United Airlines to fire 593 unvaccinated employees

[loveofourlord]

The last few months many are, they care about their rights over caring about others

few months, it's been that for years. I've made the comment that americans seem to worship the constitution to a fault, can't fix anything like gun control or religious freedom no matter who it hurts became MAH FREEDOMS. Or just since covid how suddenly the people that claim to be about morality are suddenly more interested in freedom over lives and morality.

 

[RaymondG]

. When have employers ever really suffered consequences for dismissing the feelings of people they fire? From my experience they could really care less and certainly won’t be held legally liable.

Be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Fret not thyself because of those who seem to prosper in their ways....for they will soon be cut down like the grass, and whither as the green herb.

Do not think that, because one appears to be good without....everything is good within and in their personal life. The situation in which you give, may be totally different from the manner in which you recieve......but the principle will be the same.

Let us not look for the fruit others are reaping.....and instead focus on the seeds we plant for ourselves.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I'm personally up to the back teeth with those refusing to get vaccinated and actually protesting about lockdowns when they are the ones that are perpetuating the situation.

Zero sympathy. And well done to the vast majority of emplyees who did the right thing for themselves, their company, their customers, their families, their friends and colleagues and society as a whole.

Did the right thing for society? Well, if the jab actually prevented transmission or contraction of the disease, you would have a valid point. But it does not.

It was reported today that the Aladdin show on Broadway closed after one day; multiple breakthrough cases in the cast and crew - all vaccinated.

Your "zero sympathy" is indeed misdirected...and rather inhumane, actually.

 

[cow451]

United reported 99% of its employees are vaccinated. 593 refusing to get vaccinated will be terminated.

United Airlines says 99% of workers vaccinated; nearly 600 will be fired | WGN-TV

Sounds fair.

 

[Blade]

"593 workers refused to be jabbed and failed to apply for the exemption on religious or medical grounds which the firm set as mandatory in the event of failing to vaccinate. "

"The company, however, will allow employees to keep their jobs if they have been vaccinated but failed to submit proof by the deadline, or if they will be jabbed before the formal decision on the dismissals comes through. This means unvaccinated workers have several weeks or even months under the union’s current dismissal rules to undergo inoculation if they wish to stay."

Lol its not "get the shot or lose your job". Even more to this story. Yet they have every right to to this. Just few days ago in the airport thanked a pilot for what they do every day. Lol he said.. I don't go work. I have the best job. He loved what he does. They have to think about all on the plane. We just forget that covid is not a "smart" virus. You get the shot you can still get covid you can still have it and not know it and pass it along.

So in the end.. I see no problem here.

 

[cow451]

The employers made there choices and will have to deal with consequences as well......As do we, for our agreement or disagreement with what is happening.

For there are consequences for removing one from their job, because they did not do something, unrelated to the job, that we feel they should have done. And there are consequences for dismissing the feelings and suffering those that are fired will have to endure.

This ain't a new thingy. It was telegraphed and should not be surprising to any of the ex-employees. Natural and logical consequences. The whining is very old.

 

[pitabread]

Well, if the jab actually prevented transmission or contraction of the disease,

It substantially reduces the risk thereof. Which is why we need everyone to get vaccinated.

This is all-or-nothing mentality is entirely missing the point of why we have and are requiring vaccines.

 

[RaymondG]

This ain't a new thingy. It was telegraphed and should not be surprising to any of the ex-employees. Natural and logical consequences. The whining is very old.

Yes, the idea that , if you plant a tomatoe seed, you will reap tomatoes, is a very old thingy indeed. I was stating the obvious in respond to another post I read. Feel free to ignore it if it bothers you.

 

[Sparagmos]

Be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Fret not thyself because of those who seem to prosper in their ways....for they will soon be cut down like the grass, and whither as the green herb.

Do not think that, because one appears to be good without....everything is good within and in their personal life. The situation in which you give, may be totally different from the manner in which you recieve......but the principle will be the same.

Let us not look for the fruit others are reaping.....and instead focus on the seeds we plant for ourselves.

Clearly whatever the employers are reaping hasn’t caused them to start caring about the feelings of people they fire. In my lifetime it’s only gotten worse. One of the employers I deal with threatened to fire their entire crew for one store if they called off work after a COVID outbreak. The workers just wanted to quarantine while waiting for their COVID test results but the company was more concerned with making money off of pumpkin lattes…

 

[loveofourlord]

Clearly whatever the employers are reaping hasn’t caused them to start caring about the feelings of people they fire. In my lifetime it’s only gotten worse. One of the employers I deal with threatened to fire their entire crew for one store if they called off work after a COVID outbreak. The workers just wanted to quarantine while waiting for their COVID test results but the company was more concerned with making money off of pumpkin lattes…

This is a problem for ages, people go into work with the flu and cause the entire resteraunt/work place to call in sick, because, "If you won't come in to work sick I will find someone who will." kinda hoping that covid will see the end to this kind of nonsense.

