IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

[Davy]

Sorry dear friend but I believe that the OP has already proven what I say. They are not my words but Gods Word, showing ....

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked
2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked
3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT IS GOD'S CHURCH linked
4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

Of course you are free to believe and do what ever you wish as that is between you and God. There is no scripture you have provided here that supports your teachings that I can see. You do know that God never made a covenant with gentiles right? Who was the new covenant made to according to the scriptures? (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 and what do you think the new covenant is? This is really not very hard. If we are not a part of God's true Israel defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who believe and follow Gods' Word we have no part in God's new covenant promises.

Take Care.

I believe what is written in God's Word, not men's leaven doctrines added to God's Word. This is why most on this thread evade the creeping in among Israel of the Canaanite peoples that is written of in God's Word.

As for covenants that God made, The New Covenant Jesus Christ is FOR EVERYONE THAT BELIEVES ON THE FATHER AND THE SON. At that point, even the Gentile comes into those covenants that God made to Israel. Haven't you ever read what Apostle Paul said in Ephesians 2 about the "commonwealth of Israel" regarding the Gentile believer?

And as I have been saying, the Promises God gave to Israel are forever. They DID NOT DIE OUT with The New Covenant. God even makes the point that the 'seed' of Israel is forever in Jeremiah 31. That means the chosen 'seed' of Israel specifically, and not some spiritual Israel idea.

 

[Guojing]

As for covenants that God made, The New Covenant Jesus Christ is FOR EVERYONE THAT BELIEVES ON THE FATHER AND THE SON. At that point, even the Gentile comes into those covenants that God made to Israel. Haven't you ever read what Apostle Paul said in Ephesians 2 about the "commonwealth of Israel" regarding the Gentile believer?

Paul did not state in Ephesians 2 that we gentiles are now also under the covenant God made with Israel.

We are saved thru being in the Body of Christ directly (Ephesians 1:7), and not thru a covenant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Haven't you ever read what Apostle Paul said in Ephesians 2 about the "commonwealth of Israel" regarding the Gentile believer?

Yes Gods' Israel according to God's Word in the new covenant God's Israel is no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born again by the Spirit into God's new covenant promises (shown above) *see also John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29 and Romans 2:28-29. According to the scriptures gentile believers are now grafted in through faith because they believe and follow what God's Word says. *Romans 11:13-27 and we are all now one in Christ. Therefore if we are not a part of God's Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise.

Ephesians 2 only supports the OP and is posted there where it says...

Ephesians 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

Gentile believers are now apart of God's true Israel. According to Romans 11:13-27 they are not grafted in by faith. If we are not a part of God's Israel we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

Take Care.

 

[prophecy_uk]

LoveGodsword: "Gentile believers are now apart of God's true Israel. According to Romans 11:13-27 they are not grafted in by faith. If we are not a part of God's Israel we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27."




LoveGodsword, right here, quotes Jeremiah 31, and Ezekiel 36, for the new covenant to be made with Israel, then quotes Romans 11, 13-27, but below it is shown from verse 25, all the way to verse 31.


LoveGodsword, teaching in the letter, focuses on the covenant, and gentiles being a part of Gods Israel.


But the Spirit says very differently in the focus. To not be IGNORANT, of the mystery ( of God) or you will be WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS. Has LoveGodsword addressed this, or skipped around it instead?



The covenant with Israel is when ungodliness is turned away from Jacob.

Concerning the Gospel ( of Christ) they had to be enemies to Christ, or no light would have come to the Gentiles.

That was why the Gentiles are to not boast RIGHT NOW, or they will be cut off by the same example of faithless exaltation.....



Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off....



Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.




Gods ways are too high for people, that is why we have a world of Israel now that does not turn to the Lord. It is the same world that contains only debating believers, it is predicted for the ending of all things ( now) God gave unbelief to all Israel, so that now leads us to below...





Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,




Above the blindness continued on Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles came in. That was the seven times of the Gentiles, and came to 1917, when Israel was alive again ( BUT LIFE FROM THE DEAD) to be returned to Israel, the land freed up during world war one and two, even as Jesus said for the signs for the end of the world, nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom, I can tell you all details if anyone wants, my name is prophecy after all....



Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.




