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Then, like Rahab, they were no longer Gentiles, but Jews, having entered into the Sinaitic covenant. However, what of the untold millions of Gentiles who had no association with the God of the Jews, much less the Sinaitic covenant. Were they in any manner affected by that covenant?

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

James 2:
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,”(Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Gal 3:8 "the Gospel was preached to Abraham"

1 John 5:3-4 "This IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND Their faith in Jesus"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
 
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Was Abraham a Jew in your POV?
Was Noah a Jew in your POV?
Was Jonah sent to the Jewish city of Nineveh in your POV?
Was Enoch a Jew in your POV?
Was Able a Jew in your POV?

Abraham was not a descendant of Isaac and, therefore, technically was not a Jew.
Ninevah was definitely not a Jewish city.
Enoch was not a Jew.
Abel (not Able) also was not a Jew.
 
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1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

James 2:
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,”(Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Gal 3:8 "the Gospel was preached to Abraham"

1 John 5:3-4 "This IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND Their faith in Jesus"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

So, what you are saying is that the untold millions of Gentiles who, having never even having heard anything about Jehovah or His law, are now roasting in hell. Is that correct?
 
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So, what you are saying is that the untold millions of Gentiles who, having never even having heard anything about Jehovah or His law, are now roasting in hell. Is that correct?

I am saying it was always wrong to murder and take God's name in vain - Jewish or not. Noah is one of the giants of faith listed in Hebrews 11 - who shared that key detail with his family.

Romans 1 affirms it as does Rom 3 as noted in my prior post about "all the world" and "every one accountable to God"
 
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I am saying it was always wrong to murder and take God's name in vain - Jewish or not. Noah is one of the giants of faith listed in Hebrews 11 - who shared that key detail with his family.

Romans 1 affirms it as does Rom 3 as noted in my prior post about "all the world" and "every one accountable to God"

Well, do you believe that every person on earth apart from God's people are either murderers or blasphemers of Jehovah? I rather think it is mighty difficult to take God's name in vain when a person has never even heard it or knows a thing about it. That leaves murder. Oh, and the Sabbath. All those folks are definitely guilty of not attending church on Saturday, so God is roasting them in hell right now for breaking His unalterable commandment.
 
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Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


Well, do you believe that every person on earth apart from God's people are either murderers or blasphemers of Jehovah? .

Are you asking if I "still believe Romans 3"???
 
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Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,




Are you asking if I "still believe Romans 3"???

Got it! You believe that everybody who has not attended church on Saturday is frying in hell when they die.
 
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Got it! You believe that everybody who has not attended church on Saturday is frying in hell when they die.

Apparently you enjoy "quoting you" and then blaming whatever you say --- on me.

-- try quoting "me" when you start off with a "you believe" statement. It is closer to actual truth that way.
 
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Apparently you enjoy "quoting you" and then blaming whatever you say --- on me.

-- try quoting "me" when you start off with a "you believe" statement. It is closer to actual truth that way.

You posted -

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

In posting these two verses do you understand them to mean that all have sinned because by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in the sight of God?

Also, if by the law is the knowledge of sin, does that mean that everyone who has no contact whatsoever with the law of God have no knowledge of sin?
 
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I have a simple question.

Why do you think God cares what day we have for Sabbath?


Hi True Counterphobia,

I'm not on this forum that much so I apologize for taking so long to respond.

Do you think God cared from which tree in the garden of Eden He told Adam and Eve not to eat? Would Adam and Eve be guiltless if they had rationalized that as long as they didn't eat from one tree in the garden that God would be pleased?

What about marching around Jericho? Do you think God cared that they do as He commanded and march around the city 1 time for six days and then 7 times on the seventh day? What if the people were too tired and thought 5 times was enough, would the walls still have come down?

What about Naman and his leprosy? What if he only washed 6 times in the Jordan, would his leprosy have been healed?

Adam and Eve were presented a test in the garden and they failed it by eating what God told them not to eat. You and I are given our own testing time. Jesus said, "If you love me ..." what will you do?

I pray this helps.

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I have a simple question.

Why do you think God cares what day we have for Sabbath?

So you want us to guess what God was thinking when He said --

"Tomorrow IS the Sabbath" Exodus 16
"The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10
"The Sabbath - the Holy Day of the LORD (YHWH)" Is 58:13
 
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You posted -

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

In posting these two verses do you understand them to mean that all have sinned because by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in the sight of God?

Yes and it also shows that the same moral law declaring all mankind to be sinners at Sinai - still does that same thing today. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Rom 3:23

Which is why humans still need to individually accept the Gospel today just as they also did in the OT.

Also, if by the law is the knowledge of sin, does that mean that everyone who has no contact whatsoever with the law of God have no knowledge of sin?

All have contact with it in some form according to Romans 1 - and according to John 16 "The Holy Spirit convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" - not just Christians.
 
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Adam and Eve were presented a test in the garden and they failed it by eating what God told them not to eat. You and I are given our own testing time. Jesus said, "If you love me ..." what will you do?

I pray this helps.

Icyspark

The other SDAs had a positive reaction to it. ;)
 
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So you want us to guess what God was thinking when He said --

"Tomorrow IS the Sabbath" Exodus 16
"The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10
"The Sabbath - the Holy Day of the LORD (YHWH)" Is 58:13

Hmmm. Do you think that the Israelites were breaking the Sabbath when they marched around Jericho?
 
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Hmmm. Do you think that the Israelites were breaking the Sabbath when they marched around Jericho?
I'd be more inclined to ask why the New Testament isn't considered to be the word of God by people who go to great lengths to argue that whatever the Old Testament said is eternally true and binding.

But whenever that's asked, no Sabbatarians will admit to what their analysis amounts to.
 
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I'd be more inclined to ask why the New Testament isn't considered to be the word of God by people who go to great lengths to argue that whatever the Old Testament said is eternally true and binding.

But whenever that's asked, no Sabbatarians will admit to what their analysis amounts to.

Details, details, details.
 
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I'd be more inclined to ask why the New Testament isn't considered to be the word of God by people who go to great lengths to argue that whatever the Old Testament said is eternally true and binding.

But whenever that's asked, no Sabbatarians will admit to what their analysis amounts to.
If only you could back this up with scripture. The Sabbath is mentioned close to 60 times in the New Testament and is shown that the Sabbath is still the law and still the commandment. Luke 6:9, Luke 23:56, Hebrews 4:9

The Sabbath is the only day that God blessed, made holy and sanctified in the entire bible. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 The Sabbath is the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and once God blesses something you cannot reverse it Numbers 23:20

Which is why Jesus and the disciples kept the Sabbath commandment by going to the Temples reading the Word of God and preaching on the Sabbath Luke 4:16, Acts 18:4

You think you need to convince us that God did not mean “Remember” when He wrote the 4th commandment, but we are not the ones you need to convince. I would want more evidence than what you have presented on these forums that God’s holy Sabbath day that is a commandment by God, was changed if it was me, but we are given free will.

God bless
 
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