Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[Belk]

One thing I have read about is the possible triggering of autoimmune disease. But if that did occur, how long would it take? Is that really a risk that would manifest years after the fact?

I agree, that seems like something that would present quickly.

 

[Belk]

Blood clots and deaths for one.
A lot of neurological problems have been reported. Whose to say they aren't permanent?
Weakening immune systems of already frail people, also.

How? How would these things come about? By what methodology would this vaccine cause a long term issue of blood clots?

 

[renniks]

That doesn't answer the questions.

We're talking about relative scenarios such potential long-term usage of a medication giving rise to effects, versus single or infrequent usage.

Are these scenarios analogous in your mind? Can we make the same assumptions about the vaccine long-term effects versus a medication doesn't to be taken continuously?

The common denominator is a company with a history of lawsuits against them. If I can't trust one, why would I trust the other?

 

[renniks]

How many have those compared to the litterally MILLIONS who have taken the vaccine? Anything medical cares risk it does not always work they are not always right about a particular person's outcome. I learned that the HARD and painful way. ( Not with the vaccines, but with cancer.

So you have millions taking it and how many reported side effects? We don't know, because that information is being withheld.
If we hear about some, it's safe to assume that there's a lot more we're not hearing about.

 

[renniks]

How? How would these things come about? By what methodology would this vaccine cause a long term issue of blood clots?

I'm not a doctor. What matters is that it happens.

Look up thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

Utah mom blames COVID vaccines for blood clots in both son and husband

 

[Belk]

I'm not a doctor. What matters is that it happens.

Look up thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

Utah mom blames COVID vaccines for blood clots in both son and husband

It does not appear this Utah mom is a doctor either so I do not find post hoc ergo propter hoc convincing. Everything I have seen from the experts says long term effects from vaccines are extremely unlikely. Do you have anything from an expert to contradict this? I'm not interested in the musings of lay people.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you have millions taking it and how many reported side effects? We don't know, because that information is being withheld.
If we hear about some, it's safe to assume that there's a lot more we're not hearing about.

but when you have MILLIONS of people that do something it takes a LOT of people to equal a even somewhat high percentage. In terms of side affects down the road that will be hard to prove anyway (especially if people have other risk factors. Take me ,I have a history of cerebral palsy that history makes me more likely to have certain health problems whether I had taken the vaccine or not. Now six months later if I were to have say a fatal seizure ( have a history of seizures dating back nearly 15 years or really any number of other conditions that could be related to my weight, or even balance ( poor out of a wheelchair) what proof would there be that that was the vaccine as opposed to other health issues that are directly or indirectly related to my health conditions other life choices?

 

[pitabread]

The common denominator is a company with a history of lawsuits against them. If I can't trust one, why would I trust the other?

That's just equivocation.

 

[KCfromNC]

I have repletely said I don't know. But I do know that there are people out there that do know if they are empowered to do so.

And what solutions are they proposing?

If a hospitals HVAC system is not working I can figure out how to fix it. I would not expect the doctors to come up with a solution, they are not experts in building HVAC systems. But unless they empower me to solve the problem I cannot solve it for them. So just because I don't have a solution to this problem does not mean I cannot press for a solution. All I see Biden doing is blaming the unvaccinated instead of leading to find a solution.

I remember reading about Biden doing something to increase vaccination numbers. Think it was somewhere around post #1 or something, but my memory is fuzzy.

 

[KCfromNC]

Does that usually conjure up equipment and personnel that did not previously exist? Does it reduce 18-48 month training programs to a matter of weeks?

We have a saying at work : "Any problem is easy to solve when someone else is doing the work". Only when we say it in that context, we know we're joking.

 

[renniks]

It does not appear this Utah mom is a doctor either so I do not find post hoc ergo propter hoc convincing. Everything I have seen from the experts says long term effects from vaccines are extremely unlikely. Do you have anything from an expert to contradict this? I'm not interested in the musings of lay people.

So you aren't interested in first hand accounts but only believe the official story? BTW, it's officially acknowledged that the vaccines can cause blood clots. So why are you claiming it doesn't happen?

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you aren't interested in first hand accounts but only believe the official story? BTW, it's officially acknowledged that the vaccines can cause blood clots. So why are you claiming it doesn't happen?

We can be interest in both but percentages matter.

 

[Belk]

So you aren't interested in first hand accounts but only believe the official story?

I'm interested in the opinion of people with knowledge. That some mom in Utah thinks something is not relevant. Contrary to belief, expertise matters.

BTW, it's officially acknowledged that the vaccines can cause blood clots. So why are you claiming it doesn't happen?

How do blood clots happen long term? This has been the sole focus of my question. You claim people should wait because their might be long term consequences. Actual experts say it is unlikely. Why should we not listen to them?

 

[Desk trauma]

We have a saying at work : "Any problem is easy to solve when someone else is doing the work". Only when we say it in that context, we know we're joking.

Every problem has a solution that is obvious, simple, straightforward and wrong.

 

[renniks]

but when you have MILLIONS of people that do something it takes a LOT of people to equal a even somewhat high percentage. In terms of side affects down the road that will be hard to prove anyway

It might be hard to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but a large amount of circumstantial evidence can't be ignored by anyone with common sense.

 

[renniks]

We can be interest in both but percentages matter.

But you aren't given true percentages of the side effects vs the few people that would die of covid. All the official percentages are therefore skewed.

 

[renniks]

That's just equivocation.

Call it what you want. I call it logic.

 

[renniks]

How do blood clots happen long term? This has been the sole focus of my question. You claim people should wait because their might be long term consequences. Actual experts say it is unlikely. Why should we not listen to them?

Depends which so called experts you listen to.


"The group first determined how platelets became activated by antibodies from patients who had VITT. They could show that VITT is caused by highly unusual antibodies to blood platelets that are triggered by the vaccine that stick to components from blood platelets causing them to trigger clot formation."
Study Uncovers How Some COVID-19 Vaccines Cause Blood Clots

 

[Belk]

Depends which so called experts you listen to.


"The group first determined how platelets became activated by antibodies from patients who had VITT. They could show that VITT is caused by highly unusual antibodies to blood platelets that are triggered by the vaccine that stick to components from blood platelets causing them to trigger clot formation."
Study Uncovers How Some COVID-19 Vaccines Cause Blood Clots

Are you claiming enough knowledge to determine whom is or is not an expert in viral immunology?

 

[dogs4thewin]

It might be hard to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but a large amount of circumstantial evidence can't be ignored by anyone with common sense.

It would depend if the person ALREADY had prior issues if the person is already on medication for certain issues it would be near IMPOSSIBILE to prove the vaccine had anything to do with it months and years down the line. I mean I, for example have had seizure issues for nearly 15 years, balance issues which have worsen with age ( I am now 30) and slight speech issues for life to say nothing of nearly non-exist fine motor skills. It would be neigh IMPOSSIBILE at this point ( six months on and counting that pretty much anything medically the went on with me had anything to do with the vaccine and certainly nearly impossible to come close to proving it in a civil lawsuit even if my family was that type.