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Walmart To Employees, "White is not Right"

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Why do I have to defend myself because I think racism happens?

If racism happens, then it should be confronted at the time. But teaching people as a matter of course that blacks are oppressed and whites are oppressors does nothing for team-building within a company--or society.
 
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Why do I have to defend myself because I think racism happens?
It's called a debate forum.
Of course racism happens.
That ain't deep.
If we've plumbed your depths now, fine, I thought maybe
you had something of interest to say.
 
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It's called a debate forum.
Of course racism happens.
That ain't deep.
If we've plumbed your depths now, fine, I thought maybe
you had something of interest to say.

If you think CRT is a view that assumes America is a racist nation, responding to my argument would be more interesting, for a debate forum.
 
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If you think CRT is a view that assumes America is a racist nation, responding to my argument would be more interesting, for a debate forum.

CRT is an American issue.
I don't see USA as a racist nation, just one so obsessed
with the topic right now.
 
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There is a blindness we as a species possess. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and on the sixth day, created he man, male and female created he them, and he called their name Adam. This should tell every one of us here as believers in the living god, that there is only one race, multi colored, yes, multi cultured, yes too, but still, only one race. This is part of what makes CRT problematic, if not an outright lie. The reason for this is that CRT doesn't address legitimate issues within black communities, it just lays the blame into the lap of white people in spite of the fact the over whelming majority of white people not only aren't racist, but consider racism to be a bad bad thing. In this, it doesn't lift one black person out of the pit, or strengthen black communities, give them better educations, or equal opportunity, it just knocks white people down. This reality is why we should see CRT for what it is, an act of hubris, not an act of justice. Let's lift up those that are down, not knock down those that are up.

Actually, no. That's like saying the science of biology is inherently an object of evil.
 
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That is true, and it is perhaps the critical distinction between Asians and others who have immigrated to the US and those who are American descendants of slaves.

Having ancestors who were slaves has less influence upon a person living today than plenty of other factors that have nothing to do with slavery or race. If a person's parents are alcoholic, or abusive, or simply made bad financial decisions, it would make much more of a difference to your life than what the status of your great grandparents.
Way too much focus is being put on our ancestors when it comes to making excuses for the present.
 
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If racism happens, then it should be confronted at the time. But teaching people as a matter of course that blacks are oppressed and whites are oppressors does nothing for team-building within a company--or society.
the it is a good thing no one is doing this
 
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Having ancestors who were slaves has less influence upon a person living today than plenty of other factors that have nothing to do with slavery or race. If a person's parents are alcoholic, or abusive, or simply made bad financial decisions, it would make much more of a difference to your life than what the status of your great grandparents.
Way too much focus is being put on our ancestors when it comes to making excuses for the present.

I've started a long thread on this that I'll get back to in a few days.

The slave culture that was imposed by the slave traders and slave owners still persists as the ADOS culture. We still live that slave culture. We have to separate ourselves from it--and, yes, that's our job to do.
 
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I think it's pretty hilarious that some weird conspiracy theory website can piece together their own ideas and words with 2-3 word out-of-context "quotes" from a document which they are unable to produce yet can somehow quote from and then people who want to believe what they're selling throw it out there as ultimate and undeniable proof of some kind of nefarious conspiracy against....white people. Just typing all of this makes me LOL!!!!! Thanks for the Friday afternoon laugh!!!

I had no idea it was a conspiracy theory website.

Here's the same article in a non-conspiracy theory website. Enjoy.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/walmart-trains-staff-in-critical-race-theory/
 
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Somehow, I don't think so.

I do.

[QUOTE
I do think there is a systemic disadvantage for some minority groups.[/QUOTE]

Like?

That doesn't mean I think all white people in America are racists or that America is a racist nation.

Then you should oppose CRT.

It does mean that I think disadvantage is baked into the system, probably for a number of reasons, which is what something like the study of systemic problems would be needed to figure out.

CRT doesn't actually do any analysis.
But, no, it's a "worldview that assumes the US is a racist nation" and "white people are immoral racist oppressors," because Walmart did a thing.

