Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[Hezekiah81]

Yes, that is a valid argument.
Where is the moral issue with "Sabbath-breaking"?
The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin.
Have you every felt guilty for not observing the Jewish Sabbath?
I haven't. I suppose someone could lay a guilt trip on you.
A recruiting technique for these folks.

How can you feel guilty about something you think isn't even made for you? Don't you want what God created for you? Come on Steve turn from those false teachers that hold fast to their traditions of men. God is calling you and He wants you to rest and praise Him on the day He chose and sanctified not man. Read my thread exegesis of subtle satan and receive the truth. God bless you.

 

[Faith Unites]

How can you feel guilty about something you think isn't even made for you? Don't you want what God created for you? Come on Steve turn from those false teachers that hold fast to their traditions of men. God is calling you and He wants you to rest and praise Him on the day He chose and sanctified not man. Read my thread exegesis of subtle satan and receive the truth. God bless you.

How can you feel guilty? BC the Holy Spirit would convict you. But maybe you are insinuating that non sabbath keepers are not Christian. Or maybe SDA just can’t see the forest for the trees. Missing the entire revelation of Christ bc the heterodox theology is hung up on a command that was fulfilled 2k years ago. God doesn’t want a day of observance from us. He wants every single breath.

 

[Hezekiah81]

How can you feel guilty? BC the Holy Spirit would convict you. But maybe you are insinuating that non sabbath keepers are not Christian. Or maybe SDA just can’t see the forest for the trees. Missing the entire revelation of Christ bc the heterodox theology is hung up on a command that was fulfilled 2k years ago.

Or maybe you have no percipience of God's word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How can you feel guilty? BC the Holy Spirit would convict you. But maybe you are insinuating that non sabbath keepers are not Christian. Or maybe SDA just can’t see the forest for the trees. Missing the entire revelation of Christ bc the heterodox theology is hung up on a command that was fulfilled 2k years ago. God doesn’t want a day of observance from us. He wants every single breath.

What many people do not realize according to the scriptures is that God's Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of God *John 6:63 and works through Gods Word as we have faith in what Gods' Word says. God does not convict us of sin if we do not know from His Word what sin is *James 4:17. This is why it is also written, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God in Romans 10:17. We need to know the Word of God before we can have faith to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. According to the scriptures the Spirit of God works through the Word of God convicting us of sin and righteousness and of the judgement to come.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Servus]

What many people do not realize according to the scriptures is that God's Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of God *John 6:63 and works through Gods Word as we have faith in what Gods' Word says. God does not convict us of sin if we do not know what sin is. This is why it is also written, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God in Romans 10:17. We need to know the Word of God before we can have faith to believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Hope this is helpful.

The issue however is the SDA interpretation of what what Gods' Word says in regard to the title of this this thread.

Basically SDA claim that their set apart latter-day unorthodox interpretation is correct, and therefore the interpretation held throughout orthodox Christianity since it began is incorrect.

So it's a matter of which interpretation of God's Word the Holy Spirit is leading you to accept or reject.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The issue however is the SDA interpretation of what what Gods' Word says in regard to the title of this this thread. Basically SDA claim that their set apart latter-day unorthodox interpretation is correct, and therefore the interpretation held throughout orthodox Christianity since it began is incorrect. So it's a matter of which interpretation of God's Word the Holy Spirit is leading you to accept or reject.

Brian let's talk more when you have scripture to share for your teachings. Your claims and accusations become a little boring and repetitive after a while when you have no scripture or evidence to support your opinions to be honest. Perhaps you may want to consider that not everyone seeks to follow what others are saying and follow man made teachings and traditions unsupported by the scriptures and that perhaps maybe some seek to know God for themselves through His Word claiming His promises (Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27). There is nothing that I can see in this thread that has been shared with you that is not scripture from Gods' Word and if that is the case what is it exactly that you do not believe that is being shared with you? For someone who claims to be a Sabbath keeper you sure act like someone who does not keep the Sabbath which is how your comments and opinions seem to come across that are not supported by the scriptures. Of course you are free to believe as you wish that is not between you and me but between you and God.

Take Care Brian.

 

[Servus]

Brian let's talk more when you have scripture to share for your teachings. Your claims and accusations become a little boring and repetitive after a while when you have no scripture or evidence to support your opinions to be honest. Perhaps you may want to consider that not everyone seeks to follow what others are saying and follow man made teachings and traditions unsupported by the scriptures and that perhaps maybe some seek to know God for themselves through His Word claiming His promises (Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27). There is nothing that I can see in this thread that has been shared with you that is not scripture from Gods' Word and if that is the case what is it exactly that you do not believe? For someone who claims to be a Sabbath keeper you sure act like someone who does not keep the Sabbath which is how your comments and opinions seem to come across that are not supported by the scriptures. Of course you are free to believe as you wish that is not between you and me but between you and God.

Take Care Brian.

As I keep having to point out, what has been shared by SDA regarding the topic, is the SDA interpretation of scripture. Some choose to consider this interpretation which was formulated by a person in the 1860s as correct. I however do not.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As I keep having to point out, what has been shared by SDA regarding the topic, is the SDA interpretation of scripture. Some choose to consider this interpretation which was formulated by a person in the 1860s as correct. I however do not.

