Israel is planning to administer FOURTH Covid shot

[Fantine]

Is it a hallmark of a conservative to not wear a helmet on a motorcycle?

I'm asking because it's the first thing you mention. To me, this behaviour seems foolish.

And presumably your friend was insured for disability by Social Security, Workmen's Comp, or private insurance. If he contributed to a program that covers him why would he not make a claim? Social Security is not an "entitlement." WC is not an "entitlement." They are contractual agreements to which he has contributed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

From the 'Hold on! This used to be a conspiracy theory!' files:

Israel is planning to administer FOURTH Covid shot which could be adjusted to fight new variants as country battles wave of infections despite hugely successful vaccine roll-out

Israel is set to begin preparations to administer fourth doses of the coronavirus vaccines as the country deals with soaring cases despite its trail-blazing roll-out of jabs.

The country's national coronavirus czar Salman Zarka said the country needs to prepare for a fourth injection, which could be modified to better protect against new variants of the virus.

'Given that that the virus is here and will continue to be here, we also need to prepare for a fourth injection,' he told Kan public radio.

'This is our life from now on, in waves.'

Ah, those wacky Israelis... you know they actually started building a wall around their country to protect themselves?

Who'd be crazy enough to use them as a role model?

 

[Nithavela]

And presumably your friend was insured for disability by Social Security, Workmen's Comp, or private insurance. If he contributed to a program that covers him why would he not make a claim? Social Security is not an "entitlement." WC is not an "entitlement." They are contractual agreements to which he has contributed.

Of course social security is an entitlement. He has made contributions to it, so he is entitled to being supported when he needs it.

 

[Larniavc]

I'd love to see your face when everything is bought via a digital currency that is controlled by the government, and your transaction is declined because the social credit algorithm decided you'd already bought too much alcohol/sweets/cakes/bacon/steaks/caffeine that month.

What on Earth makes you think that will happen? The government has been able to do that for decades.

But it never has. I live in a western democracy- not China.

 

[Larniavc]

With covid jabs it's all untested so they just make it up as they go along. It was supposed to be two doses. Then a booster was proposed. Now Israel is planning for dose number four.

It has been tested though.

How do you not know this?

 

[KCfromNC]

The diffrence is this:

Recipients of the rabies vaccine know up front that four doses are required.

How many doses of tetanus vaccines or flu vaccines will one need over their lifetimes? Does not knowing the exact number have any impact on the fact that they are safe and effective?

 

[Hazelelponi]

I can see the headlines in 12 months:

"Israel is planning to administer its 20th Covid shot"......

 

[JustSomeBloke]

What on Earth makes you think that will happen? The government has been able to do that for decades.

But it never has. I live in a western democracy- not China.

The government has been able to do that for decades? Really? Are you sure about that?

OK, so I go to my local shop with a used £10 note to buy something. How does the UK government review and stop the transaction? Of course they can't. And with a used £10 note they have no way of even linking me to the transaction. I don't know why you are saying this stuff. It's clearly wrong.

It has been tested though.

How do you not know this?

If they didn't know that two jabs would eventually morph into three jabs, then four, then clearly it hasn't been tested, or they would have known. Or maybe they did know, but deliberately concealed that fact. Either way, anyone with any sense will not sign up for a such a programme. I still haven't had a single test or jab. I feel sorry for those who are not particularly at risk from covid, and lacked the gumption to sit it out and watch for a while.

How many doses of tetanus vaccines or flu vaccines will one need over their lifetimes? Does not knowing the exact number have any impact on the fact that they are safe and effective?

Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha!

 

[Aldebaran]

Why are you bashing the rabies vaccine? CDC - Medical Care: Rabies Vaccine - Rabies

A regimen of four 1-mL doses of HDCV or PCEC vaccines should be administered intramuscularly to previously unvaccinated persons.

The first dose of the four-dose course should be administered as soon as possible after exposure. Additional doses should be administered on days 3, 7, and 14 after the first vaccination.
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In other words, the posted claim may sound truthy, but it's just meaningless noise backed up by nothing related to reality of how medicine works.

Rabies vaccines are used after exposure to Rabies.

 

[Aldebaran]

That’s been the case for 30 years. Stop worrying so much.

Social credit score has been around 30 years?

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah! And if chemo treatments for cancer patients were any good, they'd only need to go in once.

Come on man. These arguments are not strong.

Chemo is not a vaccine.
Come on man!

 

[Aldebaran]

Wow! That was 0-60 in 1.2 seconds.
Or maybe......
It won't and the government is just trying to, you know, control an epidemic that is quickly evolving.

Government tyranny usually comes in a nice-looking package. Usually something all-inclusive-sounding like, "Public Health". It wouldn't sell otherwise.

 

[Aldebaran]

Absolute hysteria

The Chinese would disagree:

"Brits are well accustomed to credit checks: data brokers such as Experian trace the timely manner in which we pay our debts, giving us a score that's used by lenders and mortgage providers. We also have social-style scores, and anyone who has shopped online with eBay has a rating on shipping times and communication, while Uber drivers and passengers both rate each other; if your score falls too far, you're out of luck.