Now, speaking expressly what it means for the Gentiles grafted into Israel, and the teaching that LoveGodsword gives, how there are no Jew and Gentile any more, only one in faith.


Of course that is ignoring the beginning of the description, how the gospel of circumcision went with Peter, to the circumcision. There was a separate gospel of the uncircumcision committed to Paul ( there always was a difference)....



Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.




The last to say is, how there is neither male nor female, neither Jew nor Gentile.

Did female end then ? No, because there are yet separate ways for male and female, so of course there are separate ways for Jew and Gentile, only they still are one in Christ and the wisdom of the people of this world is foolishness with God..




Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsword: "Gentile believers are now apart of God's true Israel. According to Romans 11:13-27 they are not grafted in by faith. If we are not a part of God's Israel we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27."




LoveGodsword, right here, quotes Jeremiah 31, and Ezekiel 36, for the new covenant to be made with Israel, then quotes Romans 11, 13-27, but below it is shown from verse 25, all the way to verse 31.


LoveGodsword, teaching in the letter, focuses on the covenant, and gentiles being a part of Gods Israel.


But the Spirit says very differently in the focus. To not be IGNORANT, of the mystery ( of God) or you will be WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS. Has LoveGodsword addressed this, or skipped around it instead?



The covenant with Israel is when ungodliness is turned away from Jacob.

Concerning the Gospel ( of Christ) they had to be enemies to Christ, or no light would have come to the Gentiles.

That was why the Gentiles are to not boast RIGHT NOW, or they will be cut off by the same example of faithless exaltation.....



Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off....



Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.




Gods ways are too high for people, that is why we have a world of Israel now that does not turn to the Lord. It is the same world that contains only debating believers, it is predicted for the ending of all things ( now) God gave unbelief to all Israel, so that now leads us to below...





Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,




Above the blindness continued on Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles came in. That was the seven times of the Gentiles, and came to 1917, when Israel was alive again ( BUT LIFE FROM THE DEAD) to be returned to Israel, the land freed up during world war one and two, even as Jesus said for the signs for the end of the world, nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom, I can tell you all details if anyone wants, my name is prophecy after all....



Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.




Now, speaking expressly what it means for the Gentiles grafted into Israel, and the teaching that LoveGodsword gives, how there are no Jew and Gentile any more, only one in faith.


Of course that is ignoring the beginning of the description, how the gospel of circumcision went with Peter, to the circumcision. There was a separate gospel of the uncircumcision committed to Paul ( there always was a difference)....



Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.




The last to say is, how there is neither male nor female, neither Jew nor Gentile.

Did female end then ? No, because there are yet separate ways for male and female, so of course there are separate ways for Jew and Gentile, only they still are one in Christ and the wisdom of the people of this world is foolishness with God..




Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

????? Sorry I got no idea on what your talking about in your post or how you believe it addresses anything in the OP.

 

[Guojing]

????? Sorry I got no idea on what your talking about in your post or how you believe it addresses anything in the OP.

He is trying to say that Jews and gentiles are equal in the Body of Christ, but it does not mean you can call the Body of Christ as "spiritual Israel".

These 2 terms are not equivalent.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He is trying to say that Jews and gentiles are equal in the Body of Christ, but it does not mean you can call the Body of Christ as "spiritual Israel".
These 2 terms are not equivalent.

Jews and Gentiles being equal in the body of Christ is what the OP is stating. According to the scriptures, God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer all those who are only born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit into God' new covenant promise through faith *Romans 9:6-8; John 3:3-7; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. In the new covenant scriptures a Jew, is not a Jew which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. - Romans 2:28-29. According to the scriptures, both Jewish born believers and gentile believers are all now one in Christ and through faith and are now Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise *Galatians 3:28-29. Gentiles are now grafted in through faith *Romans 11:13-27. Therefore if you are not a part of God's Israel under the new covenant you have no part in God's new covenant promise which is only given to God's Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12. According to the scripture the name ISRAEL is only a name given by God to all His people who believe and follow what Gods Word says (scripture support here). God never made a covenant with gentiles *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

Take Care.