 

[cow451]

Yes, the idea that , if you plant a tomatoe seed, you will reap tomatoes, is a very old thingy indeed. I was stating the obvious in respond to another post I read. Feel free to ignore it if it bothers you.

No "e" in tomato.

 

[cow451]

Clearly whatever the employers are reaping hasn’t caused them to start caring about the feelings of people they fire. In my lifetime it’s only gotten worse. One of the employers I deal with threatened to fire their entire crew for one store if they called off work after a COVID outbreak. The workers just wanted to quarantine while waiting for their COVID test results but the company was more concerned with making money off of pumpkin lattes…

United isn't interested in reaping COVID.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

It substantially reduces the risk thereof. Which is why we need everyone to get vaccinated.

This is all-or-nothing mentality is entirely missing the point of why we have and are requiring vaccines.

You cut the entire sentence off.

It is true that the jab neither prevents transmission or prevents one from contracting it, and that the viral load is just as high, regardless of status, if infected.

It is also true that a major Broadway show had to shut down after one day because of all the breakthrough infections, even though everyone there had to be vaccinated just to be present.

We have to acknowledge truth even when it doesn't fit our narrative.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

"593 workers refused to be jabbed and failed to apply for the exemption on religious or medical grounds which the firm set as mandatory in the event of failing to vaccinate. "

"The company, however, will allow employees to keep their jobs if they have been vaccinated but failed to submit proof by the deadline, or if they will be jabbed before the formal decision on the dismissals comes through. This means unvaccinated workers have several weeks or even months under the union’s current dismissal rules to undergo inoculation if they wish to stay."

Lol its not "get the shot or lose your job". Even more to this story. Yet they have every right to to this. Just few days ago in the airport thanked a pilot for what they do every day. Lol he said.. I don't go work. I have the best job. He loved what he does. They have to think about all on the plane. We just forget that covid is not a "smart" virus. You get the shot you can still get covid you can still have it and not know it and pass it along.

So in the end.. I see no problem here.

I did see that. The employees should have taken one course or the other, whichever was appropriate for them. And natural immunity should be acknowledged and accepted in lieu of the jab, if they had already recovered.

 

[pitabread]

It is true that the jab neither prevents transmission or prevents one from contracting it, and that the viral load is just as high, regardless of status, if infected.

Peak viral load can potentially be the same. But average viral load is less, and the duration of the time a person carries the virus is reduced. And the risk of contracting the virus is also reduced.

Which is why the vaccine significantly reduces the risk of transmission of the virus. Which is again the whole point of the vaccines in the first place.

It is also true that a major Broadway show had to shut down after one day because of all the breakthrough infections, even though everyone there had to be vaccinated just to be present.

Okay. And?

We have to acknowledge truth even when it doesn't fit our narrative.

Then do you agree that the vaccine significantly reduces the risk of transmission of the virus?

I feel like you don't want to acknowledge this.

 

[sfs]

It is true that the jab neither prevents transmission or prevents one from contracting it

The jab prevents some transmission and prevents some people from contracting the virus. Are you clear on that fact or not?

 

[rjs330]

especially if they are working in planes, where covid even with repcautions will easily spread.

I thought masking was the preventative. Now we're are saying vaccines are? Even when the science says those that are vaccinated can still carry the virus. And now we know they can still get the virus.

I'm all for freedom of businesses to do what they want to do with their business and safety. But I. This case they are forcing their employees to undergo a medical treatment. I'm not so sure about that.

 

[loveofourlord]

I thought masking was the preventative. Now we're are saying vaccines are? Even when the science says those that are vaccinated can still carry the virus. And now we know they can still get the virus.

I'm all for freedom of businesses to do what they want to do with their business and safety. But I. This case they are forcing their employees to undergo a medical treatment. I'm not so sure about that.

You guys keep using this refuted a million times talking point like your actually saying something important, it just makes you look silly.

Masks reduce your chances of spreading covid, the vaccine reduces your chances of spreading covid. It's not either or, it's both. Every single thing that works towards reducing the chance is cumulative. Making it so that people are far more safe. Please just learn the science instead of repeating stupid talking points.

 

[sfs]

I thought masking was the preventative. Now we're are saying vaccines are? Even when the science says those that are vaccinated can still carry the virus. And now we know they can still get the virus.

I thought driving sober was the way to prevent accidents. Now we're saying that driving with our headlights at night on is? Even when the science says that drivers with headlights on can still hit other cars and even kill and be killed?

Do you really think this is a good argument?

 

[cow451]

You cut the entire sentence off.

It is true that the jab neither prevents transmission or prevents one from contracting it, and that the viral load is just as high, regardless of status, if infected.

It is also true that a major Broadway show had to shut down after one day because of all the breakthrough infections, even though everyone there had to be vaccinated just to be present.

We have to acknowledge truth even when it doesn't fit our narrative.

The truth is vaccination prevents infections from being as severe and deadly. That's the truth.