Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[Clizby WampusCat]

Does that usually conjure up equipment and personnel that did not previously exist? Does it reduce 18-48 month training programs to a matter of weeks?

Just because you can't think of a solution does not mean it does not exist.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

The unvaccinated are not the ones overwhelming hospitals? They are not responsible for the outcome of their actions?

They are.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Your profession is not trying to change the most expensive piece of human infrastructure ever created in the span of weeks.

More excuses not to try?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

And what solutions are they proposing?


I remember reading about Biden doing something to increase vaccination numbers. Think it was somewhere around post #1 or something, but my memory is fuzzy.

Yes, but Biden has never tried to convince people to take the vaccine. He just ordered them to take it or else.

 

[Aldebaran]

What they endure is an acceptable risk so we can return to a sense of normalcy from a crippling disease that, while not necessarily as fatal, is not as simple as reducing it to a mere number that ignores other factors in calculating mortality in an overall pandemic we're not remotely done with, especially not with willful fools that want to rush to their death while claiming they're "free"

While they (and many others) endure what you called "an acceptable risk so we can return to a sense of normalcy from a crippling disease", their endurance appears to be in vain since normalcy still doesn't exist.

 

[Aldebaran]

Also, you seem to ignore that a capitalist society is not antithetical to people exploiting others and their gullibility without a measure of 1) regulation and 2) education for the general public so they aren't nearly as likely to be exploited by con artists that sell snake oil, etc

Now you're simply attempting to divert attention from the suffering of those who believed that the "vaccine" is safe and effective, and are now speaking out.

 

[Aldebaran]

The unvaccinated are not the ones overwhelming hospitals? They are not responsible for the outcome of their actions?

Now you're victim-blaming.

 

[renniks]

Are you claiming enough knowledge to determine whom is or is not an expert in viral immunology?

No response to the blood clot study?

 

[renniks]

It would depend if the person ALREADY had prior issues if the person is already on medication for certain issues it would be near IMPOSSIBILE to prove the vaccine had anything to do with it months and years down the line. I mean I, for example have had seizure issues for nearly 15 years, balance issues which have worsen with age ( I am now 30) and slight speech issues for life to say nothing of nearly non-exist fine motor skills. It would be neigh IMPOSSIBILE at this point ( six months on and counting that pretty much anything medically the went on with me had anything to do with the vaccine and certainly nearly impossible to come close to proving it in a civil lawsuit even if my family was that type.

Which proves my point. And explains why pharmacy companies can sell medicine with lots of side effects.

 

[renniks]

Let them rot, it’s what they chose.

Good thing you aren't a doctor. The oath they take makes it immoral to ignore anyone's suffering.

 

[whatbogsends]

That is about side effects not identified until years later, not that the drug had side effects that didn't manifest until years later.

Not the same thing.

Part of the same cloth.

Yes, there could additionally be side effects that don't manifest until later, but additionally, there are side effects that are happening now which are largely being ignored and marginalized.

Myocarditis, blood clotting, and Guillain-Barre syndrome weren't even identified as risks in the trials, but have definitely been linked now. They were happening throughout, but weren't linked until several months into the mass vaccination campaign.

We currently don't know the full scope of side effects. Pretending that we do is dishonest.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Which proves my point. And explains why pharmacy companies can sell medicine with lots of side effects.

How does that prove your point when you cannot tell if something is a side affect or not? Also, there are a number of side affects just about anything has side affects. The question is how severe are they likely to be on the whole and for a particular person. From the standpoint of a particular person if for example I have issues that make me more likely to have severe issues with a condition then the chance of severe side affects (even if it is a larger percentage may be worth the risk.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Good thing you aren't a doctor. The oath they take makes it immoral to ignore anyone's suffering.

Yet doctors are starting to literally walk out in the middle of shifts and I do not blame them. You are not going to help yourself why should we devote resources to save your rear end? We had a doctor tell my uncle as much he smoked for years when he got lung cancer the doctor told him basically if you do not commit to quit smoking I will not do the operation to remove the cancer.

 

[JacksBratt]

Because pfizer has FDA approval, and moderna has EUA

Ivermectin has had FDA approval for years. It is safe, tried and tested. Only a few countries are using it for COVID. Certainly not the US or Canada. They say its horse medication. meanwhile it has been used in African countries for years to treat river blindness that is caused by parasites. It is in many animal medications for treatment of lice, ticks and fleas. It's cheap and nobody is going to make money off of it if they use it for COVID.

In Belgium it is now an over the counter drug. A doctor used it in an African country to save hundreds who were suffering from Covid and dying. Where is the news report on that?

I have both my vaccines. I am not an "anti vaxer". However, I do NOT think that the treatment of a world wide "pandemic" should be tackled without throwing everything at it that we can.
IN MY OPINION.....

This has become political and people are dying because of political polarization and arrogance.

