Are there further chances after death?

[Der Alte]

The term "preach to the dead", would suggest, along with "judged indeed according to men in the flesh", would suggest that the same chance was given to them, that is given to us. i.e. they would not have been cleared out.
1Pe 4:6 For unto this end was the gospel preached even to the dead, that they might be judged indeed according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

But for the following verses.
1)Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten.
2) Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live: they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them and made all their memory to Perish.
3) Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
4) Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead rise and praise thee? Selah.
5)Psalms 88:11 Shall thy loving kindness be declared in the grave? thy faithfulness in destruction?
6)Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
7) John 9:4 must work the works of him that sent me. while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
8) Psalms 30:9
What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
9) Psalms 115:17
17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
10) Psalms 88:5
5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.
11) Proverbs 11:7
7 When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust men perisheth.
12) Proverbs 24:20 for the evildoer has no future hope[/color[, and the lamp or the wicked will be snuffed out.
13) Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee:they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
14) Hebrews 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[Aussie Pete]

No, Calvinists are wrong. As are most Christians.

There was a topic recently asking if posters would be a Christian if there was no afterlife.
To my shock and amazement, the majority of Christian respondents said a resounding, "No. They would not be Christians if there was no afterlife."

I was flabbergasted. They saw no value in following Christ in this life if there was no life to come.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think the gospel should be forwarded on the basis of spiritual extortion with the threat of "eternal" hell if they don't comply.

However, it is comforting to know that God's ultimate goal is redemption, not damnation. We weren't born to burn.

Yes, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. One would be better of going into the afterlife without the eye or hand that makes us sin. And it would have been better if some had never been born. Like Judas.

But, after an age of correction, everything will be restored.

Rev 21:5
He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!"

Why were you shocked? People are born sinners separated from God. They do not know God. You may be sure that Satan is not going to tell them about God's love. Lord Jesus said that one of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to convict the world of sin. That is because most people, even the worst, think that they are good people.

I've never met an unsaved individual that has the right concept of God. Either they ignore God or believe that God is responsible for the evils in the world. The good stuff comes after the born again experience. Then the new believer has ears to hear and eyes to see. Yes, we should be preaching the good news as well as bringing conviction of sin. But God only saves sinners. Unless a person acknowledges their sin, there is no hope for them.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

But for the following verses.
1)Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten.
2) Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live: they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them and made all their memory to Perish.
3) Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
4) Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead rise and praise thee? Selah.
5)Psalms 88:11 Shall thy loving kindness be declared in the grave? thy faithfulness in destruction?
6)Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
7) John 9:4 must work the works of him that sent me. while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
8) Psalms 30:9
What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
9) Psalms 115:17
17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
10) Psalms 88:5
5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.
11) Proverbs 11:7
7 When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust men perisheth.
12) Proverbs 24:20 for the evildoer has no future hope[/color[, and the lamp or the wicked will be snuffed out.
13) Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee:they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
14) Hebrews 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Jesus disagrees with you:

Luk 16:20-26 But a poor beggar named Lazarus was brought to the gate of the rich man's house. He was happy just to eat the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. His body was covered with sores, and dogs kept coming up to lick them. The poor man died, and angels took him to the place of honor next to Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. He went to hell and was suffering terribly. When he looked up and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side, he said to Abraham, "Have pity on me! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch my tongue. I'm suffering terribly in this fire." Abraham answered, "My friend, remember that while you lived, you had everything good, and Lazarus had everything bad. Now he is happy, and you are in pain. And besides, there is a deep ditch between us, and no one from either side can cross over."

Mat 18:8 If your hand or foot causes you to sin, chop it off and throw it away! You would be better off to go into life crippled or lame than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into the fire that never goes out.

 

[Hmm]

You want to win me over quote one verse, two or more would be better, where God, Himself, or Jesus, Himself, says unequivocally that all mankind will be saved, no matter what, righteous and unrighteous, even after death. If this is God's policy then God must have clearly stated it somewhere.