Sorry Brian but I respectfully disagree. You have been provided what Gods' Word says through scripture. As posted earlier let's talk more when you have scripture to share that supports your teachings. All you are providing here is an opinion crying "interpretation". Just because everyone has an "interpretation" of the scriptures, this does not mean that there is not a correct and an incorrect understanding of the scriptures. There is only one definition of truth and that is Gods Word *John 17:17. Yet all your providing here are your words in disagreement with Gods' Word that is being shared with you.

According to the scriptures we are told by Jesus we shall know them, that is who are Gods' people and who are not Gods people by their fruit *Matthew 7:16-23 and it is the scriptures that say "to the law and the testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no truth in them." Isaiah 8:20. According to John we also read in 1 John 2:3-4 hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. It is the Word of God that shows us who is telling the truth and who is not and according to the scriptures it is those who speak against God's law who are not telling the truth.

You cry "interpretation interpretation" but it is Jesus who is also in agreement with the above scriptures provided in Isaiah 8:20 and 1 John 2:3-4 who says; A corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire. - Matthew 7:16-23. It is true that according to the scriptures in the last days there will be many false teachings and Jesus says that if it were possible these false teachers will seek to deceive if possible God's very elect in Matthew 24:24 (see also Acts of the Apostles 20:29; 2 Peter 2:1-3). This however does not mean that there is no truth or God's people would not be saved *John 17:17.

What I believe many do not see is that those who are born of the Spirit have God's Spirit to be their guide and teacher and it is God who leads them and guides us into all truth *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:24; Hebrews 8:10-12. This is God's promise to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. You can cry "interpretation, interpretation" all you like. That does not mean there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures and the truth of Gods' Word and a wrong one and according to Gods' Word (not mine) the wrong one is the one that teaches against Gods' law (Isaiah 8:20; 1 John 2:3-4; see also 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Take Care Brian.

 

[Servus]

Brian as posted earlier let's talk more when you have scripture to share that supports your teachings. All you are providing here is an opinion crying "interpretation". Just because everyone has an "interpretation" of the scriptures, this does not mean that there is not a correct and an incorrect understanding of the scriptures.

Exactly. And I find that the SDA understanding and unorthodox teaching of scripture regarding the topic is incorrect.

There is only one definition of truth and that is Gods Word *John 17:17 and God's Word says "to the law and the testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no truth in them." Isaiah 8:20. According to John we also read in 1 John 2:3-4 hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. So just because someone has an interpretation of the scriptures this does not mean what someone says is true or not true, it is the Word of God that defines what truth is and is not and according to the scriptures provided above you someone speaks against God's law and His Word there is no truth in them. So according to the scriptures we can see that those who teach against God's law are not teaching what Gods' Word says. You cry "interpretation interpretation". Jesus says by their fruits you shall know them. Every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. - Matthew 7:16-23. It is true that according to the scriptures in the last days there will be many false teachings and Jesus says that if it were possible these false teachers will seek to deceive if possible God's very elect in Matthew 24:24 (see also Acts of the Apostles 20:29; 2 Peter 2:1-3). This however does not mean that there is no truth or God's people would not be saved *John 17:17. What I believe many do not see is that those who are born of the Spirit have God's Spirit to be their guide and teacher and it is God who leads them and guides us into all truth *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:24; Hebrews 8:10-12. This is God's promise to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. You can cry "interpretation, interpretation" all you like. That does not mean there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures and the truth of Gods' Word and a wrong one.

Take Care.

From my perspective much of what you say here weighs against latter-day unorthodox teaching, rather than against original orthodox teaching regarding the topic of this thread.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Exactly. And I find that the SDA understanding and unorthodox teaching of scripture regarding the topic is incorrect. From my perspective much of what you say here weighs against latter-day SDA teaching, rather than against original orthodox teaching regarding the topic of this thread.

Yet here you still are after all this time unable to answer simple questions asked in regards to the scriptures shared with you, while refusing to discuss the scriptures in the posts that disagree with you. I have asked you many times now, what is it in the scriptures that have been shared with you here that you disagree with? All I hear in response is silence to these questions. Yet you are the one who claims to be a sabbatarian are you not and all that has been shared with you are scriptures in support of sabbath keeping which are Gods' Word not my words. According to the scriptures our opinions do not really matter much if they are not supported by the scriptures. Only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and you have not provided any. As posted earlier dear friend, lets talk more when you have scripture to share for your teachings. Until then let's agree to disagree.

Take Care Brian

 

[Saint Steven]

While what I said was addressed to someone else, it may as well have been addressed to you and the others, because you all use virtually word for word apologetics. The interpretation of scripture your denomination holds to regarding gentile Christians being commanded to keep the 7th day sabbath is unorthodox, that's a fact, not a falsehood. The rest of what you're saying is basically "our particular denominational doctrine isn't eisegetical, orthodox Christian doctrine is eisegetical".

Oh, yes.
They do not claim to be a part of "us". To them, we are the Babylon they (the church) came out of.

