Israel is planning to administer FOURTH Covid shot

[rambot]

They are singing "Another one bites the dust." at every opportunity. Look at the headlines for the last two years! Do you think they were altruistic about it when Trump got Covid?

Pu.Lease. EVERY opportunity? Frankly, I'm pretty surprised that the left side has lasted this long in the face of fear and misinformation. Over the last couple months there has certainly been a growing number of folks online who are more "fine, if they wanna die, go ahead". But even THAT has now changed because they see that even if those people don't die but DO end up the hospital, those resources are pulled away from even LESS preventable emergencies.
The original point was pretty solid; if the left REALLY wanted all of your to die, they would NOT be encouraging you to get the vaccine.


Just as a summary:

374,000,000 vaccine doses adminstered.
3 deaths DIRECTLY linked to blood clots caused by J&J (note: Blood clots are not an uncommon side effect in medication [birth control has something like, 20x the number of blood clots per million as I recall. Strangely, birth control is considered "completely safe"]
up to 6000ish where it COULD have contributed.
Worst case:
That's 0.000016%
COVID cases:
40,000,000 (that is 10.6% of the number of vaccine doses given)
648,000 deaths
Worst case: 1.6% chance
And, let me be VERY VERY clear, I don't even think deaths are the biggest problem wiht COVID though they are certainly a problem I would have thought people would have stood up to take notice of.
Experts are saying about 30% of ALL COVID cases are long cases. I personally know several people who contracted it in April of LAST year who are still suffering. My wife got COVID last October and she has been NOTICEABLY more forgetful and describes her mental state as "foggier" compared to preCOVID. For some reason the "Long COVID" story is never told or discussed even though these events affect people of ALL ages.
Oh, and wouldn't you know it! Vaccines cut the chance of long COVID by half (at least this is what the data shows so far)

But let's say you are in your 40s:
4,565,870 cases in this age range
23, 194 deaths
That is a death rate of: 0.4%
That is still 25,000x safer than the vaccine

I'm sorry but those people who say that the vaccine is dangerous are just not comparing the vaccine to health outcomes. It's just not rational or data based.

Your equation is based on a false premise, fed to you by the supposed altruistic 'experts' and politicians and press. Like I said, I don't doubt YOU mean well; but you are deceived.

I want to believe you but your side just present such.terrible.evidence that it is so easily dismissed. And please help me understand why I should be swayed by terrible evidence?

FWIW my best friend (an atheist) watches only ABC news daily, and also believes the numbers you do, hates Trump, hates rich people, hates talk radio —the whole works; but otherwise he is at heart rather conservative. (Refuses to wear a helmet on his Harley, never activistic, hates taxes, believes what he earns and owns is his, thinks he might have to die if the laws say he has to give up his weapons, thinks Gov is getting out of hand, hates Congress, refuses to stop working and live off Gov though his body is pretty bad off and he could get disability if he wanted to, and this should please you —he doesn't vote).

He refuses the vaccine because he refuses to put something into his body he isn't altogether sure about.

For those people who refuse a vaccine for that reason, I can only assume that they are 100% pro-choice.
Is that fair to say about your friend?

While I disagree with both stances, I do appreciate the consistency.

 

[rambot]

link?

I have to wonder what sources you read if this is not already a known fact.

 

[Fantine]

Actually in deaths per million, Florida is 17th.

I do remember that DeSantis was forcing medical professionals to tinker with causes of death and infection numbers last year, so the stats are flawed.

Some of the states with the worst stats are the poor poor states like Mississippi, too. Floridians have more access to medical care.

 

[Aldebaran]

Vaccines in Israel are reducing the severity of covid in people who are vaccinated. There's a reason unvaccinated people are ~5x to end up hospitalized with the disease.

I'm amused that there's a thread with a bunch of anti-vaxx nonsense posts thinking that wanting to improve those numbers using a booster for the vaccine somehow means that vaccines are bad or the people who want to reduce hospitalizations from the disease even more are corrupt.