 

[Guojing]

Jews and Gentiles being equal in the body of Christ is what the OP is stating. According to the scriptures, God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer all those who are only born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit into God' new covenant promise through faith *Romans 9:6-8; John 3:3-7; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. In the new covenant scriptures a Jew, is not a Jew which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. - Romans 2:28-29. According to the scriptures, both Jewish born believers and gentile believers are all now one in Christ and through faith and are now Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise *Galatians 3:28-29. Gentiles are now grafted in through faith *Romans 11:13-27. Therefore if you are not a part of God's Israel under the new covenant you have no part in God's new covenant promise which is only given to God's Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12. According to the scripture the name ISRAEL is only a name given by God to all His people who believe and follow what Gods Word says (scripture support here). God never made a covenant with gentiles *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

Take Care.

At least you now get an idea what he was saying. Whether or not you accept or reject is up to you.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Yes, Jews and Gentiles have differences, the same as female and male do, it is very silly to try to ignore things.

 

[Davy]

Israel under the New Covenant = Israel under the Old Covenant

And proselytes were made.

Genesis 17:9-14 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Pretty straight-forward, right?

Apparently Israel considered the USA their house... via circumcision of the stranger.
But to say Don't circumcize the gentiles... either you don't know about this everlasting covenant, or you kinda-sorta-secretly hate gentiles... male.

So your really JEWISH, and follow Judaism.

That's... what your post above shows. It is still supporting flesh circumcision for Jews today, which is NOWHERE REQUIRED by Jesus Christ per The New Covenant.

As a matter of fact, Apostle Paul rebuked the Pharisee converts to Christ per his Epistle to the Galatians. Those Judaizers were troubling the Gentiles in the congregation about the need to be circumcised!

Gal 5:6-12
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Paul did not state in Ephesians 2 that we gentiles are now also under the covenant God made with Israel.

We are saved thru being in the Body of Christ directly (Ephesians 1:7), and not thru a covenant.

That's right, Paul in Ephesians 2 didn't say believing Gentiles are under the 'old covenant', and I didn't intend to imply that. What Paul said is about God's Promises to Israel which actually go back to Abraham, which you apparently don't know the difference. I should have said, "covenants of promise", which is what Paul said...

Eph 2:12-13
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
KJV

Per Romans 4 and Galatians 3, those in Christ inherit WITH faithful Abraham. Paul even calls those in Christ, "children of Abraham".

So what 'promises'... did God give to Abraham by the Promise by Faith? And remember, Paul said we have believed the same Faith that Abraham believed. And also remember, the Promise by Faith God first gave to Abraham was 430 years PRIOR to the giving of the old covenant to Israel. The children of Israel didn't even exist yet in the days of Abraham, for that seed was still in Abraham's loins.

They are the same promises of inheritance of the land, plenty of corn and wine, ruling the gates of one's enemies, as many seed as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky, etc. All those 'covenants of promise' the believing Gentile has come into through Faith on Christ Jesus and are part of that "commonwealth of Israel" that Paul mentioned in Ephesians 2:12, which is about Christ's Church. Many brethren are simply not aware that those OT promises first given through Abraham have continued into The New Covenant through Jesus Christ.

 

[Davy]

I can tell you exactly which Israel is in the new covenant.

Jeremiah 31 states that the new covenant is with the HOUSE of Israel, and the HOUSE of Judah, meaning national Israel and Judah.

You've got some misleading in that.

The New Covenant Jesus Christ is NOT... with the unbelievers of Israel. It is only with believers of Israel, of both the house of Judah (believing Jews, which are of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi) and the "house of Israel" (believing remnants of the northern ten tribes of Israel).

Basically, those believing Israelites today make up a huge portion of Christ's Church. Those un-believing Israelites still belong to both houses, yet they are NOT under Christ, for they still do not believe.

And for those who may not know it, Hebrews says the Jeremiah 31 new covenant was put in effect with the death of Jesus, who is the mediator of it, so it’s indeed in effect right now.

Notice the Jeremiah 31 Hebrews 8 Scripture how it reads in assigning the promise to the houses. There's a distinction in it many miss.

Heb 8:8-10
8 For finding fault with them, He saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in My covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
KJV

Anytime God's Word mentions both the "house of Judah" and "house of Israel", it is making a distinction at the point of history after... God split old Israel per 1 Kings 11 forward. In Hebrews 8:10, notice only the "house of Israel" is mentioned, leaving out the "house of Judah". And verse 8 just mentioned both, so they too are still the subject there.

