Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[The Liturgist]

How so? Let’s go though it…

This is God’s spoke and written word

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Not sure how you could intercept this as it is okay for Sunday worship. God told us to keep holy the seventh day. He wants us to keep the Sabbath holy becuase it is THE holy day of the Lord thy God. Not a holy day for the holy day seen again in Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13. Sunday God tells us is a working day see v 9. Your arguement is not with me.

Because there are no commandments prohibiting worship on other days of the week. In particular, the plain text of that verse does not mandate work on the other six days, but merely provides the option for it. But did all Jews work on all six of the other days? No, of course not. We have a two day weekend in the US and in most civilized countries, as well as public holidays. Are you suggesting those our sinful?

And we do have two instances in the New Testament of the Apostles celebrating the Eucharist on the First Day, as cited by @parousia70

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who should we credit for the spin? EGW?

People made fun of Jesus too in His time. EGW did not write God’s law God did so your argument is not with us.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Because there are no commandments prohibiting worship on other days of the week. In particular, the plain text of that verse does not mandate work on the other six days, but merely provides the option for it. But did all Jews work on all six of the other days? No, of course not. We have a two day weekend in the US and in most civilized countries, as well as public holidays. Are you suggesting those our sinful?

And we do have two instances in the New Testament of the Apostles celebrating the Eucharist on the First Day, as cited by @parousia70

So should we follow what God did not say or what He did say? Following what God did not say seems backwards to me but we all have free will. God did tells us though that the first day is a working day not a day of worship. Exodus 20:9 “thou shalt” sounds like a command to me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Thanks.
That is what appears to say until you question Sabbatarians. Then we take the long way round to get to the meaning.

When asked about the New Moon aspect (in Isaiah 66:23), they inform us that it means from month to month. Well... if you look at how this is written, then "from one Sabbath to the next" would mean from week to week. The word Sabbath is sometimes used just to designate a period of seven days. (not a reference to the practice)

Saint Steven said: ↑
Oftentimes Isaiah 66:23 is quoted as proof of future Sabbath observance. But those same folks don't keep the New Moon. And...

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Your repeating yourself here while ignoring the scriptures posted that prove why your teachings are not biblical. Your post here disregards scripture context while twisting scripture to apply a meaning that is not supported by the scriptures. A detailed scripture rebuttal to your post above has already been provided that you have chosen to ignore in post # 222 linked. If you disagree with the rebuttal your welcome to show why. However your teachings of lawlessness (without law) and Universalism is not supported in the bible

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not sure if this has come up yet. If the Sabbath command comes from the TCs, what are we told about the TCs in the NT? Assuming they were engraved in letters on stone, here's what we have...

The TCs were the transitory ministry that brought condemnation and death that has no glory now. The letter kills. (Galatians 3:23-25)

2 Corinthians 3:6-11 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Actually your mixing up the Spirit of the law with the letter of the law. The letter kills because all the letter does it to give us a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. 2 and the wages of sin is death *Romans 6:23. Corinthians 3 is talking about the purpose of the letter in giving us a knowledge of what sin is and the new covenant of the Spirit that brings life from death and condemnation of which we are all under because of our sins. An interpretation however that 2 Corinthians 3:7 is doing away with Gods' 10 commandments is unbiblical as their role is to lead us into God's new covenant promise of a new heart to love and obey God's Word *Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Hebrews 8:10-12. Th promise of the new covenant Spirit of course is received by faith and according to the scriptures faith does not abolish Gods' law according to Paul it establishes God's law *Romans 3:31.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are of course quite right. I don’t understand how we can be accused of following traditions of men, when we are in fact following the plain meaning of the New Testament?

Your claims here are not true. According to the scriptures we know that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest now is there. Jesus also saying that if we follow these kinds of man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God according to Matthew 15:2-9. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it who we should be believing and following what the scriptures teach us that only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it in Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

With that in mind, what do these words tells us about who the TCs were for? With whom was that covenant made?

