him and to how we view sin. It all needs to start in the heart!
 
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You pray, Lord, please forgive me of my sins, both those known to me and those unknown."
Living in sin is knowingly committing the same sin over and over. You avoid it by letting go of the sin that has you stuck. Prayer and meditation will help as well as a source of good counseling in the church.

No, that all sounds nice, but it's not the first step by any means.
The first step is to know what is right, and why it is right.
The second step is to know that living differently is possible. That's a hard one, because it admits that there is an achieveable different choice.
The third step is to look at the alternatives.
The fourth step is to take one small step in the right direction, and survive it.
 
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No, that all sounds nice, but it's not the first step by any means.
The first step is to know what is right, and why it is right.
The second step is to know that living differently is possible. That's a hard one, because it admits that there is an achieveable different choice.
The third step is to look at the alternatives.
The fourth step is to take one small step in the right direction, and survive it.
thanks for clearing that up. No need for repentance I guess
 
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Why? Repentance means change, not apology.

It is an apology and an inherent promise of change.

Full Definition of repent
(Entry 1 of 2)

intransitive verb

1: to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life
2a: to feel regret or contrition
b: to change one's mind
transitive verb

1: to cause to feel regret or contrition
2: to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for

Definition of REPENT
 
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It is an apology and an inherent promise of change.
Regret yes and if anything humbling ourselves before God, but apologies are too easy to be used to turn a profit by unscrupulous clergy. Notice there is nothing in the definition about apology.
 
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Ok I definitely try I hate my sin. It's always my sin I keep on doing. Then I'll repent and then do some more sinning. I have to admit some of my sin may be done on purpose. I need to repent of that correct? How do I know what's a sin and what's not? The Bible doesn't cover every sin does it?
Repentance is all about what you are not doing. If you examine the Ten Commandments you will see that they involve what we are not to do. Therefore if a person is breaking the Commandments and then embraces Christ as Saviour and follows the instruction to repent, he stops doing what he did before.

Repentance is not becoming ultra religious, attending church, walking the walk and talking the talk, reading the Bible, praying, being involved in religious activities. Religious hypocrites can do all these things and remain unrepentant.

The truth of the Gospel is that we have been set free from the penalty and power of sin, but the presence of sin still remains in our flesh (our mortal bodies), and this is where our temptation comes from from.

There are two types of sin - from the flesh (the body), and from the heart. When a person is truly converted to Christ, their heart is changed. Their heart desires holiness and breaking the Commandments is not what their heart wants to do. But, as Paul says, while his heart wants to follow God's Law, there is another law in his body that causes him to do the things he doesn't really want to do, and stops him doing the things he wants to do. This is his conflict. But he resolves the conflict by putting his full trust in Christ and his conclusion is that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. He realises that God's grace is sufficient for him.

The Scripture says that we are saved by God's grace through our faith in Christ, and it is not of ourselves, but it is the gift of God to us, not of works lest anyone should boast. Jesus has paid the debt of sin for us by taking the penalty of it on Himself as He suffered on the Cross. All we have to do when temptation and sin troubles us is to confess it to God (in other words, talk about it to Him) and He will forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The promise is that God's throne of grace is open for us and we can come boldly to it to gain mercy and help in time of need. God's remedy for sin in us is for us to have faith and trust in Christ's finished work on the cross and to be open and honest with Him about our shortcomings and failures along with our heart desire for holiness.
 
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Often coming out of sin is a journey. We can fall into sinful habits due to pressures in our environment. i.e. as an example, a single person may fall from time to time into porn usage. Why? They may feel they have no prospects, and in their disenchanted state may fall to the lower nature.

It is not that this Christian is unsaved, but rather has more to deal with than a married person. There are people who have great struggles in life, and in those struggles may see any number of sins as a "way out".

This is not to say that God wants us to sin, no, rather he understands stumbling through life. We should hate our sins and move away from them. The fact that we can, and do fall, and still receive forgiveness should help us move closer to God, grow in trust, and be able to leave our sins behind.

Pro 3:7-8 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

Fight hard against sin, don't make excuses for it, but know that God is not hard on you.
 
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If we are disgusted by our sin is that proof that we're living in sin? It's proof that we're regenerated and that the Holy Spirit is living within us. But does this get nullified by living in sin?

Because last I checked the Bible contains multiple warnings against sinning and last I checked? I sin. A lot. Several times a day probably. How am I supposed to confess all that sin and confess sins I don't even remember?

Just...what is living in sin and how do I avoid it? I know regeneration is a sign you're among the elect and I should trust in christ death for all my sins but... the Bible scares the pants off me.