No....it assumed those things before Walmart started pushing it on employees.
 
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Cool...

Find any sociological research paper that claims to analyze a problem or issue through a CRT methodology or viewpoint. Make sure it's not hidden behind a paywall or access barrier.

Now reply to this post with the premise of the paper. Don't tell me the title and generalize any details that might allow me to search for the paper.

What I'll do is give you the conclusion to a high degree of accuracy....without ever reading the paper or even knowing the methodology. That's not something you can do with real research....because real research has unexpected results all the time.
 
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Then say "class" which of course in Marx's day was far more
spark than now.

But it's not based on class lol....it's based on race and culture.


Don't use conspiracy theory terms if you ont mean
it or want to be taken seriously. Here is no cultural
or racial Marxism. Accept your mistake, learn from it,
and move on.

It's not a conspiracy theory, I've read Marx. He's below average when it comes to economics....but he's well above average at creating revolutions. He saw class as the issue he could use to push discontent in the average person. He lived in a time and place where there was too much racial homogeneity to push a racial Marxism and culture had not been stripped from the common man....so that wouldn't work either.

There was, however, a growing gap between the wealthy and the poor....as was the case in many of the nations that adopted Marxism. As a model for revolution, it doesn't work so well in the US. The average man stands to lose too much from revolution. Our poor are richer than the poor in most of the world.

If you want to apply Marxist tactics to sow discontent in the US, you need to choose something people already have grievances over.

Did you not say Marxism is evil? Good yiu see it is not.

As for it being tried? It's never been tried.

Of course it's been tried. It's been tried multiple times....it just happens to run into the same problems.

Communism is a picture of an end goal. It doesn't have a realistic plan for achieving that end goal....but communists know what society should look like if they are successful. Every attempt at communism is a "try" regardless of the fact it never succeeds.

The free market capitalism that the USA so fervently
exports isn't so hot either.

It certainly has its flaws.

Neither free market capitalism and democracy or Marxism
come anywhere near to their ideals.

Don't blame the ideas for the actions of people who
cannot act in good faith.

I'd be less inclined to do so if the idea in question hadn't resulted in some of history's greatest atrocities.

Capitalism for all it's flaws is based on a simple but ugly truth....economic equality cannot be achieved.

Communism is based on a beautiful lie....not only can economic equality be achieved, but we can achieve it now.

It's not that I like ugly truths....but I'm an atheist, I've learned to accept them.
 
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How did we get to 80+ posts talking about a document which no-one has even seen?

If you follow the links from the NY Post, you're taken to a website that has the leaked document. It appears to be a complete package from "Racial Equality Institute LLC".

I don't see Wal-Mart anywhere in the document, but then again, it wouldn't be, if the company is distributing the packet to their employees as training from a third-party company that produces such training materials.

Having worked at a large corporation, these types of training packets go in one ear and out the other anyway.

Employers aren't allowed to discriminate by race. A training packet isn't discrimination, but enforcement is.

From a Christian perspective:

We are to love one another selflessly. We are all God's creation. It's difficult, while living in a sinful world full of selfishness, to imagine a world where selfless love keeps us in harmony—but isn't that the standard of heaven that will be restored some day? Something to think about.
 
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Stuff like this doesn't surprise me anymore.

This story is from last month.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/09/google-pushing-critical-race-theory-in-staff-training-report

These three graphics intrigue me the most.

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Covert white supremacy includes: Denial of racism(kafkatrap), not believing experiences of BIPOC (apparently it's okay to not believe experiences of white people), tone policing(how is this even white supremacist?), saying "But what about me?" and assuming good intentions are good enough.
It seems the definition of the phrase white supremacy, just like the word racist, has been stretched to mean "Anything I don't like."

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The fact that they put Ben Shapiro on the list, who is Jewish and a target of actual white supremacists shows that they are using this phrase as a smear for anyone or anything they don't like.



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This graphic made me think this was all fake, that is why I decided not post it on this forum even though I wanted to. This phrase was used to mock these type of people, now it seems they're wearing as a badge of honor.
 
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