Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[klutedavid]

It would make no difference you have been asking the same question over and over despite your question being answered over and over through the scriptures. Your question has already been answered through the scriptures already. Your response was to simply ignore the scriptures shared with you most recently in post # 334 linked.

Take Care

Acts 15, clearly identifies the commandments Gentiles are under and must obey. No mention of the law or a sabbath commandment in Acts 15.

As usual, inference is the only tool in your bag.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus and everyone in Israel had to obey the law.

No Gentile nation received the law, hence, no Gentile nation enforced a Sabbath commandment.

History does not mention a Sabbath commandment in the laws of any nation, except the nation of Israel.

Scripture is clear that only Israel was given the law, the land, the temple, priesthood, e.t.c.

You have no evidence to support your wild claims.

We need hard evidence not inference.

Here’s one for you in the New Testament after Jesus died:

Luke 23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

The New Testament teaches all about the Sabbath and we are told to follow Jesus who kept the Sabbath commandment and all of His Fathers commandments. John 15:10

If Jesus is in the Temples teaching God’s Word on the Sabbath, thats where I want to be. Luke 4:16 He has an open invitation to everyone.

 

[klutedavid]

Do you see the words New Covenant?
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

I asked you a question which you did not answer.

Is the following verse a lie, not true?

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

I seek the confession.

As for Hebrews 8:10 and Jeremiah the source. The law written on the heart has nothing to do with Acts 2:21. Please answer the question.

 

[klutedavid]

Here’s one for you in the New Testament after Jesus died:

Luke 23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

The New Testament teaches all about the Sabbath and we are told to follow Jesus who kept the Sabbath commandment and all of His Fathers commandments. John 15:10

If Jesus is in the Temples teaching God’s Word on the Sabbath, thats where I want to be. Luke 4:16 He has an open invitation to everyone.

You are confused. Jesus was only sent to the nation of Israel. Jesus did not sit down and dine, talk, to any Gentiles. Jesus ignored the Gentiles as they would be grafted in to salvation at a later date.

You have been deceived into thinking that Jesus was commanding the Gentile nations. When He did no such thing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are confused. Jesus was only sent to the nation of Israel. Jesus did not sit down and dine, talk, to any Gentiles. Jesus ignored the Gentiles as they would be grafted in to salvation at a later date.

You have been deceived into thinking that Jesus was commanding the Gentile nations. When He did no such thing.

I guess you don’t consider yourself in the New Covenant or the promise since that was written to Jews. The deception is thinking the majority of the bible was not written for you but one specific nationality despite God’s Word telling us if we are in Christ there is no more Jew or Gentile. Galatians 3:28, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 2:28-29

 

[HIM]

I asked you a question which you did not answer.

Is the following verse a lie, not true?

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

I seek the confession.

As for Hebrews 8:10 and Jeremiah the source. The law written on the heart has nothing to do with Acts 2:21. Please answer the question.

Your answer was incorrect

Do you know what God's new covenant promise is?

Me, me, me, I will answer that. I love easy questions.

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Me winner man.

Why CF website so easy.

Once again that is not the new covenant this is, Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you not understand why this is a patently false statement? Non-Sabbatarians have a Sabbath rest and communion time with our Savior on the day that our Savior resurrected. I can remember a time that virtually all businesses were closed on Sunday. In the 40s my hometown had 4 drug stores only one could be open on Sunday so people could get their prescriptions.

There is no Sunday commandment. Sunday is not the day that is holy to God. It is not a day God blessed or sanctified. It’s not the day God told us to rest. God told us Sunday is a day to do work and labor Exodus 20:9

Jesus warned us that if we keep traditions over the commandments we are worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9. I would take this to heart.

God bless

 

[Der Alte]

There is no Sunday commandment. Sunday is not the day that is holy to God. It is not a day God blessed or sanctified. It’s not the day God told us to rest. God told us Sunday is a day to do work and labor Exodus 20:9

Irrelevant. Logical fallacy, argument from silence.
Have you read the NT? Read this first line? Who do you think you are that you judge someone else's servant?

Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.​

Jesus warned us that if we keep traditions over the commandments we are worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9. I would take this to heart.
God bless

More SDA nonsense. Read Rom 14:4-6 as many times as necessary until you understand it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Irrelevant. Logical fallacy, argument from silence.
Have you read the NT? Read this first line? Who do you think you are that you judge someone else's servant?

Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.​

More SDA nonsense. Read Rom 14:4-6 as many times as necessary until you understand it.

You’re argument is not with me. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23, Matthew 15:3-9, Mark 2:27, John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Revelations 14:12, Revelations 22:14

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Irrelevant. Logical fallacy, argument from silence.
Have you read the NT? Read this first line? Who do you think you are that you judge someone else's servant?

Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.​

More SDA nonsense. Read Rom 14:4-6 as many times as necessary until you understand it.

Well aren't you the funny one calling God's Word nonsense. Lets be honest now. Where in all of the chapter of Romans 14 is it talking about God's 4th commandments "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken? So if you cannot show me where Romans 14:4-6 is talking about God's seventh day Sabbath what method of bible study are you using? Your reading into the scripture what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. Some call this method of bible interpretation eisegesis, which is reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and teach. Where as we should be reading the meaning out of scripture (exegesis). Romans 14 is not talking anywhere about God's 4th commandment or anyone of God's 10 commandments for that matter. It is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regards. It is not talking anywhere about what days God esteems over other days and we know in the scriptures that the things that men esteem are an abomination in Gods' eyes according to Luke 16:15. So how does Romans 14:4-6 support your view that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments are abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - It doesn't as it is one of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments which includes Gods' 4th commandment we stand guilty before God of sin.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Acts 15, clearly identifies the commandments Gentiles are under and must obey. No mention of the law or a sabbath commandment in Acts 15. As usual, inference is the only tool in your bag.

Sorry dear friend but I respectfully disagree with your teachings of lawlessness (without law) and prefer instead what the bible teaches. For example, your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem when he meets with the Corinthian gentile believers and says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" - 1 Corinthians 7:19. Of course the context you leave out in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 shows that the topic of conversation and subject matter was over the question "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for new gentile believers? This was the question that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss, not are Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 still the standard of Christian living. We should be careful to read what the scriptures actually say. Gods' Word does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) because it is only through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is. This is what leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and leads us into Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 according to the scriptures.

Take Care.

 

[klutedavid]

I guess you don’t consider yourself in the New Covenant or the promise since that was written to Jews. The deception is thinking the majority of the bible was not written for you but one specific nationality despite God’s Word telling us if we are in Christ there is no more Jew or Gentile. Galatians 3:28, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 2:28-29

The scripture is clear; Jews first, Gentiles second.

Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Your saying that Jesus was sent to the Jews and the Gentiles. But that is not what Jesus said.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentile nations, only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel.

No deception at all.

There is no debate here.

 

[klutedavid]

Sorry dear friend but I respectfully disagree with your teachings of lawlessness (without law) and prefer instead what the bible teaches. For example, your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem when he meets with the Corinthian gentile believers and says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" - 1 Corinthians 7:19. Of course the context you leave out in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 shows that the topic of conversation and subject matter was over the question "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for new gentile believers? This was the question that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss, not are Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 still the standard of Christian living. We should be careful to read what the scriptures actually say. Gods' Word does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) because it is only through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is. This is what leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and leads us into Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 according to the scriptures.

Take Care.

I am utterly a lawless person. Gentiles were never under the law, we are under grace.

When Paul says; "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God". Paul is saying the law is nothing but keeping the New Covenant commandments, is what really matters. New Covenant commandments, not the commandments in the law, not all the commandments in the Old Testament. You have been mislead.

Here are two NEW commandments that all Christians must keep.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I am utterly a lawless person. Gentiles were never under the law, we are under grace.