Why would God leave the "house of Judah" out of that later verse about that covenant?

I believe it's because of Romans 11 where Paul taught that God blinded Israel (Judah) in part so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. When Jesus returns, I believe the majority of Jews of the "house of Judah" will also believe, and that's when all Israel will be joined back to the lands of promise to their fathers.

 

[Davy]

Yes Gods' Israel according to God's Word in the new covenant God's Israel is no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born again by the Spirit into God's new covenant promises (shown above) *see also John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29 and Romans 2:28-29. According to the scriptures gentile believers are now grafted in through faith because they believe and follow what God's Word says. *Romans 11:13-27 and we are all now one in Christ. Therefore if we are not a part of God's Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise.

You're missing quite a bit. What Jeremiah 31 per God's Own Words shows is that His chosen 'seed' of Israel and His promises to them, will never perish.

What all was contained in God's promises to Abraham, which Abraham believed and God counted it to Abraham as righteousness? Was it the Promise by Faith only (The Gospel)? Do you know?

God's promises to Abraham included not only The Gospel, but also:
1. as many seed as the stars of the sky and sands of the sea, and that seed is meant as literal seed out of his loins. The idea of spiritual seed is a separate matter, but still under that same Faith Abraham had.
2. plenty of corn and wine. The promises that continued to Abraham's children, like Isaac, Jacob, and the 12 sons of Jacob, and Joseph's sons, are promises originally to Abraham's Faith.
3. ruling over the gates of one's enemies.
4. inheritance of the lands of promise, that God showed Abraham.
5. kings (promise to Jacob; Jesus is our KING)

All that is included in The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and is the "covenants of promise" that Apostle Paul was talking about in Ephesians 2 involving the "commonwealth of Israel" per The New Covenant Jesus Christ.

 

[Guojing]

That's right, Paul in Ephesians 2 didn't say believing Gentiles are under the 'old covenant', and I didn't intend to imply that. What Paul said is about God's Promises to Israel which actually go back to Abraham, which you apparently don't know the difference. I should have said, "covenants of promise", which is what Paul said...

Eph 2:12-13
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
KJV

Per Romans 4 and Galatians 3, those in Christ inherit WITH faithful Abraham. Paul even calls those in Christ, "children of Abraham".

So what 'promises'... did God give to Abraham by the Promise by Faith? And remember, Paul said we have believed the same Faith that Abraham believed. And also remember, the Promise by Faith God first gave to Abraham was 430 years PRIOR to the giving of the old covenant to Israel. The children of Israel didn't even exist yet in the days of Abraham, for that seed was still in Abraham's loins.

They are the same promises of inheritance of the land, plenty of corn and wine, ruling the gates of one's enemies, as many seed as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky, etc. All those 'covenants of promise' the believing Gentile has come into through Faith on Christ Jesus and are part of that "commonwealth of Israel" that Paul mentioned in Ephesians 2:12, which is about Christ's Church. Many brethren are simply not aware that those OT promises first given through Abraham have continued into The New Covenant through Jesus Christ.

When I stated "Paul did not state in Ephesians 2 that we gentiles are now also under the covenant God made with Israel", I included the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:8 as well, which is also made with Israel.

 

[Ligurian]

Genesis 17:9-14 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

So your really JEWISH, and follow Judaism.

That's... what your post above shows. It is still supporting flesh circumcision for Jews today, which is NOWHERE REQUIRED by Jesus Christ per The New Covenant.

As a matter of fact, Apostle Paul rebuked <snip>

Galatians 3:5 ...vs... John 14:15-17 = Galatians 2:7-9
Gentile letters aren't written to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, and visa versa.

The word is Ioudaios

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and the blasphemy of them which say they are Judaean, and are not but the assemblies of Satan.

Ioudaios = from Iouda (in the sense of Ioudas as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.
Iouda = of Hebrew origin; Judah (i.e. Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine:--Judah.

