Teacher Resigns After Parent Complains Pride Flag Is "Personal Agenda"

[SilverBear]

Demonstrate? I haven't victimized anyone.

whiny
fragile
psychiatric help

you are a fine example of a bully

 

[Ana the Ist]

whiny
fragile
psychiatric help

you are a fine example of a bully

Lol who am I bullying? A hypothetical person?

Can't bully someone who doesn't exist.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Lol who am I bullying? A hypothetical person?

Can't bully someone who doesn't exist.

Do people you are not personally acquainted with not exist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Do people you are not personally acquainted with not exist?

Definition of HYPOTHETICAL

: not real : imagined as an example

The word "hypothetical" was the dead giveaway there.

 

[TLK Valentine]

whiny
fragile
psychiatric help

you are a fine example of a bully

It's a difficult situation -- scratch the surface of any bully and you'll always find a coward.

But it's usually the best test to see if you're actually dealing with one.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Do people you are not personally acquainted with not exist?

Obviously I'm not bullying anyone who doesn't exist....but let's pretend that person I was hypothetically describing does exist somewhere (because saying that my words here constitute "bullying" isn't just wrong, it's hilariously wrong)....am I bullying them by stating my opinion?

Definition of BULLYING

abuse and mistreatment of someone vulnerable by someone stronger, more powerful, etc. : the actions and behavior of a bully

No...no I'm not.

This does segue nicely to the other features of this onerous left wing philosophy that categorizes people as victims based on their identity....and that's the over exaggeration of victimhood....and blatant attacks on the moral character of anyone who disagrees.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's a difficult situation -- scratch the surface of any bully and you'll always find a coward.

But it's usually the best test to see if you're actually dealing with one.

There's that attack on character I was just talking about lol.

 

[DamianWarS]

Missouri teacher resigns after school district ordered him to remove Pride flag from classroom

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/education/article254077203.html

No joke, teacher in Missouri resigned after they were threatened with firing if they continued to hang a rainbow flag in their classroom and voiced a message of support to the students. Public school, mind you, and the teacher didn't mention sexuality or gender in the class (because it was speech/debate, theater and world mythology that the teacher was involved with) and wasn't making claims in class or to the students in terms of whether being LGBTQ was right or wrong. The threat was made through parental complaints that the teacher was going to make their child gay.

Not sure why there has to be such an unreasonable reaction to the mere presence of a flag that is not making some polarizing statement, but advocating inclusion and in the classroom, where students are learning not only more about the world but how to be a better person, to be kind to each other. It's not just the parents' duty, they permit the teachers to be stewards of their children.

Was the district justified in threatening to fire him when they never said it was not prohibited in the classroom to begin with and only reacted as such when one parent complained about something that was demonstrably ridiculous to even suggest?

it does sound like it was driven by a personal agenda. The teacher should have sought the correct channels to display the flag and submitted to the request to take it down when asked. Just because you think everyone should support your cause doesn't mean they do and doesn't mean it's appropriate to display in a classroom, even passively. I personally don't take issue to the flag being in the classroom but I do recognize that it's there from a personal agenda and is not a part of the classroom (even if the teacher thinks it should be). the teacher could have found far more constructive ways to spread his message finding perhaps a symbol of inclusion without the sexual message or finding ways to display the flag under the approval of the school. the fact that the teacher has taken this so personally means it was personally motivated.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

Is it the American flag?
Is it a flag of a country that is being studied?
If both questions above are no, is there any relevance to the flag being put up in the classroom for educational purposes for that class i.e. a class that studies different areas of humanity?

If all of the above questions are answered no, it does not belong in the classroom. If one has no problem with it being in the classroom because the teacher is represented by that flag then one should not have a problem with a Christian teacher having a cross up or the 10 commandments up as those represent a Christian, or a teacher having a statue of Buddha on display if they're Buddhist.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There's that attack on character I was just talking about lol.

What do you mean? I was speaking hypothetically about bullies.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

What do you mean? I was speaking hypothetically about bullies.

I mean, you're not wrong

 

[rjs330]

Did you read the story? They only advised her against it, they didn't prohibit it remotely, which is a basic application of a general versus a specific rule

So they shouldn't have even had the accompanying message that everyone is welcome? Seems like that would go too far in repressing anything that would seem like a personal view rather than something that is common and humanitarian.

It is not a partisan flag, the others you mention explicitly are, linked to a specific ideology and not often one that is remotely positive in nature (who's going to advocate for freaking ISIS, a paramilitary terrorist organization and think that's a free speech thing in school?)

Not all flags are equal, that's where you're oversimplifying, because politics is not innately partisan. This would be like acting as if BLM is just all Marxist because a particular group (not the only BLM group) said as much in their ideals or such. Advocating against racism or saying that LGBTQ people are valid is not controversial in a civil society that supposedly is about human dignity and liberty. Repressing that is tantamount to an antithetical hypocrisy that goes the "Do as I say, not as I do," route.