Let's try this one then:

When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:28
​

Here's Gregory of Nyssa's commentary on the verse:

"What therefore is the scope of Paul's argument in this place [1 Cor. 15:28]? That the nature of evil, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine, immortal goodness embraces within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from his Kingdom. All the viciousness, that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things, shall be dissolved and consumed in the furnace of purgatorial fire; and everything that had its origin from God, shall be restored to its pristine state of purity."
Tract, in Dictum Apostoli, Tunc etiam ipse Filius subjicietur, and c.p. 137, and seqq.

Gregory of Nyssa was a universalist. He is called the "the father of fathers" and made a large contribution to the Nicene Creed and the doctrine of the Trinity and so can hardly be dismissed as a heretic.

Do you disagree with his interpretation?

 

[Der Alte]

Jesus disagrees with you:
Luk 16:20-26 But a poor beggar named Lazarus was brought to the gate of the rich man's house. He was happy just to eat the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. His body was covered with sores, and dogs kept coming up to lick them. The poor man died, and angels took him to the place of honor next to Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. He went to hell and was suffering terribly. When he looked up and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side, he said to Abraham, "Have pity on me! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch my tongue. I'm suffering terribly in this fire." Abraham answered, "My friend, remember that while you lived, you had everything good, and Lazarus had everything bad. Now he is happy, and you are in pain. And besides, there is a deep ditch between us, and no one from either side can cross over."

ALL I did was quote scripture, without any commentary from me, so how can Jesus disagree with that?
This passage says nothing about all mankind being saved, righteous and unrighteous alike, no matter what even after death. It does say where Lazarus is nobody on the other side can cross over.

Mat 18:8 If your hand or foot causes you to sin, chop it off and throw it away! You would be better off to go into life crippled or lame than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into the fire that never goes out.

Please explain how this says all mankind will be saved, the good and the bad, no matter what, even after death?

 

[Der Alte]

Let's try this one then:

When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:28​

Here's Gregory of Nyssa's commentary on the verse:
"What therefore is the scope of Paul's argument in this place [1 Cor. 15:28]? That the nature of evil, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine, immortal goodness embraces within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from his Kingdom. All the viciousness, that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things, shall be dissolved and consumed in the furnace of purgatorial fire; and everything that had its origin from God, shall be restored to its pristine state of purity."
Tract, in Dictum Apostoli, Tunc etiam ipse Filius subjicietur, and c.p. 137, and seqq.
Gregory of Nyssa was a universalist. He is called the "the father of fathers" and made a large contribution to the Nicene Creed and the doctrine of the Trinity and so can hardly be dismissed as a heretic.
Do you disagree with his interpretation?

The opinion of one heretical ECF does NOT invalidate the words of scripture e.g.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesian 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.​

 

[Ceallaigh]

The opinion of one heretical ECF

Gregory of Nyssa is known by the acts of the Seventh Ecumenical Council as the “Father of Fathers".

 

[Faith Unites]

Let's try this one then:

When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:28
​

Here's Gregory of Nyssa's commentary on the verse:

"What therefore is the scope of Paul's argument in this place [1 Cor. 15:28]? That the nature of evil, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine, immortal goodness embraces within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from his Kingdom. All the viciousness, that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things, shall be dissolved and consumed in the furnace of purgatorial fire; and everything that had its origin from God, shall be restored to its pristine state of purity."
Tract, in Dictum Apostoli, Tunc etiam ipse Filius subjicietur, and c.p. 137, and seqq.

Gregory of Nyssa was a universalist. He is called the "the father of fathers" and made a large contribution to the Nicene Creed and the doctrine of the Trinity and so can hardly be dismissed as a heretic.

Do you disagree with his interpretation?

FWIW Gregory did believe an eternal hell existed though. He also references 1 Cor 15:28 in his work On the Soul and the Resurrection he says "Therefore, those who have parted with evil will be united with Him; and so, as the Apostle says, God will be all in all ; for this utterance seems to me plainly to confirm the opinion we have already arrived at, for it means that God will be instead of all other things, and in all." Keyword being "those". Meaning there will be some that have not parted.

