Breach of the Capitol: Consequences, Repercussions & Reactions

[Deviant Writer]

The media are progressives.

Except for Fox News, conservative news websites, conservative social media, conservative radio and conservative Youtube channels.

That's all I have to say. It is what it is. And Jan 6 was a terrible moment. No excuses.

You are literally one out of two conservative people I know or hear from who have said anything even remotely close to "They were conservatives and it was still terrible and violent." Most either say it was Antifa and condemn the riot for that or just try and tell me it wasn't it wasn't a riot to begin with.

 

[rjs330]

Feb 9th, 2017

Great going. 5 Berkeley students of unknown politics talking about an entirely different event.

Does it matter when the riots occurred? If they defended them then you don't think they would defend them now?

I think you are missing the larger point. Which is progressives have defended riots.

 

[rjs330]

By your logic, we can count all Republicans, particularly politicians, as supporting the protests and arguments of Westboro Baptist. Again, you made a claim and, to support it, you are basically stating that every Democrat believes the same as the most extreme "leftist" (many of whom likely don't even identify as "Democrat").

I didn't say all progressives. But an awful lot of them do. There were and are those on this board that have. And those that have not. In fact there were those on this board that utterly condemned the riots. And I applauded them when they did.

But far too many did support or defend the riots and a lot of them were in the media and acedemia and in politics. Not joining just some fat left folks on the fringes of society.

 

[Whyayeman]

I think this is a bit of a diversion. The riot in question is resulting in convictions. As we are not discussing other riots here we are not getting any information about trials, convictions or sentences.

Are we agreed that the law should be applied even-handedly, and that when it is not an injustice occurs?

 

[rjs330]

Except for Fox News, conservative news websites, conservative social media, conservative radio and conservative Youtube channels.



You are literally one out of two conservative people I know or hear from who have said anything even remotely close to "They were conservatives and it was still terrible and violent." Most either say it was Antifa and condemn the riot for that or just try and tell me it wasn't it wasn't a riot to begin with.

Then you need to read and listen to more conservative media. Which is so much smaller than progressive media which is nearly every network, newspaper, magazine, sports journalists, you tube channels, progressive websites etc. They far outnumber anything conservative out there.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I didn't say all progressives. But an awful lot of them do. There were and are those on this board that have.

Show us. I showed you mine. Including 1 with 13 Winner ratings drawn primarily from the liberals here. I've seldom seen such violent agreement (to eschew violence).

 

[rjs330]

I think this is a bit of a diversion. The riot in question is resulting in convictions. As we are not discussing other riots here we are not getting any information about trials, convictions or sentences.

Are we agreed that the law should be applied even-handedly, and that when it is not an injustice occurs?

I would agree with that. And those that rioted and looted last summer as well as those that rioted in January should be charged. A lot charges were dropped against last year's rioters. Rather unjust.

Like I said, progressives believe the Jan 6 riot was the worst thing ever. But it was ONE riot on ONE day. Not days and days of rioting injuring thousands of people and causing billions in damages, not to mention economic losses.

There were people who died during the riots last summer.

Death Toll Grows In National Protests Over George Floyd Police Killing

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0200603-xrc3akhpn5bbvehumr7v2z2com-story.html

In the capital riot 3 of the 5 died of natural causes.

The inconsistency is what bothers me.

 

[Pommer]

I didn't say all progressives. But an awful lot of them do. There were and are those on this board that have. And those that have not. In fact there were those on this board that utterly condemned the riots. And I applauded them when they did.

But far too many did support or defend the riots and a lot of them were in the media and acedemia and in politics. Not joining just some fat left folks on the fringes of society.

How many protests were actual riots?

 

[Deviant Writer]

Then you need to read and listen to more conservative media. Which is so much smaller than progressive media which is nearly every network, newspaper, magazine, sports journalists, you tube channels, progressive websites etc. They far outnumber anything conservative out there.

Okay. Can you list some names? You just said "many" without saying who they were. I'm looking for conservatives whose position mirrors you own: That believe the Jan. 6 rioters were conservative and have condemned the violence.

 

[Whyayeman]

A lot charges were dropped against last year's rioters. Rather unjust.

Perhaps this issue deserved a thread of its own. (I have not seen one.)

