Israel is planning to administer FOURTH Covid shot

[TLK Valentine]

I fully agree! Therefore, they should not be forced into getting Covid injections, and should not be restricted from societal activities for that decision.

Restricted by whom?

 

[rambot]

I fully agree! Therefore, they should not be forced into getting Covid injections, and should not be restricted from societal activities for that decision.
In the interest of equality, the same freedom of bodily automomy should be given to men as well.

Personally, I am open to not GOVERNMENT MANDATING injections. And because you agree with bodily autonomy you also agree woman have a right to what happens to their bodies.

Conversely, I am VERY happy with organizations and businesses having vaccine expectations and sincerely hope a lot of companies do, in the interest of the safety of their staff.

 

[rambot]

Whew! That's quite some newspeak you've just done!

How is it newspeak? Is it tyrannical when you can't go into McDonald's without a shirt?

Hahahhaha!
But seriously, are you ok?
Not sure what you're goin' on about here.

I'm not surprised you wouldn't be able to identify the actions of tyrannical governments.

Nothing quite as funny as watching your mother get raped....I guess?

 

[Aldebaran]

Personally, I am open to not GOVERNMENT MANDATING injections. And because you agree with bodily autonomy you also agree woman have a right to what happens to their bodies.

Now you're doing doublespeak. Bodily autonomy and government mandating that you be injected with something is a complete contradiction.

Conversely, I am VERY happy with organizations and businesses having vaccine expectations and sincerely hope a lot of companies do, in the interest of the safety of their staff.

I have no problem with a business expecting something. Discrimination based on that expectation is a different matter.

 

[Aldebaran]

How is it newspeak? Is it tyrannical when you can't go into McDonald's without a shirt?

I'm not surprised you wouldn't be able to identify the actions of tyrannical governments.

I've already identified them. I'm just puzzled at why you're defending them.

Nothing quite as funny as watching your mother get raped....I guess?

The only thing that's funny is why you keep mentioning my mother getting raped. That was never the subject of the thread, and I can't imagine how you even shoehorn it into the discussion. Watching you try is what's making me laugh about it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I've already identified them. I'm just puzzled at why you're defending them.

Are they here in the room with us now?

 

[Hazelelponi]

And because you agree with bodily autonomy you also agree woman have a right to what happens to their bodies.

The difference is that the intention and result of every single abortion is the pre-meditated murder of a human being. That's the sole intention of abortion - it exists solely to end human life.

Being unvaccinated doesn't murder anyone. I've yet to have any vaccine and have never contracted COVID. Never. And I have been tested more than once. Negative every time. No one has been sick as a result of being in my presence, let alone die.

I can't say the same for others who have had the vaccine. I personally know one person (1 out of only 3 people I personally know very well who have been vaccinated) who is both fully vaccinated, both shots, and is now suffering from COVID, and is in strict quarantine because she is also contagious.

So, the end result of being unvaccinated doesn't result involve death 100% of the time nor is murder its sole purpose...

covid also spreads via the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

Those who are vaccinated are only promised a better outcome... that's my choice to decline.

 

[Taodeching]

Imagine if you had lived a few decades ago, and brought that same "can-do (but won't)" attitude to the Polio discussions...

If these people were around then we all would be dead.

 

[rambot]

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[GOD Shines Forth!]

..in your opinion.

You've been sharing yours on this thread. I guess everyone has one after all.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If these people were around then we all would be dead.

If this vaccine were like the polio vaccine no one would need to be forced to take it against their will.

When the polio vaccine first came out not everyone was rushing to be first to take it (only .37% of the population signed up to try the polio vaccine when it was first available experimentally).

When the experimental group was so successful against the disease people ran to get the vaccine.

That run definitely slowed to a crawl when a mistake at a lab produced vaccines that actually gave people polio... after that it took some time for people to become more accepting again, but it was overcome because the polio cases after the vaccine was administered truly was a manufacturing mistake, and the vaccine turned out to be truly effective against polio.

Since 1979, no cases of polio have originated in the United States, and other nations have similar such results.

Today with COVID, we are now learning after watching the experimental group (a far larger percentage of people now than that of the experimental polio group, in large part because we now know vaccines can be very effective at eradicating disease) that this vaccine isn't effective at eradicating the disease at all...

Hence, why some are choosing not to take it. If it worked people would be lining up, not reading of boosters being required every 6 months for the rest of our lives to potentially have "better outcomes" than the unvaccinated may have.

 

[Taodeching]

As I said if these people were around then we would all be dead, thank God that the internet wasn't around to make people into what they become now. The difference is people weren't as selfish as they are now, people wanted to help their neighbor. Christianity was more understood now we have an Americanized Christianity which believes wild conspiracy theories and cares only about self and individual rights.

 

[Hazelelponi]

As I said if these people were around then we would all be dead, thank God that the internet wasn't around to make people into what they become now.

I'm learning most by watching those I know... I know 3 people who have been vaccinated, all three have experienced COVID, two prior to recieving the vaccine, and one after.

The one after is very ill, having contracted COVID after her second shot, not as a result of getting the shot, just from exposure at work. She is far more ill than the other two who contracted COVID while they were unvaccinated. (They had extremely mild symptoms).