 

[Ceallaigh]

FWIW Gregory did believe an eternal hell existed though. He also references 1 Cor 15:28 in his work On the Soul and the Resurrection he says "Therefore, those who have parted with evil will be united with Him; and so, as the Apostle says, God will be all in all ; for this utterance seems to me plainly to confirm the opinion we have already arrived at, for it means that God will be instead of all other things, and in all." Keyword being "those". Meaning there will be some that have not parted.

Where's the part about eternal hell?

 

[Der Alte]

Where's the part about eternal hell?

"Them" that are not part of "those who have parted with evil will be united with Him."
If everyone, i.e. all mankind, "have parted with evil" why does the writer not say "all have parted with evil and will be united with Him?"

 

[Faith Unites]

Where's the part about eternal hell?

It is inferred because this is referring to when God becomes all in all. But he also writes “ Therefore, He Who destroyed the night of death, crushed the power contained in the serpent’s head, as the Prophet says. The rest of the beast’s body dispersed in human life, as long as mankind is motivated by evil, always roughens life with the scales of sin. The serpents power is now dead, since its head has been rendered useless, but as time passes and thing endowed with motion come a standstill at the awaited consumption of this life, then the tail, the enemy’s last remaining part, that is, death, is annulled. In this way evil will completely disappear, when all are recalled to life through the resurrection: the righteous will immediately be transported to celestial bliss, while those held in grip of sins will be consigned to the fire of Gehenna”. Meaning that the second death is the eternal hell. Death will no longer have a place in the realm of God. And hell is the total absence of Him.

 

[Ceallaigh]

It is inferred because this is referring to when God becomes all in all. But he also writes “ Therefore, He Who destroyed the night of death, crushed the power contained in the serpent’s head, as the Prophet says. The rest of the beast’s body dispersed in human life, as long as mankind is motivated by evil, always roughens life with the scales of sin. The serpents power is now dead, since its head has been rendered useless, but as time passes and thing endowed with motion come a standstill at the awaited consumption of this life, then the tail, the enemy’s last remaining part, that is, death, is annulled. In this way evil will completely disappear, when all are recalled to life through the resurrection: the righteous will immediately be transported to celestial bliss, while those held in grip of sins will be consigned to the fire of Gehenna”. Meaning that the second death is the eternal hell. Death will no longer have a place in the realm of God. And hell is the total absence of Him.

That depends on if he believes hell is eternal. Universalists (I'm not saying
Gregory was one) believe in hell according David Bentley Hart. As I understand it, the difference is they see hell as a place of correction and purification (and there's scripture that talks about God purifying people with fire) rather than (from their pov) it being a pointless endless torture chamber.

 

[Ceallaigh]

"Them" that are not part of "those who have parted with evil will be united with Him."
If everyone, i.e. all mankind, "have parted with evil" why does the writer not say "all have parted with evil and will be united with Him?"

That's something you have to conjecture, because apparently it's not specifically said in his writings.

 

[Faith Unites]

That depends on if he believes hell is eternal. Universalists (I'm not saying
Gregory was one) believe in hell according David Bentley Hart. As I understand it, the difference is they see hell as a place of correction and purification (and there's scripture that talks about God purifying people with fire) rather than from their pov being a pointless endless torture chamber.

