THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY!

[LoveGodsWord]

If you find no law in 1 John 3:22-24, and no law in the sermon on The Law of Christ (Part 3), then we have all noted that you are not an unbiased witness. One kiss changed a woman's life, in the video The Law of Christ (Part 3) by Pastor Charles Leiter. After the kiss, she kept asking the question..."Who kissed me?" The woman who gave that kiss was following 1 John 3:22-24..

Now let me ask you what has anything your posting here have to do with the OP? -Nothing it is off topic to the discussion and has nothing to do with this OP which is to show from the scripture how Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day from Revelation 1:10.

Look to be honest with you, I am not interested in watching videos by people promoting lawlessness (without law). I am sorry but I believe from our past discussions that your promoting teachings which are not biblical and are not supported by scripture, but let me explain why from the scriptures in regards to your current posts if it might be helpful to you or someone else who may be reading along.

Firstly in your interpretation of 1 John 3:23 your not considering the contexts of 1 John 3:23 and the bibles definition of what sin is as defined in the scriptures in 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; and Romans 3:20 and how the bible shows how we love God and our fellow man as well as what the new covenant is and what it means to be born again. Much of this is the context of 1 John 3:23. Yes it is true that the two great commandments are love to God and man but Jesus says on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40, so love does not abolish God's law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law which we can investigate more fully shortly after discussing scripture context.

The scripture contexts of 1 John 3:23 is given in the reason why John is writing his epistles and that reason is stated in 1 John 2:1 which states that the reason John is writing is that we as God's people sin not.

John defines sin in 1 John 3:4 as the transgression or the breaking of God's law further stating in 1 John 2:3-4 that the test to know if someone knows God or does not know God is if they keep His commandments which is repeated in 1 John 3:6 where John says in 1 John 2:3-4 that those who claim to know God and do not keep God's commandments are liars and the truth is not in them.

Johns definition of sin is that sin is the transgression of the law in 1 John 3:4. This definition of what sin is by John agrees with James in James 2:9-11 that says if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin and have become a "transgressor of the law." John and James are also in agreement with Paul who says that it is through breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments that we have a knowledge of what sin is in Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20. All the above is context that agrees with the bibles definition of sin being breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following Gods' Word (1 John 3:4; agrees with James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20 and Romans 14:23).

John goes on to show after stating that the reason he is writing is that we sin not in 1 John 2:1 where he defines sin as breaking God's law in 1 John 3:4 or being disobedient to God's commandments that those who claim to know God while breaking his commandments are liars and there is no truth in them
in 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6 and that only those who keep and obey Gods' commandments are the ones who know God and are Gods children in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10 where he further states that sin (breaking God's law) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil because those who are born of God do not practice sin (breaking Gods' law).

The above scriptures from 1 John 2:1 to 1 John 3:4-10 are all context to 1 John 3:23 that you have pulled from context to teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law). In 1 John 3:11-15 John contrasts the difference between love and hate comparing hate to murder or thou shalt not kill which is breaking God's 6th commandment of the 10 commandments as found in Exodus 20:13 then goes on to show that God's commandment is that we are to love one another. So John is not saying we are now free to break God's law if we love one another because the context you have disregarded from 1 John 2:1-4 and 1 John 3:4-15 is showing that those who break Gods' 10 commandments are the ones who do not know God and are the children of the devil. While John contrasts love with hate as breaking Gods' 6th commandment of the 10 commandments (thou shalt not kill).

So to say we are to love one another while being free to be disobedient to Gods' 10 commandments is not biblical as Paul shows what it means to love our neighbor when he says in Romans 13:8:10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

According to the scriptures Paul is showing that we love our neighbor by being obedient to those commandments in God's law that show us our duty of love to our fellow man. This is what John was doing in 1 John 3:11-15 where he contrasts love to hate and breaking God's 6th commandments (murder). Paul is showing that love does not abolish Gods' law it fulfills Gods' law and is expressed in obedience to Gods' law which is Gods' new covenant promise you leave out of being born again to receive a new heart to obey Gods' law in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 because those who are born again to love according to John and Paul do not practice sin which is defined as breaking God's law *1 John 3:4; 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31.