However, it was not the 'progressive media' which dropped charges. Why they were dropped might throw light on the issue you have raised.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The FBI raided the home of the vice president of the Proud Boys’ Philadelphia chapter on Friday, seizing his computer, phone, and other electronics to gather information on the Jan. 6 attack at the U.S. Capitol, his lawyer said Monday.

 

[essentialsaltes]

LINK

A federal judge on Tuesday morning declined a request by prosecutors to sentence a man who admitted he was present inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 to one month of home confinement. Rather, Judge Trevor McFadden decided that defendant Eliel Rosa would be sufficiently deterred from any future criminal activity by serving 12 months on probation, performing 100 hours of community service, and pay $500 in restitution.

According to court documents, Rosa, currently of Texas, is in the United States on political asylum. While being sentenced, he thanked U.S. taxpayers for footing the bill for his federal public defender.

Durn furriners coming to our shores... insurrecting and getting free legal counsel. But at least he's grateful.

 

[rjs330]

How many protests were actual riots?

Hundreds.

New Study Shows Hundreds of BLM 'Protests' Turned Violent

Another says 7% if them. That's a lot. And why does that matter? It's certainly more than one.

 

[rjs330]

Okay. Can you list some names? You just said "many" without saying who they were. I'm looking for conservatives whose position mirrors you own: That believe the Jan. 6 rioters were conservative and have condemned the violence.

Hannity condemns Capitol violence, calls for perpetrators to be 'arrested and prosecuted'

Here's a list if some.

Conservative media decry Capitol riot, but grievances remain

Glen Beck did also as did people like Pat Gray and others.

Now remember I didn't say ALL and you asked who and I have provided who. I could find more, but I've made my point.

 

[rjs330]

The FBI raided the home of the vice president of the Proud Boys’ Philadelphia chapter on Friday, seizing his computer, phone, and other electronics to gather information on the Jan. 6 attack at the U.S. Capitol, his lawyer said Monday.

If he was involved then he needs to go to jail.

 

[rjs330]

Perhaps this issue deserved a thread of its own. (I have not seen one.)

However, it was not the 'progressive media' which dropped charges. Why they were dropped might throw light on the issue you have raised.

I thought someone mentioned justice. We all know the media does not determine justice. I'm not sure why you brought up the media regarding justice.

 

[Deviant Writer]

Hannity condemns Capitol violence, calls for perpetrators to be 'arrested and prosecuted'

Here's a list if some.

Conservative media decry Capitol riot, but grievances remain

Glen Beck did also as did people like Pat Gray and others.

Now remember I didn't say ALL and you asked who and I have provided who. I could find more, but I've made my point.

Okay. Fair enough. You did make your point at least as far as the prominent ones. And, no, I don't expect you to list every example that has ever existed.

 

[Pommer]

OT

 

[Whyayeman]

I thought someone mentioned justice. We all know the media does not determine justice. I'm not sure why you brought up the media regarding justice.

I think you brought up the media as being mainly progressive and linked that to a perceived leniency in the treatment of BLM activities. I think the inference was that it was unfair. The question at the bottom of this is - why were January 6th rioters brought to justice when BLM rioters weren't?

It is a fair question and well worth discussing. I think it deserves its own thread, as I have already pointed out. This thread is about the consequences, repurcussions and reactions to the assault on the Capitol on January 6th. So let us keep to the topic, please.

 

[rjs330]

I think you brought up the media as being mainly progressive and linked that to a perceived leniency in the treatment of BLM activities. I think the inference was that it was unfair. The question at the bottom of this is - why were January 6th rioters brought to justice when BLM rioters weren't?

It is a fair question and well worth discussing. I think it deserves its own thread, as I have already pointed out. This thread is about the consequences, repurcussions and reactions to the assault on the Capitol on January 6th. So let us keep to the topic, please.

The media doesn't determine justice. There is and was a different treatment of the BLM riots and the Jam 6 riot from the media and other progressives. A repercussion of that is a further erosion of our abilities to communicate. When progressives continue to push this narrative that Jan 6 was the worst thing when they excused and defended the BLM riots which resulted in more death, destruction and injuries it just creates barriers to honest discussion.

I've also stated another consequence in that the Jan 6: incident is used by progressives to damage the conservative cause. And rightfully so. But progressives wont acknowledge the same thing for the riots last summer.