The KJVO myth...

[robycop3]

Can you post the Hebrew word that says "him"?

I believe it's "iysh" or something close.

 

[Fervent]

Nice try but Hebrews is quoting Genesis 22:2.

Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Yes, and both of those have in mind that Isaac is the child promised to Abraham that was conceived in accordance with God's plan rather than through Abraham's attempts to fulfill the promise prematurely. Isaac was Abraham's legitimate heir according to the flesh, and in that sense was unique among those classified as Abraham's sons. No need to appeal to some ill-defined category of "spiritual sons" when the text explicitly spells out that Ishmael is illegitamate because of Abraham's transgression in conception.

 

[robycop3]

Would you agree that Easter is the celebration of the fulfillment of Passover?

Easter is the observance of Jesus' resurrection, while passover is the observation if God's destroyer "passing over " Israel when he killed the firstborn of Egypt.

 

[robycop3]

In my Greek seminary studies, I discovered that one of the few KJV errors in translating happened when the translators confused two very similar verbals translated "only begotten" by them in the KJV. The correct Greek word is translated much more accurately as "one and only," meaning "unique," for Jesus as the Father's Son, as the NIV correctly translates it.

We can talk about the implications for a long time, but a friend of mine declared that on the basis of the KJV, Jesus had to have experienced birth before he came to earth and was therefore less than the Father in essence, a false conclusion proved to be so by the correct translations of the four much-more-ancient, major manuscripts discovered since the KJV was published.

My point is that wrong translations can lead to heresies. We should compare all of the translations with the Greek.

I agree. The KJV has quite a few, and virtually all English Bible translations have some. After all, these translations are the products of God's perfect word being handled by imperfect men.

 

[robycop3]

So much for the canon of Scripture, then.

Call whatever you wish "Scripture". That's between you and God.

 

[Bob_1000]

I believe it's "iysh" or something close.

No it isn't "iysh", it's nothing... there is no Hebrew word for "him" in that verse. The pronominal suffix to "preserve" which is translated as "them" in Psalm 12:7, is in the third person masculine singular and that's why some translations say, "You will preserve HIM from this generation forever." instead of THEM. That's also why the KJV margin note says "him i. all of them". The KJV translators ALWAYS added margin notes where they were FORCED TO INTERPRET as part of their translation work.

That verse and many many other verses in the bible can only be translated by interpreting scripture first. Psalm 12:1-5 is about Jesus coming to liberate the Godly Jews from the wicked Jews as prophesied in the PURE INERRANT words of Lord that God promises to preserve forever.

 

[Bob_1000]

Yes, and both of those have in mind that Isaac is the child promised to Abraham that was conceived in accordance with God's plan rather than through Abraham's attempts to fulfill the promise prematurely. Isaac was Abraham's legitimate heir according to the flesh, and in that sense was unique among those classified as Abraham's sons. No need to appeal to some ill-defined category of "spiritual sons" when the text explicitly spells out that Ishmael is illegitamate because of Abraham's transgression in conception.

It has nothing to do with the child being conceived in accordance with God's plan, it's not even about an earthly conception it's about a literal, real, spiritual conception. Isaac was literally the one and ONLY son that Abraham led to the Lord at that time. ISAAC WAS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.

Do you understand that we, as Isaac was, are children of Abraham? This is like the absolute basics of Christianity and I don't understand how you can't see it.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Rom_4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Your twisting the word of God to make "one and only" mean "unique" and missing the whole message God gave in that verse. It's like you could care less what's actually written if it goes against what you believe. Instead of conforming your beliefs to the word of God you're conforming the word of God to your beliefs.

 

[Bob_1000]

Easter is the observance of Jesus' resurrection, while passover is the observation if God's destroyer "passing over " Israel when he killed the firstborn of Egypt.

What does SACRIFICING the PASSOVER LAMB have to do with anything that happened to Jews in Egypt?

 

[Bob_1000]

I agree. The KJV has quite a few, and virtually all English Bible translations have some. After all, these translations are the products of God's perfect word being handled by imperfect men.

Can you post any verses that support the idea that God's word would eventually become corrupted?

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Can you post any verses that support the idea that God's word would eventually become corrupted?

Do you agree that there can be poor translations?

 

[Bob_1000]

Do you agree that there can be poor translations?

A poor translation can't be considered scripture because the main qualifier of scritpture is that it's inspired by God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Isilwen]

the PURE INERRANT words of Lord that God promises to preserve forever.

Is that a specific Bible?

 

[Isilwen]

ISAAC WAS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.

Where is that in the Bible?

 

[Bob_1000]

Is that a specific Bible?

There are parables and foreshadows in the bible that in my opinion point to God giving his word to all peoples in their native tongue. In my opinion the English bible is the KJV.

 

[Isilwen]

There are parables and foreshadows in the bible that in my opinion point to God giving his word to all peoples in their native tongue. In my opinion the English bible is the KJV.

Do you exclude other Bibles then?

 

[Bob_1000]

Where is that in the Bible?

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

 

[Bob_1000]

Do you exclude other Bibles then?

I didn't at first but when I saw huge mistakes, lies and contradictions in other bibles I threw them in the trash can. Now I will only read the KJV.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

A poor translation can't be considered scripture because the main qualifier of scritpture is that it's inspired by God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So a translation can't go out of date or the words that were fine 400 years ago have changed their meaning, “For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.” (Philip. 1:8.)

 

[GreekOrthodox]

I didn't at first but when I saw huge mistakes, lies and contradictions in other bibles I threw them in the trash can. Now I will only read the KJV.

Ah, so you read Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to know that?

 

[Isilwen]

I didn't at first but when I saw huge mistakes, lies and contradictions in other bibles I threw them in the trash can. Now I will only read the KJV.

Okay. I am in disagreement with you on this. If you are comparing newer Bibles to the KJV, in my opinion thatb is a false equivalency. It would be a false equivalency because the KJV itself is a translation.

I tried to read the KJV and well, it's distracting to me. I failed Shakespeare in high school, so there is that. It's distracting in that we no longer speak in that vernacular. The trees and thous and other words of the 17th century vernacular are words that we do not use everyday and so it distracts me and keeps me from reading through fluidly.

So, I prayed about which Bible to purchase and my first purchased Bible was the NKJV. This was over 10 years ago now. Just recently I prayed again for which Bible to purchase as my NKJV was falling apart and was lead to the NRSV with apocryphal.

So, I'm not so sure that the KJV is the only Bible we're supposed to read. Again, thatbis my opinion, but when backed up by prayer and where I was lead for my own Bibles by God.