It's not my preferential notion here, it's applying a standard where not all flags fit into the aspect you want to shoehorn them into. And a sign that the teacher also put up is also not in the vein of putting up a partisan flag of a political group that affects policy explicitly versus one that is functioning far more as a non profit and non partisan group. Or is the idea that all are welcome something controversial and divisive?

You don't think the gay pride flag is political. Every flag is a political flag when brought into public. Would hanging the Christian flag be okay? Or a Muslim flag? How about a Thin Blue line flag? As long as the teacher did not say anything about it what would be wrong in doing so? It's because these symbols are used politically and create division.

The only flags that should be in a classroom are the US flag and the State flag.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

You don't think the gay pride flag is political. Every flag is a political flag when brought into public. Would hanging the Christian flag be okay? Or a Muslim flag? How about a Thin Blue line flag? As long as the teacher did not say anything about it what would be wrong in doing so? It's because these symbols are used politically and create division.

The only flags that should be in a classroom are the US flag and the State flag.

*points at my response* ;-)

 

[rjs330]

MAGA hats and signs are not in the same vein as "All are welcome" or a rainbow flag, because we can easily demonstrate the link to white supremacy and other damaging aspects, while LGBTQ positivity is not something negative in terms of basic acknowledgement that they should be given respect

Also, NRA is explicitly trying to influence policy, a rainbow flag is not necessarily linked in the same way, because it doesn't have to be about policy, but principle.

And a front yard is decidedly a different context versus a school, because that's private property and the only major limitation would be civil statutes or HOA code versus anything in regards to a school having a captive audience of students and seeking education, not indoctrination.

A mere rainbow flag or such is not exclusionary at all, same as a BLM flag, because it is not saying white lives suck, it's saying they already matter and that systemic racism should be addressed, neither of which are controversial in the 21st century except in an absurdly white supremacist country like America where white fragility rules.

The gay flag is not "all are welcome". The gay flag is all LGBTQ+ are welcome. It doesn't say Muslims are welcome because Muslim religion prohibits this behavior. Its an in your face symbol, that says if you don't believe in this you are not welcome.

 

[rjs330]

Well, no matter which version of the story we adhere to, no one forced the teacher to resign.

Is removal of the rainbow flag indoctrination? No, because the principle/policy is that such symbols are not allowed in the classroom on the basis of indoctrination. It should never have been there in the first place. Removing it is just adhering to the principle, not indoctrinating students.



No, I think you're wrong. Feel free to try to support that claim.

(It just so happens that whites and blacks can successfully breed)

If a teacher put up a Christian flag it would be considered trying to indoctrinate children. Even if the teacher said nothing about it.

 

[rjs330]

But its the right demanding the removal of a symbol because they find it offensive for some reason.

This is what happens when the left starts pushing for removal of things from a classroom. Which has been going on for a long time before now. Now when someone wants one of the lefts symbols removed, suddenly it's a bad thing. You made the bed, now it's time to lie in it.

 

[rjs330]

Is it? I just heard a parent complained. Do we have their voting record or something?

The problem is that now....because of a bunch of people saying that "offensive flags" should be removed and doing little protests over flags....schools are just going to remove flags when the complaint gets made.

If you think that sounds stupid....I agree completely, and I said as much when it was the Confederate flag.

This is what the left wanted. They made this bed....now they gotta sleep in it.

I have to apologize. I created a post that is very similar to yours here. I hadn't read this one yet, so I did mean to plagiarize. But you are spot on!

 

[rjs330]

"Objectum"? Did you even spellcheck that part? Not sure that's remotely a thing or it was a major typo

There is a need for pride flags for minority sexualities, but that requires you understanding that pride doesn't mean what you automatically assume based on common usage within this context, same as black pride, etc. It is not assertion of superiority and arrogance about self worth, it is asserting that you have dignity as a person and will not be silenced, marginalized or treated like you are a freak by a society that does so out of ignorance.

The pride aspect doesn't have to be part of the class to constitute a distraction, because it is no different than putting up the banner in itself that says all are welcome except in how people just assume LGBTQ pride means you treat straight people like garbage (you don't, they're considered the norm, they have no reason for pride in that sense because they've never been persecuted)

There have been a lot of different people in this country who have been persecuted by others thought history. Black people, Chinese, Irish, Native Americans, Witches, Muslims, Jews Mormons, etc etc. Should all of them be allowed to fly the flags in the school room?

People are aweful and no one should be persecuting anyone. But we are all offended by one thing or another. We were especially offended by those who dont believe what we believe. And it was the left that decided they were so offended by things, that those things just had to go from public buildings etc. Now they want to bring in their own things that others find offensive. Well too bad. If you claim one thing is offensive and must go, you have just handed everyone the same ability. Congratulations you got what you wanted. Now you have to live with it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What do you mean? I was speaking hypothetically about bullies.

Really? Even though the post wasn't talking about hypothetical bullies? You just leapt to the hypothetical without any context?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Really? Even though the post wasn't talking about hypothetical bullies? You just leapt to the hypothetical without any context?

I can't be held responsible for a hypothetical situation involving hypothetical people unable to follow a hypothetical conversation.

The real world keeps me busy enough.