If you're breathing then you're living in sin.

That's why we are called to confess our sins, called to repentance. We are called to repentance and faith. Repenting of our sin, and believing in the Gospel.

There are no winners in Jesus' Church, only losers whom God graciously has adopted as His own beloved children; to whom He grants the winning victory of Jesus Christ by His grace alone, so that we have received the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ as pure gift, as grace. And thus we are justified freely by God's grace, through faith, on Christ's account alone, apart from our works, apart from all our efforts to be holy and in accordance with God's commandments.

So, of course you are a sinner. Of course you are living in and with sin. The question isn't whether or not we are sinners (we are sinners, of course we are sinners). The question is whether or not we have received that new life from God which is in Christ, for us, by the power of the Spirit; a life which is given freely from God as grace, the life that is of faith. Faith which justifies, because this faith trusts upon, and clings to, Jesus; and Jesus' righteousness, His justice, is imputed to us.

Thus whoever is baptized, whoever has faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, that person belongs to God, their sins are forgiven, their guilt is washed away, and they have a free conscience before God on Christ's account.

We still struggle against the old man, that's why St. John tells us, "If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9). That is God's promise to us, to His Church, to believers. That forgiveness is always there, God forgives us, Jesus Christ died and rose again, we are baptized, we are forgiven and washed clean, born again. It is to us, believing Christians, that are called to confess our sins, not because by sinning somehow God forgets what He's already done; but because the Christian life is a life that is found in God's grace, in God's mercy, His forgiveness. Forgiveness is ours at every hour of every day. The Scriptures declare that God's mercies are new each morning, that God is renewing us day by day, that God's work which He began in us He is faithful to continue until the Last Day. That's God's promise to us.

And so the Christian life is a life lived cleaving to, hearing, and trusting in God's promises. Because there is no where else we can go to find the words of eternal life (John 6:68), it is only in Christ's word, Christ's promises, only in Christ. And God ever speaks His word to us, the word of the Gospel, the word of Christ, the word of His grace and mercy, His forgiveness, of our adoption as sons and daughters. And so we confess our sins and repent, not because we need to "start over", but because God calls us to repentance, that we might ever be reminded of His promises.

When I confess my sins, when I repent, it is true enough that I grieve over my sin. Even if I am not aware of this or that particular sin, I am still quite aware of my sin. Because I know me, I know that I haven't been loving every neighbor I meet the way I should be. I know that my thoughts have not all been good. I know my feelings have been fickle, I've gotten angry, I've felt bitterness at some point over the last week. The Law says I'm a sinner, it's the inescapable conclusion when I see what the high and good standard of God's justice is. I certainly am not turning the other cheek every time, I certainly am not loving my enemy, feeding him, giving him drink, going out of my way to perform acts of service toward those who have mistreated me, or who said some gaffe and I am irrationally annoyed or irritated by. So I confess I am a sinner--God alone knows just how incredible the volume of my many sins are--and I trust in God's promises.

I strive to do better, and sometimes I almost do. And then when I finally do something I ought, I become full of myself, my flesh arises to claim ownership of the good work, and thus through my flesh even the good I do turns rotten, condemning me in my sin. Therefore, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

And it is in confessing our sins, in repentance, that we are honest with ourselves about what and who we are in our sin; and that makes the Gospel all the more sweet. It is that sweetness of the Gospel that says over wretched sinners like you and me, that God loves us, that Christ died for us, that all of our sins are washed away in the blood of the Lamb, that God's promises to us in His Word and Sacraments are true and efficacious. I'm forgiven, and so are you.

The forgiven sinner has nothing to boast of except the cross of Jesus Christ, God's mercy, and the great love with which He loves the world.

So, trust in Christ, because you are a great sinner.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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how do I avoid it?
doing what God has you doing so you are busy with loving

Loving is much more good and enjoyable than what sin promises to do for us.
How do I know what's a sin and what's not? The Bible doesn't cover every sin does it?
There is enough about what is wrong, so we can learn to get with God, instead. And then God is guiding us in His peace, so that we can tell something is wrong simply since it gets us away from God and how He shares with us and guides us in His peace.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)
 
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The fact is you are still a slave to sin.

If you are saved, Jesus will free you from this bondage, and this will take time because of your persistent love to your master, the sin.

Work on your holiness as much as you can. Learn and walk in humility and you will receive Grace. Grace is the power you need to overcome the bondage to sin.
 
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I know regeneration is a sign you're among the elect and I should trust in christ death for all my sins but..
Ask yourself how this fits in with Jesus' only gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom rather than church teachings.
 
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