When Paul says; "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God". Paul is saying the law is nothing but keeping the New Covenant commandments, is what really matters. New Covenant commandments, not the commandments in the law, not all the commandments in the Old Testament. You have been mislead.

Here are two NEW commandments that all Christians must keep.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

According to the scriptures we are all sinners in need of God's salvation *Romans 3:9-23. However Gods' salvation is from sin not to continue in the lawless doctrine of known unrepentant sin *John 8:31-36. According to the scriptures in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men every where to believe and follow what Gods Word says *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31.

According to the scriptures at this stage after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject Gods' Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin we are held accountable for our sins *James 4:17 and at this point there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come according to Hebrews 10:26-31. According to Gods' new covenant promise in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 God's promise of a new heart to love is not separate from Gods' law.

Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and is why Jesus says on these two great commandments of love hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus when he says that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a summary of obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments that show us how we are to love our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10. James also agrees with both Jesus and Paul when he writes that if we show partiality in keeping those commandments in God's 10 commandments that show us how to love our neighbor as our self we stand guilty before God of sin. John also is in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he says Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments and clarifies what he is talking about by defining what it means to love God when he says "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." - 1 John 5:2-3.

So no, love is not separate from Gods' law in the new covenant. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and fulfills God's law. This is God's new covenant promise written in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 in all those who have been born again in the Spirit to keep Gods' laws by faith that works by love in all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. God's Word does not teach the false teaching of lawlessness (without law).

According to John we can only claim to know God if we keep God's commandments. He that says he knows God according to the scriptures, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" - 1 John 2:3-4. Something to pray about dear friend. May God bless you as you receive His Words.

Take Care.

 

[klutedavid]

According to the scriptures we are all sinners in need of God's salvation *Romans 3:9-23. However Gods' salvation is from sin not to continue in the lawless doctrine of known unrepentant sin *John 8:31-36. According to the scriptures in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men every where to believe and follow what Gods Word says *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31.

According to the scriptures at this stage after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject Gods' Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin we are held accountable for our sins *James 4:17 and at this point there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come according to Hebrews 10:26-31. According to Gods' new covenant promise in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 God's promise of a new heart to love is not separate from Gods' law.

Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and is why Jesus says on these two great commandments of love hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus when he says that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a summary of obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments that show us how we are to love our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10. James also agrees with both Jesus and Paul when he writes that if we show partiality in keeping those commandments in God's 10 commandments that show us how to love our neighbor as our self we stand guilty before God of sin. John also is in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he says Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments and clarifies what he is talking about by defining what it means to love God when he says "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." - 1 John 5:2-3. So no love is not separate from Gods' law in the new covenant. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and fulfills God's law. This is God's new covenant promise written in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 in all those who have been born again in the Spirit to keep Gods' laws by faith that works by love in all those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

So no, God's Word does not teach the false teaching of lawlessness (without law). According to John we can only claim to know God if we keep God's commandments. He that says he knows God according to the scriptures, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" - 1 John 2:3-4. Something to pray about dear friend. May God bless you as you receive His Words.

Take Care.

Gentiles are not under the law. Gentiles were never under the law.

Your argument is based on a premise. A premise that Gentiles were under the law which is not correct.

Sin is lawlessness; is a meaningless phrase to a Gentile.

Gentiles must obey the commandments that Jesus gave.

The law merely grants the knowledge of sin, the law cannot sanctify, the law cannot save.

The law is weak and useless when it comes to true holiness.

The promise obtained by obedience to the book of the law was a plot of ground in the Middle East.

The promise obtained by the new commandments is salvation.

Your riding the wrong horse in the wrong race.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Gentiles are not under the law. Gentiles were never under the law.

Your argument is based on a premise. A premise that Gentiles were under the law which is not correct.

Sin is lawlessness; is a meaningless phrase to a Gentile.

Gentiles must obey the commandments that Jesus gave.