I only catch the booster news here on this site, as I don't follow the news anymore..

I am told my freind who is vaccinated and contagious with COVID, can spread COVID because she has to be quarantined, no work, no grocery shopping, no one can visit... per the CDC guidelines because she is contagious, and others can get sick through contact with her - even though she's fully vaccinated.

Didn't get that on the internet, got it watching people I know... learn a lot that way, means people who read the CDC website didn't lie, COVID vaccines neither prevent one from getting the virus, nor from spreading it.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

The difference is people weren't as selfish as they are now, people wanted to help their neighbor. Christianity was more understood now we have an Americanized Christianity which believes wild conspiracy theories and cares only about self and individual rights.

Ground Control to Taodeching...

For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”

--Romans 3 (by way of Psalm 53)

 

[TLK Valentine]

If these people were around then we all would be dead.

Well, they might be... I'd have gotten my Polio shot.

Iron Lung -- not a good look for me.

 

[rambot]

.Today with COVID, we are now learning after watching the experimental group (a far larger percentage of people now than that of the experimental polio group, in large part because we now know vaccines can be very effective at eradicating disease) that this vaccine isn't effective at eradicating the disease at all...

Hence, why some are choosing not to take it. If it worked people would be lining up, not reading of boosters being required every 6 months for the rest of our lives to potentially have "better outcomes" than the unvaccinated may have.

1. There are a lot of different reasons why people don't take the vax. It ranges for me from "I totally agree" to "you need mental help".
2. The vaccine has been shown to do a very good job about keeping you out of the hospital. Irradicating a disease , that had only existed for two years with new technology, certainly must seems more than a bit pie-in-the-sky right? We could accept that?

3. You are TERRIBLY misguided if you don't think vaccines are not going to be improved upon and the disease will be better understood and health outcomes will be better. But it takes time
So buy yourself some time for something better and get the shot.

I'm learning most by watching those I know... I know 3 people who have been vaccinated, all three have experienced COVID, two prior to recieving the vaccine, and one after.

The one after is very ill, having contracted COVID after her second shot, not as a result of getting the shot, just from exposure at work. She is far more ill than the other two who contracted COVID while they were unvaccinated. (They had extremely mild symptoms)

. First, without knowing personal medical histories there's really no point in commenting on that.
I'm double vaxxed and I have COPD and am overweight. My very fit much younger nephew is unvaxxed. The broader picture is important to remember vaccine (with your coworkers) is truly none of my business.
But what I DO hope can be recognized is that the covid vaccine likely saved her life.
In the meantime,. I have about 300 people I know who are vaxxed and none of them have covid at all. Their circles are mostly vaccinated and I think I've heard of a case or two of covid in my extended circle since June or July.

I only catch the booster news here on this site, as I don't follow the news anymore

..I can respect that

I am told my freind who is vaccinated and contagious with COVID, can spread COVID because she has to be quarantined, no work, no grocery shopping, no one can visit... per the CDC guidelines because she is contagious, and others can get sick through contact with her - even though she's fully vaccinated.

I personally never remember a time when I thought getting the covid vaccine meant that you couldn't still be a carrier and infect people. At least because the highest percent effective was 93% and not 100% you could still deduce that there would be a risk.

I wonder if perhaps your sources were subpar or you only remember some very early time in the vaccine discussion.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You are TERRIBLY misguided if you don't think vaccines are not going to be improved upon and the disease will be better understood and health outcomes will be better.

They might, and I'll wait happily for one to come out that's a typical vaccine that may actually inoculate the persons taking it...

At that time, ill see how governments are treating the vaccine (i.e. as a means for totalitarian control of the masses the world over or as medicine that can be freely examined) and depending on that answer and my own personal health circumstances, I'll consider taking it.

I wonder if perhaps your sources were subpar or you only remember some very early time in the vaccine discussion.

Probably fairly early on... I was very interested in the vaccine early on, did a lot of examining what was being published about the various ones coming out, or soon to come out.

But when it very quickly stopped being about medicine I stopped following any of it until recently, and that only because people stopped believing in personal medical autonomy.

What transpired between my decision to wait for a more traditional style of vaccine to come out and now in society is shocking to me, beyond shocking really. It's not even about the vaccine anymore, it's about whether we bow before God or man...

 

[dqhall]

This is for the last seven days, they are 18th if you look at the whole epidemic. For evaluating current policy, current numbers make sense. Totals for the whole period are harder to interpret because of the many changes both in the situation and policies. For the whole thing NJ is first, but a lot of that is that the area around NYC was hit first. I think you can criticize NJ and the rest of the NYC area for being a week or two late in response at the start.

Why did Florida advance to #1 for the past few weeks instead of NJ or NYC?
Is it an anti-mask, anti-vaccination passport attitude?

 

[KCfromNC]

Rabies vaccines are used after exposure to Rabies.

Ignoring the fact that isn't true, how does that change the fact that they, like the covid vaccine, are safe and effective ways to prevent disease that require multiple shots to work?

 

[KCfromNC]

Who is "we"? If you're vaccinated, just remember: COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick.

They're not effective in keeping unvaccainted people from overwhelming medical services, though.