If the vax was so great, it wouldn't be needed a second, third, fourth, etc. time in such a short period. Oh yeah, now they've invented another "variant", so expect a fifth, sixth, seventh, etc. time.
No wonder they told us that this is the "new normal". It means, "Don't expect things to go back to normal again".

 

[Aldebaran]

Someone in my 55+ community Facebook group was vaccinated and got a mild breakthrough infection. Her ears were still stopped up a month after the infection. She was not hospitalized.

The cost of a COVID hospitalization is about $40,000.
Costs for a Hospital Stay for COVID-19 | FAIR Health

The U.S. is supposed to have booster shots ready 8 months after a person’s second vaccination.

Florida leads the nation in COVID deaths. Our governor does not like Fauci.

Many places were the leader in Covid deaths at one time. New York led the way once, and so did Italy, among others.

 

[Aldebaran]

If 3% of American conservatives (statistically the overwhelming majority of antivaxxers and anti-maskers) died that could swing some elections.

So why are Democrats begging you to get vaccinated if they have some evil plot at mind. You'd think they'd be singing "Another one bites the dust."

Either their motives are altruistic or they're stupid.

I think it's the former.

Controlling your enemy is far more desirable than killing them. What good is it to seize control if those you want to make subjects are gone?

 

[Larniavc]

It's not a coincidence that in the last year numerous governments around the world have started working on creating digital currency systems. Once digital currency is in place it can be joined up with vaccine passports to authorise or deny a transaction based on social credit score.

But that is the case today. I have not touched physical money in over a year. To me it’s now a number on a screen.

Which is nice.

 

[Aldebaran]

But that is the case today. I have not touched physical money in over a year. To me it’s now a number on a screen.

Which is nice.

It's nice until it one day is a big unexpected ZERO. That's when you discover that digital money can be stolen/seized more easily. When digital money is the only money you're allowed to have, you no longer have the option of keeping it physically, and privately. Not to mention not being tracked and monitored every time you use it so that your social credit score can be adjusted accordingly.

 

[KCfromNC]

If the vax was so great, it wouldn't be needed a second, third, fourth, etc. time in such a short period.

Why are you bashing the rabies vaccine? CDC - Medical Care: Rabies Vaccine - Rabies

A regimen of four 1-mL doses of HDCV or PCEC vaccines should be administered intramuscularly to previously unvaccinated persons.

The first dose of the four-dose course should be administered as soon as possible after exposure. Additional doses should be administered on days 3, 7, and 14 after the first vaccination.
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In other words, the posted claim may sound truthy, but it's just meaningless noise backed up by nothing related to reality of how medicine works.

 

[Larniavc]

It's nice until it one day is a big unexpected ZERO. That's when you discover that digital money can be stolen/seized more easily. When digital money is the only money you're allowed to have, you no longer have the option of keeping it physically, and privately. Not to mention not being tracked and monitored every time you use it so that your social credit score can be adjusted accordingly.

That’s been the case for 30 years. Stop worrying so much.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

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[rambot]

If the vax was so great, it wouldn't be needed a second, third, fourth, etc. time in such a short period. Oh yeah, now they've invented another "variant", so expect a fifth, sixth, seventh, etc. time.
No wonder they told us that this is the "new normal". It means, "Don't expect things to go back to normal again".

Yeah! And if chemo treatments for cancer patients were any good, they'd only need to go in once.

Come on man. These arguments are not strong.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Why are you bashing the rabies vaccine? CDC - Medical Care: Rabies Vaccine - Rabies

A regimen of four 1-mL doses of HDCV or PCEC vaccines should be administered intramuscularly to previously unvaccinated persons.

The first dose of the four-dose course should be administered as soon as possible after exposure. Additional doses should be administered on days 3, 7, and 14 after the first vaccination.
​

In other words, the posted claim may sound truthy, but it's just meaningless noise backed up by nothing related to reality of how medicine works.

The difference is this:

Recipients of the rabies vaccine know up front that four doses are required. That's because it's a fully tested programme of vaccinations that is known to work when administered that way.