All of the above is also in agreement with Jesus where he says that the two great commandments are to love God with all of out heart and soul and mind and our neighbor as our self but Jesus says that loving God and our neighbor is also expressed in obedience to God's law by saying on those two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40. So according to both John and Paul love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not in breaking God's law. Those who have been born again to love therefore do not abolish God's law they establish God's law and are obedient to Gods' law which is God's new covenant promise of His laws being written on our heart through faith that works by love. This is the same thinking that James is promoting in agreeing with Jesus, Paul and John where he says that loving our neighbor does not show partiality in keeping God's laws from the 10 commandments that express how we are to love our neighbor in James 2:8-12.

So as shown from the scriptures above, according to Jesus, Paul, James and John love is not separate from God's 10 commandments. Love is expressed in obedience to God's 10 commandments which show us how to love God and our fellow man once we are born again into Gods' new covenant promise. Those therefore who break God's law do not love God and according to John if they claim to know God are lying and the truth is not in them being the children of the devil and not the children of God *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10. John goes on to say further in 1 John 5:2-3 that love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law agreeing with what Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40, with what Paul says in Romans 13:8-10, with what James says in James 2:8-12 where he says [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [4], For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.

So to claim that God's law (10 commandments) is abolished in place of love is a false teaching that is not biblical or supported in the scriptures as love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to God's law which is God's new covenant promise written on the heart through faith *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 3:31.

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All of the above I hope is helpful to you but is off topic to the OP which is in regards to a discussion in regards to the man-made teachings and tradition to show from the scriptures how Sunday or the first day of the week, is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. If you wish to open up another thread on the law or grace or anything else I am happy to participate. Please, I hope you can respect this OP and keep it on topic now. I believe I have been patient with your posts that are off topic to this OP. Please stop derailing the discussion of this thread and keep the thread on topic to this OP. Thanks for your understanding.

Take care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

HAPPY SABBATH (LORD'S DAY) ALL
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word

 

[Bob S]

Your teachings of lawlessness (without law) are noted.

Your teaching that we are under the old covenant laws dealing with rituals, the weekly Sabbath, etc. are well noted.

However this is not a teaching that comes from the bible or supported in the scriptures

1Jn 3:22 is not a teaching????? That is simply not true. 1Jn 3:19 tells us believing 1Jn 3:22 teaches us we belong to the truth. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:
When we keep 1jn 3:22 we know we are keeping God's law. Jesus gave us those commands in Jn 6:24 and Jn 15:10-14. It is not keeping the ritual commands Jesus kept. Jesus is God and He gave us new commands, commands not found in the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments never mention Love. Loving others as Jesus loves us is a new command. Jesus loves us so much that He gave His life for all mankind. In return He asks all mankind to love others the same as He loves us. Jews are free from the ministry that brought death, the 10 commandments, that SDAs and others try to convince mankind that we have to abide by.

because according to Jesus, Paul James and John love is expressed in obedience to God's 10 law not by breaking God's law.

Funny that Jesus, Paul and John actually teach just the opposite. Jn15: 10-15, Gal 3:19, Eph2: 14-15, 2Cor3: 6-11 and Gal5:
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Do you see verse 16 where Paul is telling us we are not under the law. That is contrary to what SDAs and others teach. Thank you, Jesus, for the real truth 1jn3:19-24. The World DESPERATLY needs the greatest command ever given, LOVE OTHERS AS JESUS LOVES US. Hatred toward each other is eating us alive.
"What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some but for everyone

Lord we don't need another mountain
There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb
And there are oceans and rivers enough to cross
Enough to last 'til the end of time

What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some but for everyone

Lord, we don't need another meadow
There are corn fields and wheat fields enough to grow
And there are sunbeams and moonbeams enough to shine
Oh listen Lord, if you want to know
If you want to know

What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there is just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some, oh but just for everyone

What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there is just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some, oh but just just for everyone

What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love

What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love"
Written by Hal David

 

[Bob S]

Love is God's law. Jesus said it and I believe it.

 

[Bob S]

HAPPY SABBATH (LORD'S DAY) ALL
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word

HAPPY SABBATH (LORD'S DAY) ALL
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word

I thought the old covenant for Israel that ended at Calvary began where it was given, Sinai. Why is it that the day, given only to Israel, now is observed starting at the International Date Line?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Love is God's law. Jesus said it and I believe it.

Me too Bob...

