Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

[U.S. Grant]

Those terms are not used in the OT, but the laws can be seen to be of three different categories: civil, moral (Decalogue) and ceremonial (sacrifices, defilements, cleansings, purifications, feasts, seasons, etc.).
We find the ceremonial laws, which caused the Jews to be separate from the Gentiles and to despise them as unclean, removed in Ephesians 2:15.
We find the civil laws removed in the end of Israel in the destruction of Jerusalem.
We find the Decalogue removed in its subsummation into Jesus' two commandments (Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:40).

Does not the Word of truth show this division as pointed out in the response above?

NT usage sometimes divides them.

Was the covenant changed, or made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) and a whole new covenant introduced?

Okay, we are saying the same thing.
The NT teaches that the Decalogue was subsumed into the law of Christ (Romans 13:8-10) and
the commandments and regulations were abolished in the flesh of Jesus Christ on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
That covers the whole waterfront of the law as being set aside.

Okay, we are saying the same thing.

No doubt what we are saying has the same end result, which is what matters most: we are doers of the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.

The NT teaches that the Decalogue was subsumed into the law of Christ (Romans 13:8-10) and
the commandments and regulations were abolished in the flesh of Jesus Christ on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
That covers the whole waterfront of the law as being set aside.

Maybe I am misreading you.

But if I do get your meaning, then I would have to say that the decalogue was not subsumed into the law of Christ. At the death of Jesus, there was nothing left from it to be subsumed.

The law of Moses was ended at the cross in the flesh of Christ. It no more exists on earth than does the tables they were written on.

The law of Christ began completely new with His resurrection.

Some that was written in the law of Moses is now written in the law of Christ, and we keep it, because it is law of Christ, not of Moses.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is in the law of Christ, which is the law Paul is speaking of. We do not transgress it, because it is law of Christ, which is the law fulfilled by loving our neighbors as ourselves.

The law of Moses no longer exists, and is not fulfilled by anyone on earth, including them in the Jews Religion, who only read Moses.

 

[U.S. Grant]

"First" being before those still alive rise in the air together with them.

True, which may be why it is called the 'first' resurrection in Rev 20.

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Or, since Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and we are in Him, then we are in the resurrection of the newness of life, which certainly would be a spiritual resurrection and perhaps the first resurrection referred to in Rev 20.

Maybe I am moving more in your direction.

 

[Clare73]

Those terms are not used in the OT, but the laws can be seen to be of three different categories: civil, moral (Decalogue) and ceremonial. Does not the Word of truth show this division as pointed out in the response above?
I understand; however, I must remain firm, that I do not see Scripture nor the law of God in that way: it is true and righteous altogether, and all of it has power of God to justify and condemn.

I must stick with my point that it is one whole law, even as it is all Scripture, and if any is changed, then all must be changed.

NT usage sometimes divides them.

Where and how so? If so, then I must change my above view.

You are just too good to be true!

Does not Romans 13:8-10 specifically separate the Decalogue from the rest of the Sinaitic law and establish the Decalogue in
Christ's law?

And with that separation in mind, would not the "weak and miserable principles" of "special days and months and seasons and years!" (Galatians 4:9-11) be distinct from the Decalogue?
(I can already hear your response to this one.)

We do not nullify the law by faith we uphold (establish) the law (Romans 3:31; Matthew 5:17).

I'll let you tell me what I am omitting.

 

[Clare73]

Was the covenant changed, or made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) and a whole new covenant introduced?
Here is how I see it from Scripture:

The first covenant and law of Moses was made void by the natural born seed as prophesied in Psalms 89 and 119, when they made their own God of Israel to be crucified.

Well, I'm going on Jesus' words without a back story:
He announced or gave the New Covenant at the Last Supper (Luke 22:20), thereby making the old Mosaic covenant obsolete at his death.

The prophecy of Scripture in Psalms 14 and 53 was also fulfilled, where they declared there is no God, and Paul quoted that prophecy in context of all on earth being guilty before God. (Rom 3)

The promised dish was wiped clean (2 Kings 21:13). All they that dipped their hands with Jesus in the dish in Matthew 26 betrayed Him as the cross, according to His own prophecy in John 16.

The law and covenant and people of God ended on earth for three days, when not even the God of Israel was in heaven, nor on earth to keep covenant with them. There was no law of God for mankind at that time.

Why wouldn't Christ's law (Matthew 22:37-40) given before he died be the law?
Not getting how God disappears. . .and wasn't there always a believing remnant for him to keep covenant with? Some ordinary folks had believed in him.

Like Gen 1:2, it was all made void on earth, and for three days Satan ruled over all the earth in deep darkness, which Jeremiah prophesied would come to pass in the last days of that covenant and law on earth:

I dunno'. . .The Son of God's body was dead, but the Son of God's spirit was alive as part of the whole Godhead, which did not vanish.
And we find Jesus preaching victory during that time to the spirits in prison from Noah's day.