IMO it just seems logically incompatible for hell to be a place of remediation. The fire we are purified with comes from the trials in this life. That works because good (God) exists here. How can hell be remedial if good (God) does not exist in hell? We are saved through grace but it is ultimately a choice. We can choose to accept the gospel and God's grace or we can deny it. How can we be saved if we deny Him? If there is no good in hell that means there is only evil. How can evil purify us from evil? A remedial hell does not help the universalists central case on the character of God preventing an eternal hell because "He is all loving and would never allow ect". Instead, it turns God into and incapable teacher that must torture His people in order to get them to submit to Him. In order for a remedial hell to work God must also be in hell. St Augustine said that evil is the privation of the good and as long as a thing is alive it has some amount of good in it. The only way we have any good in us after death is if we have Christ's life in us at the point of death. If we do not have Him then we are still in our fallen state, only now there is no good that exists in us bc we are dead. Can Christ grant salvation to people outside of death? He is God so I believe He can. Will He? maybe (I hope so). Will He use hell to do it? Absolutely not.

 

[Ceallaigh]

IMO it just seems logically incompatible for hell to be a place of remediation. The fire we are purified with comes from the trials in this life. That works because good (God) exists here. How can hell be remedial if good (God) does not exist in hell? We are saved through grace but it is ultimately a choice. We can choose to accept the gospel and God's grace or we can deny it. How can we be saved if we deny Him? If there is no good in hell that means there is only evil. How can evil purify us from evil? A remedial hell does not help the universalists central case on the character of God preventing an eternal hell because "He is all loving and would never allow ect". Instead, it turns God into and incapable teacher that must torture His people in order to get them to submit to Him. In order for a remedial hell to work God must also be in hell. St Augustine said that evil is the privation of the good and as long as a thing is alive it has some amount of good in it. The only way we have any good in us after death is if we have Christ's life in us at the point of death. If we do not have Him then we are still in our fallen state, only now there is no good that exists in us bc we are dead. Can Christ grant salvation to people outside of death? He is God so I believe He can. Will He? maybe (I hope so). Will He use hell to do it? Absolutely not.

It's close to my bedtime so I'm not going to look up all the verses. But I believe scripture says hell will be visible from heaven and God will be watching over it. As for the purification with fire, I'm talking about passages in Ezekiel etc where God talks about pouring out his wrath and purifying sinful Israel in a furnace to burn away their dross so that only pure silver and gold remains. Also in Revelation it talks about the dogs outside the kingdom of heaven, but also says its gates will never close. As far as Augustine goes, I believe universalists accuse him of mixing his former paganism into the doctrine of hell. Plus we've gotten other extrabiblical ideas about hell from writings like Dante's Inferno.

 

[Der Alte]

* * *

It's close to my bedtime so I'm not going to look up all the verses. But I believe scripture says hell will be visible from heaven and God will be watching over it. As for the purification with fire, I'm talking about passages in Ezekiel etc where God talks about pouring out his wrath and purifying sinful Israel in a furnace to burn away their dross so that only pure silver and gold remains. Also in Revelation it talks about the dogs outside the kingdom of heaven, but also says its gates will never close. As far as Augustine goes, I believe universalists accuse him of mixing his former paganism into the doctrine of hell. Plus we've gotten other extrabiblical ideas about hell from writings like Dante's Inferno.

Nonsense. That is a common copout espoused by the Hell No! crowd. But there was a belief in Israel before and during the time of Jesus at least 14 centuries before the time of Dante of a place of eternal fiery punishment and the Jews called it both sheol and Ge Hinnom transliterated as hades and Gehenna in both the 225BC LXX and the NT 14.
The more likely scenario is Dante's inferno was appropriated from the Jewish belief.
…..According to these three incontrovertible Jewish sources quoted below; the Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica and the Talmud., among the יהודים/Yehudim/ιουδαιων/Youdaion/Jews in Israel, before and during the time of Jesus, there was a significant belief in a place of everlasting torment of the wicked and they called it both sheol and gehinnom, which are translated Hades and Gehenna, respectively, in both the 225 BC LXX and the NT.
…..There were different factions within Judaism; Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes etc. and different beliefs about resurrection, hell etc. These differing beliefs do not alter or disprove anything in the following post.