According to Jesus love does not abolish Gods' law and it not separate to God's law. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and is why Jesus says; On these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

According to Jesus love does not abolish Gods' law like some mistakenly believe. According to Jesus love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. As shown earlier Paul agrees with Jesus that Love is expressed in through obedience to God's law not breaking Gods law when he says in Romans 13:8-10...

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul also agreeing with Jesus that love does not abolish God's law it is expressed in obedience to God's law by obeying those commandments in the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to God and man. Love therefore does not abolish God's law according to Paul it fulfills it and is expressed by obeying Gods' law. James also is in agreement with Jesus and Paul when he says in James 2:8-12...

James 2:8-12
[8] IF YOU FULFILL THE ROYAL LAW ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, YOU DO WELL:
[9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and ARE CONVICTED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

So James is also in agreement with Jesus and Paul that love does not abolish God's law it is expressed in obedience to God's law by obeying those commandments in the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to God and man. Love therefore does not abolish God's law according to James it fulfills it and is expressed by obeying Gods' law. John is also is in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he says in 1 John 5:2-3...

1 John 5:2-3 [2], BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS [3], FOR THE IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

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Amazing, well there you have it. Jesus, Paul, James and John are all in agreement that love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. This is why John writes elsewhere...

2 JOHN 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

and again here;

1 John 5:2-3 [2], BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS [3], FOR THE IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

and is why it is written;

1 John 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

1 John 3:6 WHOSOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM

1 John 3:9 [9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 [18] We know that WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD SINS NOT; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not.

and why JESUS says;

John 14:15 [15] IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS

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Now if love is expressed through obedience to Gods’ law as shown in *Romans 13:8-10 and God's 10 commandments are the very definition of what righteousness (moral right doing) is *Psalms 119:172, and to break any one of God's 10 commandments is sin *JAMES 2:10-11. How can anyone love God and their neighbor as themselves, if we break God's Commandments when Jesus says of these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40? Jesus is saying that love is not separate from obedience to Gods’ law it is expressed through obedience to it, just like Paul, James and John all agree. Therefore God's 10 commandments teach us how to love God and our neighbor as our selves.

For example....

If we LOVE our neighbor as Paul says in Romans 13:8-10...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

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This is why Jesus says; ON THESE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE TO GOD AND MAN HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS - Matthew 22:36-40 because love is not separate from Gods' law. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law.

HAPPY SABBATH Bob!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I thought the old covenant for Israel that ended at Calvary began where it was given, Sinai. Why is it that the day, given only to Israel, now is observed starting at the International Date Line?

If you are not sure what the new covenant is you can read about it in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant and the new covenant is Gods' law written in the heart through faith that works by love that fulfills and obeys Gods' law. The new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law) like many mistakenly believe as those who are born again into God's new covenant promise to walk in the Spirit *Galatians 5:16 do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 which is defined as breaking Gods' law *1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; Romans 3:20. God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If we are not a part of God's Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise according to the scriptures *Hebrews 8:10-12. According to Jesus God's Sabbath was made for mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jews or Israel when God made the Sabbath for man in Genesis 2:1-3.

Take Care Bob

 

[Danthemailman]

If you find no law in 1 John 3:22-24, and no law in the sermon on The Law of Christ (Part 3), then we have all noted that you are not an unbiased witness.

One kiss changed a woman's life, in the video The Law of Christ (Part 3) by Pastor Charles Leiter. After the kiss, she kept asking the question..."Who kissed me?" The woman who gave that kiss was following 1 John 3:22-24..

It sounds like it’s either “flawless” or “lawless” according to those who wish to remain under the old law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your teaching that we are under the old covenant laws dealing with rituals, the weekly Sabbath, etc. are well noted.


1Jn 3:22 is not a teaching????? That is simply not true. 1Jn 3:19 tells us believing 1Jn 3:22 teaches us we belong to the truth. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:
When we keep 1jn 3:22 we know we are keeping God's law. Jesus gave us those commands in Jn 6:24 and Jn 15:10-14. It is not keeping the ritual commands Jesus kept. Jesus is God and He gave us new commands, commands not found in the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments never mention Love. Loving others as Jesus loves us is a new command. Jesus loves us so much that He gave His life for all mankind. In return He asks all mankind to love others the same as He loves us. Jews are free from the ministry that brought death, the 10 commandments, that SDAs and others try to convince mankind that we have to abide by.