Jesus says what He teaches and to whom:

Mat4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, He departed into Galilee; 13 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, [by] the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Nation; 16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Mat15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

Mat10:5-7 These Twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Mat28:16 Then the Eleven Disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in Earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and disciple wholly the nation, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Ezekiel 34:30-31 And they shall know that I am the Lord their God, and they My people. O house of Israel, saith the Lord God, ye are My sheep, even the sheep of My flock, and I am the Lord your God, saith the Lord God. John 10:1-18

 

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Before Israel and Judah separated, they were all Hebrews who went peacefully into Egypt, and who God brought out of Egypt.

Notice here immediately the purpose, and the whole point everybody is far from, it is that God is everything, otherwise God would have never called His people out of Egypt.

We know very well how those people behaved in the wilderness, so that God let die all that were of war, and all that were disobedient to God, which was all the generation completely.

Same happened again, the Hebrews once in the promised land, that even Moses did not get to step into, only to see the land that Abraham was promised and walked up and down in, the people went in and corrupted their way until all exiled, and they divided their nation by war and disagreement.

Jesus comes to earth, into that Land, into Bethlehem, and being persecuted by the rulers, was taken into Egypt, and this time God calls His true Son out of Egypt.

Now there are no divisions any more, and even anyone who shows verses or speaks to make their own individual point, whatever it is, fails after the same example of unbelief as Israel.

Gods church is to the ones who can believe, of Jesus who had nowhere to lay His head, that is the church, when we go out to Him from both our bondage of Egypt and our divided opinions, and from the comforts of our life that we trust in, walk in, whether Jew, or non Jew, or any religion at all, all go the same way as everybody before, or they are away from all of this, following the only one to follow, and by laying their life down in the same way, because of becoming a son of God through the Son. All verses are written for purpose, but if men are that same vanity, they cant see that purpose..


Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

 

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Before Israel and Judah separated, they were all Hebrews who went peacefully into Egypt, and who God brought out of Egypt.

Notice here immediately the purpose, and the whole point everybody is far from, it is that God is everything, otherwise God would have never called His people out of Egypt.

We know very well how those people behaved in the wilderness, so that God let die all that were of war, and all that were disobedient to God, which was all the generation completely.

Same happened again, the Hebrews once in the promised land, that even Moses did not get to step into, only to see the land that Abraham was promised and walked up and down in, the people went in and corrupted their way until all exiled, and they divided their nation by war and disagreement.

Jesus comes to earth, into that Land, into Bethlehem, and being persecuted by the rulers, was taken into Egypt, and this time God calls His true Son out of Egypt.

Now there are no divisions any more, and even anyone who shows verses or speaks to make their own individual point, whatever it is, fails after the same example of unbelief as Israel.

Gods church is to the ones who can believe, of Jesus who had nowhere to lay His head, that is the church, when we go out to Him from both our bondage of Egypt and our divided opinions, and from the comforts of our life that we trust in, walk in, whether Jew, or non Jew, or any religion at all, all go the same way as everybody before, or they are away from all of this, following the only one to follow, and by laying their life down in the same way, because of becoming a son of God through the Son. All verses are written for purpose, but if men are that same vanity, they cant see that purpose..


Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

We are in the new covenant now not the old. What scripture did you provide that says God's Israel are not now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word? - Nothing *see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29. Need more scripture showing how God's true Israel is in the new covenant? (scriptures provided here linked)

 

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Loves: "What scripture did you provide that says God's Israel are not now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word?"


Women follow as women, men follow as men, Jews follow as Jews, and non Jew follow as them. That is why the covenants went to Israel, and why they did have different ways such as continuing circumcision as seen with their discussions with Apostle Paul.

The head of the woman is the man, but we serve the Lord together, in our different ways. Jews did the same.

There was the gospel to the circumcision, and the gospel to the uncircumcision.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Loves: "What scripture did you provide that says God's Israel are not now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word?"


Women follow as women, men follow as men, Jews follow as Jews, and non Jew follow as them. That is why the covenants went to Israel, and why they did have different ways such as continuing circumcision as seen with their discussions with Apostle Paul.

The head of the woman is the man, but we serve the Lord together, in our different ways. Jews did the same.

There was the gospel to the circumcision, and the gospel to the uncircumcision.

The commissions are not the same as who God's Israel is in the new covenant...

Galatians 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

Romans 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

Take Care.

 

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Galatians 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female


There is male and female, there is Jew and Gentile, and there was yet as servants, and all are still one in Christ....


1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

1 Corinthians 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;