The law merely grants the knowledge of sin, the law cannot sanctify, the law cannot save.

The law is weak and useless when it comes to true holiness.

The promise obtained by obedience to the book of the law was a plot of ground in the Middle East.

The promise obtained by the new commandments is salvation.

Your riding the wrong horse in the wrong race.

Gentiles are not under any law and they are not under any covenant because they are lost and still in their sins. God never made a new covenant with gentiles. Gods' new covenant is only made with Israel, who, in the new covenant are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born again of the Spirit through faith that works by love. *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. If we are not a part of Gods' Israel according to the scriptures we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God's Word does not teach a doctrine of lawlessness (without law). According to the scriptures sin is defined as the transgression of Gods' law and not believing and following Gods' Word *1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23 and it is through the law that we have as knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures after they have been given a knowledge of the truth and reject God's Word receive no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Hebrews 10:26-31. Sin of course is not something any of us should take lightly or we may find our self at the second coming with Jesus saying to us depart from me you who work iniquity (sin) I never knew you. *Matthew 7:21-23 see also 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6.

Take Care.

 

[klutedavid]

Gentiles are not under any law and they are not under any covenant because they are lost and still in their sins. God never made a new covenant with gentiles. Gods' new covenant is only made with Israel, who, in the new covenant are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seen of Abraham but are now all those who have been born again of the Spirit through faith that works by love. *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. If we are not a part of Gods' Israel according to the scriptures we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God's Word does not teach a doctrine of lawlessness (without law). According to the scriptures sin is defined as the transgression of Gods' law and not believing and following Gods' Word *1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23 and it is through the law that we have as knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures after they have been given a knowledge of the truth and reject God's Word receive no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Hebrews 10:26-31. Sin of course is not something any of us should take lightly or we may find our self at the second coming with Jesus saying to us depart from me you who work iniquity (sin) I never knew you. *Matthew 7:21-23 see also 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6.

Take Care.

You keep stumbling over, the fact, that Gentiles are not under the law. Gentiles even as Christians are still not under the law. Nowhere in the New Testament does it ever say, that Gentiles are under the law. Nor does it say that Gentile Christians are under the law.

When a Gentile Christian sins, they are not transgressing the law, because the law was never given to the Gentile nations.

Your trying to tell me that the Gentiles had the law. When you know from the New Testament that they never had the law. A Gentile cannot be lawless, simply because where there is no law, there cannot be violation of the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You keep stumbling over, the fact, that Gentiles are not under the law. Gentiles even as Christians are still not under the law. Nowhere in the New Testament does it ever say, that Gentiles are under the law. Nor does it say that Gentile Christians are under the law.

When a Gentile Christian sins, they are not transgressing the law, because the law was never given to the Gentile nations.

Your trying to tell me that the Gentiles had the law. When you know from the New Testament that they never had the law. A Gentile cannot be lawless, simply because where there is no law, there cannot be violation of the law.

Sorry dear friend we will have to agree to disagree. See the scriptures shared with you in post # 376 and eleswhere showing why I disagree with your teachings on lawlessness (without law). No one knows God's Word until they hear or see Gods' Word and there is no faith outside of Gods Word. Of course you are free to believe whatever you wish as that is between you and God. I believe I have done my part sharing Gods' Word with you. It is up to you now what you choose to do with the scriptures shared with you.

Take Care.

 

[The Liturgist]

That's a ridiculous misuse of "God's Word". That is NOT what that means at all.

BTW: Should you really be working this hard on the Sabbath? (creating posts)

On the seventh day, God STOPPED all the work of creating that he had been doing.

And also rested in the tomb after dying for us on the Cross.

 

[The Liturgist]

When will you stop playing "the God card" concerning your opinions? This is a discussion forum. Why claim your opinion is "the Word of God"? (it's not)

Indeed, I am frustrated at people claiming my arguments are somehow against God. It seems to amount to an ad hominem fallacy.