Funny that Jesus, Paul and John actually teach just the opposite. Jn15: 10-15, Gal 3:19, Eph2: 14-15, 2Cor3: 6-11 and Gal5:
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Do you see verse 16 where Paul is telling us we are not under the law. That is contrary to what SDAs and others teach. Thank you, Jesus, for the real truth 1jn3:19-24. The World DESPERATLY needs the greatest command ever given, LOVE OTHERS AS JESUS LOVES US. Hatred toward each other is eating us alive.
"What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some but for everyone

Lord we don't need another mountain
There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb
And there are oceans and rivers enough to cross
Enough to last 'til the end of time

What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some but for everyone

Lord, we don't need another meadow
There are corn fields and wheat fields enough to grow
And there are sunbeams and moonbeams enough to shine
Oh listen Lord, if you want to know
If you want to know

What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there is just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some, oh but just for everyone

What the world needs now is love sweet love
It's the only thing that there is just too little of
What the world needs now is love sweet love
No not just for some, oh but just just for everyone

What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love

What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love
What the world needs now is love sweet love"
Written by Hal David

This post and much of your claims here are already addressed in a detailed scripture response to someone else in post # 681 and post # 686 linked which show that the claims of a new covenant without God's 10 commandments is unbiblical and not supported by scripture and a false teaching. So not much more needs to be said here. Sorry Bob I do not believe that Gods' 10 commandments have been abolished as you and others teach here so we will have to agree to disagree as everyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures are repeated in the new testament as a requirement for Christian living (scripture support here). According to the scriptures God's 10 commandments give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith (Galatians 3:22-25). According to the scriptures no one is "under the law" if they have repented from their sins and confessed them to receive God's forgiveness but this is the role of Gods' law to give us the knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20. According to Jesus in Matthew 9:12-13 They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. If there is no law then according to the scriptures we have no knowledge of what sin is. If we have no knowledge of what sin is we have no need of a Physician (Savior). If we have no need of a Savior then we are still lost in our sins. So according to Romans 3:19-20 we are only "under the law" if we stand guilty before God of breaking the law. Sorry Bob but I do not agree with your teachings of lawlessness (without law) or God's 10 commandments are abolished. That is simply not biblical or supported in the scriptures. So we will of course agree to disagree.

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Did you have anything to share now in relation to the OP?

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It sounds like it’s either “flawless” or “lawless” according to those who wish to remain under the old law.

Doubt it. According to the scriptures, no one is "under the law" according to Romans 3:19-20 unless they stand guilty before God of breaking the law. Do you have any scripture to share in relation to the OP on the claim that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10?

 

[BABerean2]

Doubt it. No one is "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19-20 unless they stand guilty before God of breaking the law. Do you have any scripture to share in relation to the OP on the claim that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10?

The following was the understanding of the verse found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Revelation 1:10
I was in the (h) Spirit on the (i) Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

(h) This is a holy trance expressed, with which the prophets were entranced, and being carried out of the world, conversed with God: and so Ezekiel says often, that he was carried from place to place by the Spirit, and that the Spirit of the Lord came on him.

(i) He calls it the Lord's day, which Paul calls the first day of the week; (1Co_16:2).

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Commentary of Bible Scholar Albert Barnes:

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit - This cannot refer to his own spirit, for such an expression would be unintelligible. The language then must refer to some unusual state, or to some influence that had been brought to bear upon him from without, that was appropriate to such a day. The word “Spirit” may refer either to the Holy Spirit, or to some state of mind such as the Holy Spirit produces - a spirit of elevated devotion, a state of high and uncommon religious enjoyment. It is clear that John does not mean here to say that he was under the influence of the Holy Spirit in such a sense as that he was inspired, for the command to make a record, as well as the visions, came subsequently to the time referred to. The fair meaning of the passage is, that he was at that time favored, in a large measure, with the influences of the Holy Spirit - the spirit of true devotion; that he had a high state of religious enjoyment, and was in a condition not inappropriate to the remarkable communications which were made to him on that day.
The state of mind in which he was at the time here referred to, is not such as the prophets are often represented to have been in when under the prophetic inspiration (compare Eze_1:1; Eze_8:3; Eze_40:2; Jer_24:1), and which was often accompanied with an entire prostration of bodily strength (compare Num_24:4); 1Sa_19:24; Eze_1:28; Dan_10:8-10; Rev_1:17), but such as any Christian may experience when in a high state of religious enjoyment. He was not yet under the prophetic ecstasy (compare Act_10:10; Act_11:5; Act_22:17), but was, though in a lonely and barren island, and far away from the privileges of the sanctuary, permitted to enjoy, in a high degree, the consolations of religion - an illustration of the great truth that God can meet his people anywhere; that, when in solitude and in circumstances of outward affliction, when persecuted and cast out, when deprived of the public means of grace and the society of religious friends, He can meet them with the abundant consolations of His grace, and pour joy and peace into their souls. This state was not inappropriate to the revelations which were about to be made to John, but this itself was not that state. It was a state which seems to have resulted from the fact, that on that desert island he devoted the day to the worship of God, and, by honoring the day dedicated to the memory of the risen Saviour, found, what all will find, that it was attended with rick spiritual influences on his soul.
On the Lord’s day - The word rendered here as “Lord’s” (κυριακῇ kuriakē), occurs only in this place and in 1Co_11:20, where it is applied to the Lord’s supper. It properly means “pertaining to the Lord”; and, so far as this word is concerned, it might mean a day “pertaining to the Lord,” in any sense, or for any reason; either because he claimed it as his own, and had set it apart for his own service, or because it was designed to commemorate some important event pertaining to him, or because it was observed in honor of him. It is clear:
(1) That this refers to some day which was distinguished from all other days of the week, and which would be sufficiently designated by the use of this term.
(2) That it was a day which was for some reason regarded as especially a day of the Lord, or especially devoted to him.
(3) It would further appear that this was a day particularly devoted to the Lord Jesus; for:
(a) That is the natural meaning of the word “Lord” as used in the New Testament (compare the notes on Act_1:24); and
(b) If the Jewish Sabbath were intended to be designated, the word “Sabbath” would have been used.
The term was used generally by the early Christians to denote the first day of the week. It occurs twice in the Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (about 101 a.d.), who calls the Lord’s day “the queen and prince of all days.” Chrysostom (on Ps. 119) says, “It was called the Lord’s day because the Lord rose from the dead on that day.” Later fathers make a marked distinction between the “Sabbath” and the “Lord’s day”; meaning by the former the Jewish “Sabbath,” or the seventh day of the week, and by the latter the first day of the week, kept holy by Christians. So Theodoret (Fab. Haeret. ii. 1), speaking of the Ebionites, says, “They keep the Sabbath according to the Jewish law, and sanctify the Lord’s day in like manner as we do” (Prof. Stuart). The strong probability is, that the name was given to this day in honor of the Lord Jesus, and because he rose on that day from the dead. No one can doubt that it was an appellation given to the first day of the week; and the passage, therefore, proves:
(1) That that day was thus early distinguished in some special manner, so that the mere mention of it would be sufficient to identify it in the minds of those to whom the apostle wrote;
(2) That it was in some sense regarded as devoted to the Lord Jesus, or was designed in some way to commemorate what he had done; and,
(3) That if this book were written by the apostle John, the observance of that day has the apostolic sanction. He had manifestly, in accordance with a prevailing custom, set apart this day in honor of the Lord Jesus. Though alone, he was engaged on that day in acts of devotion. Though far away from the sanctuary, he enjoyed what all Christians hope to enjoy on such a day of rest, and what not a few do in fact enjoy in its observance. We may remark, in view of this statement:
(a) that when away from the sanctuary, and deprived of its privileges, we should nevertheless not fail to observe the Christian Sabbath. If on a bed of sickness, if in a land of strangers, if on the deep, if in a foreign clime, if on a lonely island, as John was, where we have none of the advantages of public worship, we should yet honor the Sabbath. We should worship God alone, if we have none to unite with us; we should show to those around us, if we are with strangers, by our dress and our conversation, by a serious and devent manner, by abstinence from labor, and by a resting from travel, that we devoutly regard this day as set apart for God.
(b) We may expect, in such circumstances, and with such a devout observance of the day, that God will meet with us and bless us. It was on a lonely island, far away from the sanctuary and from the society of Christian friends, that the Saviour met “the beloved disciple,” and we may trust it will be so with us. For on such a desert island, in a lonely forest, on the deep, or amid strangers in a foreign land, he can as easily meet us as in the sanctuary where we have been accustomed to worship, and when surrounded by all the privileges of a Christian land. No man, at home or abroad, among friends or strangers, enjoying the privileges of the sanctuary, or deprived of those privileges, ever kept the Christian Sabbath in a devout manner without profit to his own soul; and, when deprived of the privileges of public worship, the visitations of the Saviour to the soul may be more than a compensation for all our privations. Who would not be willing to be banished to a lonely island like Patmos, if he might enjoy such a glorious vision of the Redeemer as John was favored with there?
And heard behind me a great voice - A loud voice. This was of course sudden, and took him by surprise.
As of a trumpet - Loud as a trumpet. This is evidently the only point in the comparison. It does not mean that the tones of the voice resembled a trumpet, but only that it was clear, loud, and distinct like a trumpet. A trumpet is a well-known wind instrument, distinguished for the clearness of its sounds, and was used for calling assemblies together, for marshalling hosts for battle, etc. The Hebrew word employed commonly to denote a trumpet שׁופר showpar means “bright” and “clear,” and is supposed to have been given to the instrument on account of its clear and shrill sound, as we now give the name “clarion” to a certain wind-instrument. The Hebrew trumpet is often referred to as employed, on account of its clearness, to summon people together, Exo_19:13; Num_10:10; Jdg_7:18, etc.; 1Sa_13:3; 2Sa_15:10.