[1] Jewish Encyclopedia, Gehenna
The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch … in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). … the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a);[“Soon” in this verse would be about 700 BC +/-]​

[Note: this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT any assumed/alleged bias of “modern” Christian translators. DA]

(I)n general …sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell(B.M. 83b).
But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).[/i]
… heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [שאול/Sheol] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch [x. 6, xci. 9, etal] also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al). "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according toIsa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b).
Link: Jewish Encyclopedia Online
Note, scripture references are highlighted in blue.
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[2] Encyclopedia Judaica:
Gehinnom (Heb. גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּי בְנֵי הִנֹּם, גֵּיא בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּיא הִנֹּם; Gr. Γέεννα; "Valley of Ben-Hinnom, Valley of [the Son (s) of] Hinnom," Gehenna), a valley south of Jerusalem on one of the borders between the territories of Judah and Benjamin, between the Valley of *Rephaim and *En-Rogel (Josh. 15:8; 18:16). It is identified with Wadi er-Rababi.
…..During the time of the Monarchy, Gehinnom, at a place called Topheth, was the site of a cult which involved the burning of children (II Kings 23:10; Jer. 7:31; 32:35 et al.; ). Jeremiah repeatedly condemned this cult and predicted that on its account Topheth and the Valley of the Son of Hinnom would be called the Valley of the "Slaughter" (Jer. 19:5–6).
In Judaism the name Gehinnom is generally used as an appellation of the place of torment reserved for the wicked after death. The New Testament used the Greek form Gehenna in the same sense.
Gehinnom
http://www.jevzajcg.me/enciklopedia/Encyclopaedia Judaica, v. 07 (Fey-Gor).pdf
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[3] Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.
The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim, [i.e. followers of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]:
"And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written[Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more.
Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces."
Link: Tract Rosh Hashana: Chapter I.​

 

[chad kincham]

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

The word means world, or eternal, depending on context and rules of grammar and interpretation.

There’s no mistranslation there.

G166 (Strong)

αἰώνιος

aiōnios

ahee-o'-nee-os

From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

Total KJV occurrences: 71

It’s from G165 so let’s see that defined:

G165 (Strong)

αἰών

aiōn

ahee-ohn'

From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

I’d say close but no cigar, but that claim isn’t even close.

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Saint Steven]

I’d say close but no cigar, but that claim isn’t even close.

As I understand it, there are differences of opinion about the definitions.
The Greek speaking man in the video said "No." Maybe he knows something about the Greek language?

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

 

[Saint Steven]

IMO it just seems logically incompatible for hell to be a place of remediation.

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.


The Refining Furnace

Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 18 “Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to Me. All of them are copper, tin, iron, and lead inside the furnace; they are but the dross of silver. 19 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Because all of you have become dross, behold, I will gather you into Jerusalem. 20 Just as one gathers silver, copper, iron, lead, and tin into the furnace to melt with a fiery blast, so I will gather you in My anger and wrath, leave you there, and melt you. 21 Yes, I will gather you together and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you will be melted within the city. 22 As silver is melted in a furnace, so you will be melted within the city. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have poured out My wrath upon you.’ ” Ezekiel 22:17-22 (Berean Study Bible).

But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He will be like a refiner’s fire, like a launderer’s soap. Malachi 3:2

 

[Faith Unites]

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.


The Refining Furnace

Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 18 “Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to Me. All of them are copper, tin, iron, and lead inside the furnace; they are but the dross of silver. 19 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Because all of you have become dross, behold, I will gather you into Jerusalem. 20 Just as one gathers silver, copper, iron, lead, and tin into the furnace to melt with a fiery blast, so I will gather you in My anger and wrath, leave you there, and melt you. 21 Yes, I will gather you together and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you will be melted within the city. 22 As silver is melted in a furnace, so you will be melted within the city. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have poured out My wrath upon you.’ ” Ezekiel 22:17-22 (Berean Study Bible).

But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He will be like a refiner’s fire, like a launderer’s soap. Malachi 3:2

Yeah I don’t see how this is refining the old. The city was captured and the temple destroyed. God’s wrath destroyed. It did not refine anything.