For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. (Jerem 4)

A full end of a law and covenant and promised people of God on earth was not made, because with the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Spirit of God began to move upon the face of the waters of all people, to repent and believe the gospel of Christ.

So you're saying it was a temporary "end"?
The new covenant would have begun with the completion of the atoning sacrifce in his death, right? It's beginning is what ended the Mosaic covenant. Do we need a gap between them?

A completely new law and covenant and people of the risen God of Israel are now on earth: the law of Christ, the New Testament, and Christians being born and circumcised of the Spirit.
We fulfill the righteousness of the law of Christ, not of Moses

Except for that pesky little passage in Romans 13:8-10 about the law of Christ fulfilling the Decalogue.

 

[Clare73]

True, which may be why it is called the 'first' resurrection in Rev 20.

Not what I am saying.
At the second coming, those dead in Christ will resurrect first-- before those in Christ who are still living rise in the air, so they can all rise together to meet the Lord in the air.

I suggest the first resurrection in Revelation 20 is the rising of our human spirit from eternal death (not its natural death, it is immortal) into eternal life.

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Or, since Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and we are in Him, then we are in the resurrection of the newness of life, which certainly would be a spiritual resurrection and perhaps the first resurrection referred to in Rev 20.

Maybe I am moving more in your direction.

. . .

 

[visionary]

The book of Hebrews shows Christ as High priest making one sacrifice of himself on the day of atonement.
Ex 30:10 And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

exactly.. and it will come come to pass... There is so much symbolism, pageantry, and soon to be reality that understanding it will help you to be prepared for it... or like the Jews who followed their priests and not studied with the Holy spirit leading will miss the significance as it becomes a reality before our eyes, we are the congregation before the temple. We will see the choices being made, as in Rev 11, those who stay in the outer court will miss out.

 

[visionary]

What does that mean? Like arena style?

Now knowing the judgement of the Lord has an appointed time, called the Day of
Atonement, it is important to learn more about this appointed time and what to expect. I
want you to understand that when the Lord comes to His temple it will be fast, suddenly.
For those that are prepared for it, this will be a time of great rejoicing, for those who are
unprepared, it will be the judgement that they so feared.

 

[visionary]

In holy of holies, where is centered the symbolic service of atonement and intercession, the foreshadow of our future, Yeshua ministering as our High Priest before the mercy seat. “And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.” The ministry of Yeshua before He returns is conducted in the Most Holy Place before the mercy seat. This final ministry forms the connecting link that helps you understand Revelation. The final ministry reveals the relationship between heaven and earthly events in the last days. It can be better understood in the light of the fall feasts. Through the spiritual feasts that He has prepared for His children, God tells us how He will work out the final details of our salvation. Our God is a merciful, loving, longsuffering God who wishes all His Children to come home. God is the King of Kings and God of all the kingdoms, who has created us for His purpose. Our creator is calling us home.

 

[visionary]

Remember it was not until Moses broke the tablets because of what he saw before him, when he came down from Mount Sinai the first time that he wrote on parchment the details. The contrast, was eye opening as to how much in the darkness Israel was, must have been running through Moses' mind as he worked on the parchment of instruction for the children of Israel. The counsel of God and the atonement negotiation written by Moses could easily have been lot more different than we comprehend.

 

[visionary]

With His own finger God wrote His sacred Holy commandments on two tables of stone. These tables were not left in the keeping of men, but were placed in the ark; and in the great day when every case is decided, these tables, inscribed with His Royal Sacred Holy Ten Commandments will be placed so that all the world will see and understand. The witness against them will be unanswerable, that is what I believe will come to pass on Feast of Trumpets when the books of people's lives will be opened up to them. They will have ten last days before the Day of Atonement is made and once that is finished, the book on their lives will be closed. The Heavenly Sanctuary service where Yeshua has been ministering on your behalf will be over, and He will lay down His Priestly robe and put on His King of King garments and come for us.

 

[visionary]

Was the covenant changed, or made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) and a whole new covenant introduced?

Here is how I see it from Scripture:

The first covenant and law of Moses was made void by the natural born seed as prophesied in Psalms 89 and 119, when they made their own God of Israel to be crucified.

The prophecy of Scripture in Psalms 14 and 53 was also fulfilled, where they declared there is no God, and Paul quoted that prophecy in context of all on earth being guilty before God. (Rom 3)

The promised dish was wiped clean (2 Kings 21:13). All they that dipped their hands with Jesus in the dish in Matthew 26 betrayed Him as the cross, according to His own prophecy in John 16.

The law and covenant and people of God ended on earth for three days, when not even the God of Israel was in heaven, nor on earth to keep covenant with them. There was no law of God for mankind at that time.

Like Gen 1:2, it was all made void on earth, and for three days Satan ruled over all the earth in deep darkness, which Jeremiah prophesied would come to pass in the last days of that covenant and law on earth:

For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. (Jerem 4)

A full end of a law and covenant and promised people of God on earth was not made, because with the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Spirit of God began to move upon the face of the waters of all people, to repent and believe the gospel of Christ.