We all know what drives political parties and leaders.... MONEY. Who contributes to the political parties and who fills the pockets of the leading politicians... well... one of them is the ultra wealthy and another is pharmaceutical companies.

Both of which stand to make millions by simply ignoring and, where needed, the blacklisting of existing cheap and safe drugs that would stop COVID in it's tracks.

If you could take a dose of antihistamine that is used for allergies... that was not meant for a deadly illness...or... cure a loved one...... would you? Or... would you let them die and tell them that they shouldn't take it because it's not tested for that?

Simply mind blowing.

Ivermectin and Covid-19: how a cheap antiparasitic became political

Ivermectin and Covid-19: how a cheap antiparasitic became political

By Darcy Jimenez 19 Apr 2021

The common antiparasitic ivermectin is being touted as a miracle cure for Covid-19 by doctors and campaigners the world over. Demand for approval of the drug is growing globally – with some countries recommending ivermectin as a treatment for coronavirus patients – despite leading health authorities consistently warning against its use.

 

[JacksBratt]

No, there's also J&J, you're horribly misinformed on that, first off

And no, ivermectin is anti parasite and hasn't remotely been tested enough to show anything significant. Plus, the incidents you bring up are in less developed countries with more limited vaccine access (Ecuador) or those that have significant misinformation problems (India). Don't act like this is just a universally accepted thing, because only regeneron and recimidivir treatments have validity because 1) they've been tested thoroughly and more importantly, 2) they're antiviral or specifically targeting viruses by their nature, not the equivalent of dewormer.

I will ask you. IF your loved one was dying of a disease that had no cure or drug to stop it. AND.. you found out that the simple fact that they could take a birth control pill to save them.. Even though a birth control pill is not tested against the disease... would you tell your loved one "Too bad, birth control pills are not thoroughly tested against this disease, so, we cannot give it to you"?

It's so moronic.

This is a WORLD...... WIDE..... PANDEMIC... killing millions... country wide lock downs.... millions of suicides and mental illnesses on the rise due to the fear and isolation.

Riots... deaths..... people losing businesses. Friends becoming enemies...


This is serious historic event... BUT... don't give them Ivermectin..... It's not tested.

Meanwhile doctors are treating people and getting results in other countries. Giving it in home kits in Ecuador, India and it's over the counter in Belgium.

But.. NOPE... can't have that... It's not tested.

Well... you know what else wasn't tested? Pfizer and Moderna vaccines... Both did not go through the proper test programs due to the "emergency".

But.. Ivermectin.. been around for years... Given to people all over the globe.... Can't do that.

I bet that you would be giving it every three hours if you child, mother or other relative was going to be put on a ventilator... and you had a bottle of it in your hand.

 

[Belk]

No response to the blood clot study?

I lack the expertise to have an informed opinion on the article. How about you? Do you believe yourself to have the knowledge to determine who is a "so called" expert on viral immunology

 

[TLK Valentine]

I will ask you. IF your loved one was dying of a disease that had no cure or drug to stop it. AND.. you found out that the simple fact that they could take a birth control pill to save them.. Even though a birth control pill is not tested against the disease... would you tell your loved one "Too bad, birth control pills are not thoroughly tested against this disease, so, we cannot give it to you"?

It's so moronic.

This is a WORLD...... WIDE..... PANDEMIC... killing millions... country wide lock downs.... millions of suicides and mental illnesses on the rise due to the fear and isolation.

Riots... deaths..... people losing businesses. Friends becoming enemies...


This is serious historic event... BUT... don't give them Ivermectin..... It's not tested.

Meanwhile doctors are treating people and getting results in other countries. Giving it in home kits in Ecuador, India and it's over the counter in Belgium.

But.. NOPE... can't have that... It's not tested.

Well... you know what else wasn't tested? Pfizer and Moderna vaccines... Both did not go through the proper test programs due to the "emergency".

But.. Ivermectin.. been around for years... Given to people all over the globe.... Can't do that.

I bet that you would be giving it every three hours if you child, mother or other relative was going to be put on a ventilator... and you had a bottle of it in your hand.

Enjoy your livestock dewormer.

 

[renniks]

Yet doctors are starting to literally walk out in the middle of shifts and I do not blame them. You are not going to help yourself why should we devote resources to save your rear end? We had an uncle tell my uncle as much he smoked for years when he got lung cancer the doctor told him basically if you do not commit to quit smoking I will not do the operation to remove the cancer.

Helping myself means taking an unproven drug? I try to avoid drugs as much as possible.

 

[pitabread]

We currently don't know the full scope of side effects. Pretending that we do is dishonest.

I never suggested that we know the full scope of the side effects.

Rather, I'm trying to assess the validity of the fear-mongering from people worried that taking the vaccine will cause their arms to fall off 5 years down the road.

Especially in the context of the fact that vaccine side-effects are significantly lower in risk that the disease they are designed to prevent.

 

[pitabread]

Call it what you want. I call it logic.

It's flawed logic.