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Commentary of Bible Scholar Adam Clarke:

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit - That is, I received the Spirit of prophecy, and was under its influence when the first vision was exhibited.
The Lord’s day - The first day of the week, observed as the Christian Sabbath, because on it Jesus Christ rose from the dead; therefore it was called the Lord’s day, and has taken place of the Jewish Sabbath throughout the Christian world.
And heard behind me a great voice - This voice came unexpectedly and suddenly. He felt himself under the Divine afflatus; but did not know what scenes were to be represented.
As of a trumpet - This was calculated to call in every wandering thought, to fix his attention, and solemnize his whole frame. Thus God prepared Moses to receive the law. See Exo_19:16, Exo_19:19, etc.

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[LoveGodsWord]

The following was the understanding of the verse found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Revelation 1:10
I was in the (h) Spirit on the (i) Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

(h) This is a holy trance expressed, with which the prophets were entranced, and being carried out of the world, conversed with God: and so Ezekiel says often, that he was carried from place to place by the Spirit, and that the Spirit of the Lord came on him.

(i) He calls it the Lord's day, which Paul calls the first day of the week; (1Co_16:2).

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Commentary of Bible Scholar Albert Barnes:

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit - This cannot refer to his own spirit, for such an expression would be unintelligible. The language then must refer to some unusual state, or to some influence that had been brought to bear upon him from without, that was appropriate to such a day. The word “Spirit” may refer either to the Holy Spirit, or to some state of mind such as the Holy Spirit produces - a spirit of elevated devotion, a state of high and uncommon religious enjoyment. It is clear that John does not mean here to say that he was under the influence of the Holy Spirit in such a sense as that he was inspired, for the command to make a record, as well as the visions, came subsequently to the time referred to. The fair meaning of the passage is, that he was at that time favored, in a large measure, with the influences of the Holy Spirit - the spirit of true devotion; that he had a high state of religious enjoyment, and was in a condition not inappropriate to the remarkable communications which were made to him on that day.
The state of mind in which he was at the time here referred to, is not such as the prophets are often represented to have been in when under the prophetic inspiration (compare Eze_1:1; Eze_8:3; Eze_40:2; Jer_24:1), and which was often accompanied with an entire prostration of bodily strength (compare Num_24:4); 1Sa_19:24; Eze_1:28; Dan_10:8-10; Rev_1:17), but such as any Christian may experience when in a high state of religious enjoyment. He was not yet under the prophetic ecstasy (compare Act_10:10; Act_11:5; Act_22:17), but was, though in a lonely and barren island, and far away from the privileges of the sanctuary, permitted to enjoy, in a high degree, the consolations of religion - an illustration of the great truth that God can meet his people anywhere; that, when in solitude and in circumstances of outward affliction, when persecuted and cast out, when deprived of the public means of grace and the society of religious friends, He can meet them with the abundant consolations of His grace, and pour joy and peace into their souls. This state was not inappropriate to the revelations which were about to be made to John, but this itself was not that state. It was a state which seems to have resulted from the fact, that on that desert island he devoted the day to the worship of God, and, by honoring the day dedicated to the memory of the risen Saviour, found, what all will find, that it was attended with rick spiritual influences on his soul.
On the Lord’s day - The word rendered here as “Lord’s” (κυριακῇ kuriakē), occurs only in this place and in 1Co_11:20, where it is applied to the Lord’s supper. It properly means “pertaining to the Lord”; and, so far as this word is concerned, it might mean a day “pertaining to the Lord,” in any sense, or for any reason; either because he claimed it as his own, and had set it apart for his own service, or because it was designed to commemorate some important event pertaining to him, or because it was observed in honor of him. It is clear:
(1) That this refers to some day which was distinguished from all other days of the week, and which would be sufficiently designated by the use of this term.