China's social credit system expands that idea to all aspects of life, judging citizens' behaviour and trustworthiness. Caught jaywalking, don't pay a court bill, play your music too loud on the train — you could lose certain rights, such as booking a flight or train ticket. "The idea itself is not a Chinese phenomenon," says Mareike Ohlberg, research associate at the Mercator Institute for China Studies. Nor is the use, and abuse, of aggregated data for analysis of behaviour. "But if [the Chinese system] does come together as envisioned, it would still be something very unique," she says. "It's both unique and part of a global trend."
The complicated truth about China's social credit system

 

[Sparagmos]

Actually this case involves getting the same results - protection from illness and death.

 

[Sparagmos]

And this is what truly concerns me. Not so much the potential side effects, though those are bizarre. But the way this is turning into a draconian, pressurized litmus test as to how worthy / fit you are to continue interacting with other people. Not that people *shouldn’t* get the vaccine; for most people, it’ll be the right choice. But not for everyone, for various reasons.

They are turning what should have been a very simple “yes, please!” or “no, thank you!” choice into a gauntlet that stupidly pits people against each other. It’s more psychological than medical, imho. And it’s bizarre.

Maybe because we are being directly affected by the unvaccinated? Our hospitals are clogged with them, keeping others from getting treatment. Hospital workers are overworked. Hospitality workers are still laid off, and schools are having to shutdown because of massive quarantines.

 

[Aldebaran]

Maybe because we are being directly affected by the unvaccinated? Our hospitals are clogged with them, keeping others from getting treatment. Hospital workers are overworked. Hospitality workers are still laid off, and schools are having to shutdown because of massive quarantines.

Who is "we"? If you're vaccinated, just remember: COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick. Based on what we know about COVID-19 vaccines, people who have been fully vaccinated can do things that they had stopped doing because of the pandemic.

The above is from the CDC, updated Sept. 1st.
COVID-19 Vaccination

So don't worry! Roll up your sleeve and get the jab, and get back to normal.
Quit worrying about those who decide otherwise. You're protected, right? Right???

 

[ripple the car]

Maybe because we are being directly affected by the unvaccinated? Our hospitals are clogged with them, keeping others from getting treatment. Hospital workers are overworked. Hospitality workers are still laid off, and schools are having to shutdown because of massive quarantines.

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. It’s not going away. It’s even a few steps ahead of our latest and supposedly greatest vaccine efforts. Everything the media has told us about this virus, how quick it would be to defeat, what would work, and how we were going to beat it has been proven untrue.

At some point, we have to ask ourselves if another person’s humanity matters more to us than data sets, headlines, promises, and fear-mongering. And be careful that what we are being told doesn’t turn us against each other.

 

[Sparagmos]

Who is "we"? If you're vaccinated, just remember: COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick. Based on what we know about COVID-19 vaccines, people who have been fully vaccinated can do things that they had stopped doing because of the pandemic.

The above is from the CDC, updated Sept. 1st.
COVID-19 Vaccination

So don't worry! Roll up your sleeve and get the jab, and get back to normal.
Quit worrying about those who decide otherwise. You're protected, right? Right???

Did you even read my post? I specifically listed the effects to the vaccinated. My VACCINATED best friend who works at the hospital, the VACCINATED people waiting hours or days for a hospital bed, VACCINATED hotel and convention center workers I represent whose jobs have not come back, the VACCINATED parents who can’t send their kids to school…

 

[TLK Valentine]

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. It’s not going away. It’s even a few steps ahead of our latest and supposedly greatest vaccine efforts. Everything the media has told us about this virus, how quick it would be to defeat, what would work, and how we were going to beat it has been proven untrue.

At some point, we have to ask ourselves if another person’s humanity matters more to us than data sets, headlines, promises, and fear-mongering. And be careful that what we are being told doesn’t turn us against each other.

Imagine if you had lived a few decades ago, and brought that same "can-do (but won't)" attitude to the Polio discussions...

 

[Sparagmos]

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. It’s not going away. It’s even a few steps ahead of our latest and supposedly greatest vaccine efforts. Everything the media has told us about this virus, how quick it would be to defeat, what would work, and how we were going to beat it has been proven untrue.

At some point, we have to ask ourselves if another person’s humanity matters more to us than data sets, headlines, promises, and fear-mongering. And be careful that what we are being told doesn’t turn us against each other.

I find this response non-sequester to my comment. It seemed you did not understand why the vaccinated would care about the choice of another to be vaccinated. I listed some of the effects the unvaccinated are having on the rest of us. I agree we will be living with this virus for a long time. Why should hospital workers have to live this way simply because people refuse to get vaccinated? Do you know what they are going through right now in some states? I know a lot of workers who are in daily turmoil wondering it their workplace will be shut down again, and unemployment extensions have ended. At this point, the only reason this is happening is unvaccinated people.