A completely new law and covenant and people of the risen God of Israel are now on earth: the law of Christ, the New Testament, and Christians being born and circumcised of the Spirit.

We fulfill the righteousness of the law of Christ, not of Moses.

Sanctification can be found in the Day of Atonement as the process by which God does the final purification of the believer. Sanctification’s first start in the believer’s new life is at the sacrificial death of Christ. Apostle Paul noted that God has chosen and reconciled us to Himself in Christ for the
purpose of sanctification, that we should be holy and blameless before God and zealous of good works. Old Testament sacrifices did not take away sin, but they offered the symbolism of sanctification for the purifying of the flesh.

 

[visionary]

There is also the aspect of the coming of the Day of Atonement and the need for repentance. Feast of Trumpets marks the beginning of a ten day countdown to the Day of Atonement. Because the Day of Atonement is judgment day, the trumpet is sounded as a reminder that judgment is very near and the time for repentance is short.

 

[visionary]

Trumpets image is fully employed in Revelation 4:1. After this I looked, and, behold a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.

In this tradition, the gates of Heaven are opened to receive our prayers of repentance and remain open until the conclusion of the Day of Atonement. This will be our opportunity to be shown the things which must be hereafter, the soon to come to pass in the last hours of earth’s history. Those things that we need to know and understand to be able to stand in the last days. The Day of Atonement service is concluded with one long trumpet blast which announces that the gates of heaven have closed and judgement is complete.

Therefore, the sound of the trumpet on Feast of Trumpets is a remembrance of the need to repent before judgement is made. Since the two witnesses are preaching repentance, it would not be surprising that they start at Jerusalem.

 

[visionary]

Zadok the priest took the horn of oil from the sacred tent and anointed Solomon. Then they sounded the trumpet and all the people shouted, "Long live King Solomon!" Only the King of Kings can take The Book out of the Hand of God. As one of the elders told John the Revelator, the Lion out of the tribe of Judah, and the root of David, has prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. He came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

So the coronation of the King of the Universe, our Lord Yeshua could occur during the Feast of Trumpets or on the Day of Atonement when He is handed all dominions.

 

[visionary]

On the Day of Atonement, there will be the coming of the Lord to His temple, your mind. The second coming, and the coming of the Lord to His temple, is distinct and separate events. The Day of Atonement is the coming to His temple and the Feast of Tabernacles is the second coming. The coming of the Lord to His temple, Malachi foretells as the judgment. Before the Lord comes to the temple, he will send “my messenger” to prepare the way just as John, the Baptist prepared the way with a call to repentance before Yeshua began His ministry.

 

[visionary]

Because the Feast of Trumpets is the New Year's Day (that is the anniversary of the completion of creation) it is also towards the end of the heavenly fiscal year. As at the end of our calendar year, New Years Day is the day when the ledgers must be settled. On the Feast of Trumpets, the books of judgement are opened and all the deeds of each person are reviewed by the heavenly court for judgement. Ten days later, on Day of Atonement, everyone's name will be written and sealed for final judgement in either the Book of Life or Book of Dead.

 

[visionary]

This imagery is reflected in Revelation where John sees the ultimate and final Day of Judgment which will be after the one thousand years. On the Day of Judgment, Day of Atonement, the righteous are written in the Book of Life. The wicked are written in the Book of Death. The intervening days between Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement are traditionally regarded as prime-time to sway the heavenly court's decision through serious prayer, repentance and acts of charity.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Now knowing the judgement of the Lord has an appointed time, called the Day of
Atonement, it is important to learn more about this appointed time and what to expect. I
want you to understand that when the Lord comes to His temple it will be fast, suddenly.
For those that are prepared for it, this will be a time of great rejoicing, for those who are
unprepared, it will be the judgement that they so feared.

What temple is that? The one He remade out of His flesh? That is the entrance ...

 

[visionary]

One of the most famous trumpet reference out of all the prophets is “And it will be on that day when a great trumpet will be blown, the perishing in the land will come, and they will worship before the LORD on the Holy Mountain in Jerusalem.”

This verse is a prophecy of the great Ingathering from all over. This Ingathering is to commence with the believers gathering together for the anticipated return of Christ. “But you are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first born, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.”

Because on the Day of Atonement is the day when sins are blotted out of the Books of Life. By this time, hopefully you are the temple of God through which the Holy Spirit operates and the image of God is once again indwelling in humans. It will be the time of restitution of all things back to God promised since the world began Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

 

[visionary]

How many people today make light of the Day of Atonement and not see the wedding. Even when the feast of trumpets should have woken them up to the event? So it is very important to be ready Rev 3:20 "and you yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately." Why would they open unto him immediately? I will tell you why. It is because they were expecting him, looking forward to this moment, and knew what to expect when he arrives.