 

[Servus]

Yet here you still are after all this time unable to answer simple questions asked in regards to the scriptures shared with you, while refusing to discuss the scriptures in the posts that disagree with you. I have asked you many times now, what is it in the scriptures that have been shared with you here that you disagree with?

And I have already explained and keep having to explain, that it's not the scriptures that I disagree with, it's the SDA teaching of the scriptures regarding the topic that I disagree with.

All I hear in response is silence to these questions. Yet you are the one who claims to be a sabbatarian are you not and all that has been shared with you are scriptures in support of sabbath keeping which are Gods' Word not my words. According to the scriptures our opinions do not really matter much if they are not supported by the scriptures. Only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and you have not provided any. As posted earlier dear friend, lets talk more when you have scripture to share for your teachings. Until then let's agree to disagree.

Take Care Brian

My choice to refrain from doing work during the Jewish sabbath, doesn't make me any more a sabbatarian than it makes me Jewish. I do not find that there is scripture which commands gentile Christians to keep the 7th day sabbath. And neither does 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy.

 

[Servus]

Oh, yes.
They do not claim to be a part of "us". To them, we are the Babylon they (the church) came out of.

The Mormons say the same thing.

 

[Saint Steven]

How can you feel guilty about something you think isn't even made for you? Don't you want what God created for you? Come on Steve turn from those false teachers that hold fast to their traditions of men. God is calling you and He wants you to rest and praise Him on the day He chose and sanctified not man. Read my thread exegesis of subtle satan and receive the truth. God bless you.

Thanks for your heartfelt post. This is a level of compassion I have rarely experienced from Sabbatarians. (I hope the term Sabbatarians isn't insulting - not my intent)

Let's explore this, if you want to.
The conviction of the Holy Spirit has little if anything to do with what I think. Typically we think something is right, but the Spirit tells us otherwise, contrary to what we think.

If my mind has to be changed to "feel" the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then I would cite brainwashing. Am I missing something here?

Saint Steven said: ↑
Yes, that is a valid argument.
Where is the moral issue with "Sabbath-breaking"?
The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin.
Have you every felt guilty for not observing the Jewish Sabbath?
I haven't. I suppose someone could lay a guilt trip on you.
A recruiting technique for these folks.

 

[HIM]

Really?
Can you demonstrate that application?
In what way did it apply to christians from the 1200's? or the, 1400's, or the 1600's?
When exactly in those generations did Luke 21:20-22 take place for them?
Who are the Christians that Fled "Jerusalem surrounded by armies" in the 1200's, 1400's & 1600's?

Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept BY HIS FOLLOWS up to His Second coming. VERSES 23 THROUGH 31 TALK OF THIS. AND VERSE 20'S WARNING THAT our FLIGHT DUE TO THE PERSECUTION PRIOR NOT BE IN THE WINTER NOR OR THE SABBATH DAY IS CONNECTED TO THIS.
How do we know? By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, and For in all the verses leading up to it. All of which connect what is about to be said to what was previously said.

Are the Apostles around today to experience the tribulation and see the second coming of our Lord?
No, so this warning to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor Sabbath Day IS FOR US ALSO or those who will be blessed to see that glorious day.


Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Servus]

Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept up to His Second coming. VERSES 23 THROUGH 31 TALK OF THIS. AND VERSE 20'S WARNING THAT our FLIGHT DUE TO THE PERSECUTION PRIOR NOT BE IN THE WINTER NOR OR THE SABBATH DAY IS CONNECTED TO THIS.
How do we know? By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, and For in all the verses leading up to it. All of which connect what is about to be said to what was previously said.

Are the Apostles around today to experience the tribulation and see the second coming of our Lord?
No, so this warning to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor Sabbath Day IS FOR US ALSO or those who will be blessed to see that glorious day.


Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I don't see that in any way as scripture commanding gentile Christians to keep the 7th day sabbath. But rather as interpreting scripture in such a way as to back a particular doctrine. Also known as reading into the text.

 

[HIM]

I don't see that in any way as scripture commanding gentile Christians to keep the 7th day sabbath. But rather as interpreting scripture in such a way as to back a particular doctrine. Also known as reading into scripture.

Prove it. Saying proves nothing. Prove that the verse are not connected in context to verse 20 By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, and For in verses 21-31.

Time to get ready for work.
Take care.

 

[Servus]

Prove it. Saying proves nothing. Prove that the verse are not connected in context to verse 20 By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, and For in verses 21-31.

Time to get ready for work.
Take care.

It's interesting how you, LoveGodsWord and SabbathBlessings say that you have to leave now so much.

 

[Saint Steven]

Prove it.

Romans 14:4-8 NIV
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

 

[HIM]

Dulal Fulfillment is man made and taught nowhere in scripture.


Name one prophesy that scripture teaches is a DUAL prophesy.



Again, you've yet to demonstrate this claim from scripture.
Please do.
And why only Dual? why not triple? Quadruple? 10 fold? 100 fold?



So your position is that the end times BEGIN with the "2nd coming of Christ" and not a moment before?
Please show us where scripture teaches anything of the sort.

3 things were prophesied about. The destruction of the Temple, Christ second coming and the end of the world.

Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?