(2) That it was a day which was for some reason regarded as especially a day of the Lord, or especially devoted to him.
(3) It would further appear that this was a day particularly devoted to the Lord Jesus; for:
(a) That is the natural meaning of the word “Lord” as used in the New Testament (compare the notes on Act_1:24); and
(b) If the Jewish Sabbath were intended to be designated, the word “Sabbath” would have been used.
The term was used generally by the early Christians to denote the first day of the week. It occurs twice in the Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (about 101 a.d.), who calls the Lord’s day “the queen and prince of all days.” Chrysostom (on Ps. 119) says, “It was called the Lord’s day because the Lord rose from the dead on that day.” Later fathers make a marked distinction between the “Sabbath” and the “Lord’s day”; meaning by the former the Jewish “Sabbath,” or the seventh day of the week, and by the latter the first day of the week, kept holy by Christians. So Theodoret (Fab. Haeret. ii. 1), speaking of the Ebionites, says, “They keep the Sabbath according to the Jewish law, and sanctify the Lord’s day in like manner as we do” (Prof. Stuart). The strong probability is, that the name was given to this day in honor of the Lord Jesus, and because he rose on that day from the dead. No one can doubt that it was an appellation given to the first day of the week; and the passage, therefore, proves:
(1) That that day was thus early distinguished in some special manner, so that the mere mention of it would be sufficient to identify it in the minds of those to whom the apostle wrote;
(2) That it was in some sense regarded as devoted to the Lord Jesus, or was designed in some way to commemorate what he had done; and,
(3) That if this book were written by the apostle John, the observance of that day has the apostolic sanction. He had manifestly, in accordance with a prevailing custom, set apart this day in honor of the Lord Jesus. Though alone, he was engaged on that day in acts of devotion. Though far away from the sanctuary, he enjoyed what all Christians hope to enjoy on such a day of rest, and what not a few do in fact enjoy in its observance. We may remark, in view of this statement:
(a) that when away from the sanctuary, and deprived of its privileges, we should nevertheless not fail to observe the Christian Sabbath. If on a bed of sickness, if in a land of strangers, if on the deep, if in a foreign clime, if on a lonely island, as John was, where we have none of the advantages of public worship, we should yet honor the Sabbath. We should worship God alone, if we have none to unite with us; we should show to those around us, if we are with strangers, by our dress and our conversation, by a serious and devent manner, by abstinence from labor, and by a resting from travel, that we devoutly regard this day as set apart for God.
(b) We may expect, in such circumstances, and with such a devout observance of the day, that God will meet with us and bless us. It was on a lonely island, far away from the sanctuary and from the society of Christian friends, that the Saviour met “the beloved disciple,” and we may trust it will be so with us. For on such a desert island, in a lonely forest, on the deep, or amid strangers in a foreign land, he can as easily meet us as in the sanctuary where we have been accustomed to worship, and when surrounded by all the privileges of a Christian land. No man, at home or abroad, among friends or strangers, enjoying the privileges of the sanctuary, or deprived of those privileges, ever kept the Christian Sabbath in a devout manner without profit to his own soul; and, when deprived of the privileges of public worship, the visitations of the Saviour to the soul may be more than a compensation for all our privations. Who would not be willing to be banished to a lonely island like Patmos, if he might enjoy such a glorious vision of the Redeemer as John was favored with there?
And heard behind me a great voice - A loud voice. This was of course sudden, and took him by surprise.
As of a trumpet - Loud as a trumpet. This is evidently the only point in the comparison. It does not mean that the tones of the voice resembled a trumpet, but only that it was clear, loud, and distinct like a trumpet. A trumpet is a well-known wind instrument, distinguished for the clearness of its sounds, and was used for calling assemblies together, for marshalling hosts for battle, etc. The Hebrew word employed commonly to denote a trumpet שׁופר showpar means “bright” and “clear,” and is supposed to have been given to the instrument on account of its clear and shrill sound, as we now give the name “clarion” to a certain wind-instrument. The Hebrew trumpet is often referred to as employed, on account of its clearness, to summon people together, Exo_19:13; Num_10:10; Jdg_7:18, etc.; 1Sa_13:3; 2Sa_15:10.