Deuteronomy 5:1-3 NIV
Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

Why would you think that the covenants made with the fathers (Noah, Abraham, Jacab etc) is the same as the covenant made with a nation of people (Israel)? For example did the covenant given to Noah, Abraham or Jacob include all the annual Feast days, the Sanctuary laws, the Levitical Priesthood laws for remission of sins; the civil and health laws? Think it through of course a covenant made to individuals was not the same as the covenant made to a nation of people.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, and it's a dangerous business to promote being justified by the law. Galatians 5:4 NIV You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Yet no one is telling you that we are justified by the law and if no one has told you anywhere that we are justified by the law why are you pretending that they are? So your argument that your making is an argument no one is arguing about so your argument here is with yourself and no one else. Now while we are here though so there is no misunderstandings, according to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. As posted earlier, obedience to God's words are not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. At the second coming Christs reward is with him *Revelation 22:12.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This scripture really defines the order of events nicely. Before, until, now. Galatians 3:23-25 NIV Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Indeed but once again faith does not abolish the law according to Paul it establishes the law according to the scriptures in Romans 3:31 where it says; [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: YES WE ESTABLISH THE LAW. Therefore true faith has the fruit of obedience to the law. According to the scripture if our faith has no obedience to Gods' law all we have according to James is the dead faith of devils according to *James 2:17-26. Your teachings of lawlessness (without law) disregards these scriptures though.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you claiming to keep all 611?
What do you mean by "all"? (some)

Why would you claim to keep all 611 laws of the old testament. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. Do you still do animal sacrifices and sin offerings under the Levitical Priesthood, in an earthly Sanctuary? If not why now? (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22).

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you hoping to end the discussion by presenting YOUR opinion as "God’s Word"?

Isn't that exactly what your doing? Yet your teachings of lawlessness (without law) are not supported in the scriptures as shown through this thread.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What part of "obsolete" don't you understand? Hebrews 8:7, 13 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ... 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

What is it exactly are you calling obsolete? You do know that the old covenant that is becoming obsolete is the Levitical Priesthood, the Sanctuary laws for remission of sins of the old covenant right (see Hebrews 7:1:25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22 and not God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is under the new covenant right *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4?

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Because there are no commandments prohibiting worship on other days of the week. In particular, the plain text of that verse does not mandate work on the other six days, but merely provides the option for it. But did all Jews work on all six of the other days? No, of course not. We have a two day weekend in the US and in most civilized countries, as well as public holidays. Are you suggesting those our sinful?

And we do have two instances in the New Testament of the Apostles celebrating the Eucharist on the First Day, as cited by @parousia70

The argument as posted to you earlier has nothing to do with what you have posted here it has always been about sin and breaking God's commandments. Though I can see here your trying to make the argument about something that no one is arguing about again.

Anyhow, take care

 

[Saint Steven]

People made fun of Jesus too in His time. EGW did not write God’s law God did so your arguement is with our Most High.

When will you stop playing "the God card" concerning your opinions? This is a discussion forum. Why claim your opinion is "the Word of God"? (it's not)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When will you stop playing "the God card" concerning your opinions? This is a discussion forum. Why claim your opinion is "the Word of God"? (it's not)

I have never said that, you said that not me

When quoting scripture though that is God’s Word. I believe God when He told us to Remember, which does not mean to forget

God bless

 

[Saint Steven]

When quoting scripture though that is God’s Word. I believe God when He told us to Remember, which does not mean to forget

That's a ridiculous misuse of "God's Word". That is NOT what that means at all.

BTW: Should you really be working this hard on the Sabbath? (creating posts)

On the seventh day, God STOPPED all the work of creating that he had been doing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's a ridiculous misuse of "God's Word". That is NOT what that means at all.

BTW: Should you really be working this hard on the Sabbath? (creating posts)

On the seventh day, God STOPPED all the work of creating that he had been doing.

How is quoting God misusing His Word. God told us to “Remember” and keep the Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8. Are you suggesting Remember does not mean Remember?

We are allowed to share God’s Word on the Sabbath day as shown though NT scriptures but I do need to leave soon, so its been nice chatting with you

God bless

 

[Saint Steven]

How is quoting God misusing His Word. God told us to “Remember” and keep the Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8. Are you suggesting Remember does not mean Remember?

That is exactly what I am suggesting.
I've never seen a Sabbatarian quote the TCs from Deuteronomy. And for good reason. (works against them)

Here we see the word "observe" used. Are you suggesting this is a function of cognitive memory?

However, the word "remember" is used in this passage. Verse 15 says that YOU are to remember that you were a slave in Egypt. Lest you forget.

"... Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day." - vs 15

Deuteronomy 5:12-15 NIV
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

 

[Saint Steven]

Not sure if this came up yet...
The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone.

1. Exodus 31:13
   “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
   
   
2. Ezekiel 20:12
   Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
   
   
3. Ezekiel 20:20
   Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”

 

[Saint Steven]

Did Jesus keep the Sabbath?

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.