With covid jabs it's all untested so they just make it up as they go along. It was supposed to be two doses. Then a booster was proposed. Now Israel is planning for dose number four.

If a salesman was trying to sell you something, would you buy if he told you that rather than being a one off purchase, he might unilaterally decide that it's now a subscription service with compulsory upgrades. Based on the average pro-vaxxer, I'd say they'd all keep buying the line that just one more upgrade was needed, and then you'd be set for life. It's ridiculous, but people keep falling for it.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

That’s been the case for 30 years. Stop worrying so much.

I'd love to see your face when everything is bought via a digital currency that is controlled by the government, and your transaction is declined because the social credit algorithm decided you'd already bought too much alcohol/sweets/cakes/bacon/steaks/caffeine that month.

Finally the penny might drop, that you sleepwalked into a tyranny, and there's now no way out. Won't you feel foolish when that happens?

 

[Nithavela]

If 3% of American conservatives (statistically the overwhelming majority of antivaxxers and anti-maskers) died that could swing some elections.

So why are Democrats begging you to get vaccinated if they have some evil plot at mind. You'd think they'd be singing "Another one bites the dust."

Either their motives are altruistic or they're stupid.

I think it's the former.

I think there is no difference.

 

[rambot]

I'd love to see your face when everything is bought via a digital currency that is controlled by the government, and your transaction is declined because the social credit algorithm decided you'd already bought too much alcohol/sweets/cakes/bacon/steaks/caffeine that month.

Finally the penny might drop, that you sleepwalked into a tyranny, and there's now no way out. Won't you feel foolish when that happens?

Wow! That was 0-60 in 1.2 seconds.
Or maybe......
It won't and the government is just trying to, you know, control an epidemic that is quickly evolving.

If it doesn't happen will you admit to your paranoia when we are old, typing away in our old folks homes?

 

[Nithavela]

They are singing "Another one bites the dust." at every opportunity. Look at the headlines for the last two years! Do you think they were altruistic about it when Trump got Covid?

Your equation is based on a false premise, fed to you by the supposed altruistic 'experts' and politicians and press. Like I said, I don't doubt YOU mean well; but you are deceived.

FWIW my best friend (an atheist) watches only ABC news daily, and also believes the numbers you do, hates Trump, hates rich people, hates talk radio —the whole works; but otherwise he is at heart rather conservative. (Refuses to wear a helmet on his Harley, never activistic, hates taxes, believes what he earns and owns is his, thinks he might have to die if the laws say he has to give up his weapons, thinks Gov is getting out of hand, hates Congress, refuses to stop working and live off Gov though his body is pretty bad off and he could get disability if he wanted to, and this should please you —he doesn't vote).

He refuses the vaccine because he refuses to put something into his body he isn't altogether sure about. But he wears a mask around his very elderly mother. Funny how many of these people I run into, who think of themselves as liberals, but when I ask them about it they sound like conservatives, as far as their own situation. The assumptions of most seems to be that the Rich have enough money/assets to support the rest of us for the remainder of their lives, and don't deserve what they have, as it was obtained "on the backs of the poor working class." They swallow the propaganda.

Is it a hallmark of a conservative to not wear a helmet on a motorcycle?

I'm asking because it's the first thing you mention. To me, this behaviour seems foolish.

 

[Taodeching]

I'd love to see your face when everything is bought via a digital currency that is controlled by the government, and your transaction is declined because the social credit algorithm decided you'd already bought too much alcohol/sweets/cakes/bacon/steaks/caffeine that month.

Finally the penny might drop, that you sleepwalked into a tyranny, and there's now no way out. Won't you feel foolish when that happens?

Absolute hysteria

 

[Fantine]

I think there is no difference.

So you are saying that it is stupid to be altruistic? That would bring on the collapse of civilization.

 

[Nithavela]

So you are saying that it is stupid to be altruistic?

And vice versa.

That would bring on the collapse of civilization.

Luckily for civilisation, there's no dearth of stupid people.