Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[KCfromNC]

Ah, but that doesn't "prove" that these "helmets" are actually preventing, and not causing the injuries... you've completely overlooked the partnership between Big Helmet Industry and the New World Order...

Plus what about their freedom to get debilitating head injuries. Never thought of that, have you? Checkmate, libs....

 

[KCfromNC]

What happened to my body my choice?

Its in the same place as choices have consequences.

 

[Aldebaran]

I bet these conclusions weren't based on the sole fact that every player injured on the field was wearing a helmet, though. Kinda like cherry-picking a single figure about covid cases isn't used to jump to a conclusion about vaccines.

Faulty helmets allowing injuries to occur.
Faulty vaccines allowing Covid to contracted.
If you don't see the similarities, there's no use in me explaining it any further.

 

[Aldebaran]

Its in the same place as choices have consequences.

Such as the choice to sit in the front of the bus when your kind is supposed to sit in the back comes with the consequence of getting you arrested?

 

[KCfromNC]

Such as the choice to sit in the front of the bus when your kind is supposed to sit in the back comes with the consequence of getting you arrested?

Oh wait, I get it. This is supposed to confuse discrimination because of someone's identity with a natural consequence of person's choice. So I guess the answer is no, it is not any such thing. Remember, the anti-vaxx propaganda is all about freedom to do what they want, which is very different from an innate characteristic one has no choice over.

 

[KCfromNC]

Faulty helmets allowing injuries to occur.

You'd conclude that if all you had was data showing that 100% of football players injured in games were wearing helmets? Without even looking further to see if maybe none of them were head injuries? Seems like a strange approach towards data analysis, but maybe that's also why related posts in the thread have been coming to faulty conclusions about covid cases using singular data points without enough extra context.

 

[Vylo]

What happened to my body my choice?

It becomes an issue when your body is a disease factory, and you are taking up hospital space because you refused to take free medicine.

Don't want the vaccine? Fine. Stay in your house til the pandemic ends. Then its your body, your choice.

 

[Aldebaran]

Oh wait, I get it. This is supposed to confuse discrimination because of someone's identity with a natural consequence of person's choice. So I guess the answer is no, it is not any such thing. Remember, the anti-vaxx propaganda is all about freedom to do what they want, which is very different from an innate characteristic one has no choice over.

Are you claiming that choosing to sit in the front of the bus as opposed to the back is not a choice?

 

[Aldebaran]

You'd conclude that if all you had was data showing that 100% of football players injured in games were wearing helmets? Without even looking further to see if maybe none of them were head injuries? Seems like a strange approach towards data analysis, but maybe that's also why related posts in the thread have been coming to faulty conclusions about covid cases using singular data points without enough extra context.

I noticed how you cut off half my post in your quote, and then ignored the first word in order to justify your false narrative.
Try again.

 

[Aldebaran]

It becomes an issue when your body is a disease factory, and you are taking up hospital space because you refused to take free medicine.

Don't want the vaccine? Fine. Stay in your house til the pandemic ends. Then its your body, your choice.

Why should they have to stay home? They're still free to come and go as they please. They aren't prisoners in their own homes, and you have no right to make them prisoners

 

[whatbogsends]

This is a nice summary of how the anti-vaxx talking points constantly move the goalposts. Note that in 3 posts, it jumped from "the vaccine isn't effective" to "but there are vaccinated people in the hospital" to "but there are a lot of cases". It seems that after having one bit of the narrative compared to the actual data, the reaction isn't to accept the conclusions from that data but instead jump to the next rationalization for why vaccines must be terrible.

This is a reason why I don't bother putting too much work into addressing any particular talking point - the work will just be ignored in an effort to rust to the next sound bit.

And in 3 posts, you've gone from "vaccines prevent the spread Covid" to dismissing the fact that highly vaccinated Israel has the highest rate of transmission of the pandemic, and instead of addressing the data, are concerned that the entire discussion doesn't focus on the one thing you want to focus on.

There does appear to be a reason you don't bother putting work into addressing any concerns - the data doesn't support your assertions.

 

[Vylo]

Why should they have to stay home? They're still free to come and go as they please. They aren't prisoners in their own homes, and you have no right to make them prisoners

They aren't prisoners, they can take the free medicine and join civilized society. We already require vaccines for participating in many activities.

 

[Aldebaran]

They aren't prisoners, they can take the free medicine and join civilized society. We already require vaccines for participating in many activities.

At least those are vaccines that actually prevent a disease. Nobody should be required to be a guinea pig to participate in society with others who choose to be guinea pigs. That's not what America was founded on.

 

[Pommer]

At least those are vaccines that actually prevent a disease. Nobody should be required to be a guinea pig to participate in society with others who choose to be guinea pigs. That's not what America was founded on.

It’s
“O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave”, not “or”.

 

[muichimotsu]

Really? 75% of Americans over 18 have at least one shot and 64% are fully vaccinated. And the rate has been increasing.

White House: 75 percent of adults have at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose

That is not spinning our wheels. That is progress in a semi-free society by people making their own choice.

Only 1 is the important factor, because some people don't care to get the full regimen, they get the first and then stop. Maybe we should get some info on that, because just getting the first shot of 2 in the regimen is insufficient, you'd get more immunity/resistance from the J&J adenovirus vector versus getting a base primer of the mRNA type and not the booster afterwards

Problem is this assumes everyone's choices are equally valid or based in logic: it isn't communism to expect people to care about the common good and make choices related to that civil duty.

No one's holding a gun to their head or threatening violence against them if they don't get the vaccine (the virus is more likely to kill or cripple them anyway), they're asking either 1) have the intellectual humility to admit you might be wrong and get the vaccine or 2) if you're gonna be stubborn, be consistent and don't clog up the hospitals with your anti social anti intellectual plague rat self, self medicate with anti parasites and gargling disinfectant, nature will sort them out.

 

[muichimotsu]

Plus what about their freedom to get debilitating head injuries. Never thought of that, have you? Checkmate, libs....

Still surprised a bit that we didn't mandate seatbelts until the late 60s, though if we're talking studies, I feel like the 40+ years of data we'd likely had in terms of automobiles would've sufficed on their efficacy.

 

[muichimotsu]

At least those are vaccines that actually prevent a disease. Nobody should be required to be a guinea pig to participate in society with others who choose to be guinea pigs. That's not what America was founded on.

So if it prevents the disease after more research, you'll take it? But all those people that die or are crippled for life are just expendable to you then?

Certainly sounds like you only care about your own survival and welfare, while everyone else is a means to an end, valuable when they conveniently benefit you, but otherwise, they're on their own, no humanitarian camaraderie or such, that's "weakness". By all means, defend this seemingly sociopathic perspective that cares more about your freedom than any sense of civil welfare.

 

[muichimotsu]

And in 3 posts, you've gone from "vaccines prevent the spread Covid" to dismissing the fact that highly vaccinated Israel has the highest rate of transmission of the pandemic, and instead of addressing the data, are concerned that the entire discussion doesn't focus on the one thing you want to focus on.

There does appear to be a reason you don't bother putting work into addressing any concerns - the data doesn't support your assertions.

Vaccines prevent the spread of covid in strains that are not highly transmissible. Original strains pre delta, probably are reduced significantly by being vaccinated, but evolution doesn't care and presses on.

Thus we have viruses like this and that will only continue if we don't create basic inoculation, which is going to reduce spread in a certain way, but probably not entirely, and would likely reduce mutations significantly versus plague lickers that think their immune system will save them instead of turning on them and crippling or killing them.

 

[muichimotsu]

Why should they have to stay home? They're still free to come and go as they please. They aren't prisoners in their own homes, and you have no right to make them prisoners

They make themselves prisoners by their own stubborn intransigence on something they know as much about as I know about African stilt dancing, which is to say not much at all 99% of the time.

These are lay people that think there's some conspiracy or that they're somehow smarter because they're not being paid off or such, as if that makes them right (it doesn't by necessity)

 

[muichimotsu]

You'd conclude that if all you had was data showing that 100% of football players injured in games were wearing helmets? Without even looking further to see if maybe none of them were head injuries? Seems like a strange approach towards data analysis, but maybe that's also why related posts in the thread have been coming to faulty conclusions about covid cases using singular data points without enough extra context.

It's almost like any other factors are irrelevant when the thing they want to demonize is all they've fixated on. Literally selection bias, something they'd advise against in probably any reasonably advanced science course in the lab portion.