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Commentary of Bible Scholar Adam Clarke:

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit - That is, I received the Spirit of prophecy, and was under its influence when the first vision was exhibited.
The Lord’s day - The first day of the week, observed as the Christian Sabbath, because on it Jesus Christ rose from the dead; therefore it was called the Lord’s day, and has taken place of the Jewish Sabbath throughout the Christian world.
And heard behind me a great voice - This voice came unexpectedly and suddenly. He felt himself under the Divine afflatus; but did not know what scenes were to be represented.
As of a trumpet - This was calculated to call in every wandering thought, to fix his attention, and solemnize his whole frame. Thus God prepared Moses to receive the law. See Exo_19:16, Exo_19:19, etc.

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Firstly, thank you for staying on topic to the OP just now. So with everything you have provided above. Where is the scripture that says that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. This is what the OP is asking. As posted earlier we know what the man-made teachings and traditions of some in the early Church were in teaching that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Now how is this proven and supported from the scriptures? Where is the scripture that shows that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? I was not claiming anywhere that John was in his own Spirit on the Lords day so much of what you posted above is not relevant and I do not see anywhere in what you have posted any scripture that shows that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 means Sunday or the first day of the week. Do you have any scripture to prove that the man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early Church, that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"?

Take Care.

 

[Danthemailman]

The following was the understanding of the verse found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Revelation 1:10
I was in the (h) Spirit on the (i) Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

(h) This is a holy trance expressed, with which the prophets were entranced, and being carried out of the world, conversed with God: and so Ezekiel says often, that he was carried from place to place by the Spirit, and that the Spirit of the Lord came on him.

(i) He calls it the Lord's day, which Paul calls the first day of the week; (1Co_16:2).

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Commentary of Bible Scholar Albert Barnes:

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit - This cannot refer to his own spirit, for such an expression would be unintelligible. The language then must refer to some unusual state, or to some influence that had been brought to bear upon him from without, that was appropriate to such a day. The word “Spirit” may refer either to the Holy Spirit, or to some state of mind such as the Holy Spirit produces - a spirit of elevated devotion, a state of high and uncommon religious enjoyment. It is clear that John does not mean here to say that he was under the influence of the Holy Spirit in such a sense as that he was inspired, for the command to make a record, as well as the visions, came subsequently to the time referred to. The fair meaning of the passage is, that he was at that time favored, in a large measure, with the influences of the Holy Spirit - the spirit of true devotion; that he had a high state of religious enjoyment, and was in a condition not inappropriate to the remarkable communications which were made to him on that day.
The state of mind in which he was at the time here referred to, is not such as the prophets are often represented to have been in when under the prophetic inspiration (compare Eze_1:1; Eze_8:3; Eze_40:2; Jer_24:1), and which was often accompanied with an entire prostration of bodily strength (compare Num_24:4); 1Sa_19:24; Eze_1:28; Dan_10:8-10; Rev_1:17), but such as any Christian may experience when in a high state of religious enjoyment. He was not yet under the prophetic ecstasy (compare Act_10:10; Act_11:5; Act_22:17), but was, though in a lonely and barren island, and far away from the privileges of the sanctuary, permitted to enjoy, in a high degree, the consolations of religion - an illustration of the great truth that God can meet his people anywhere; that, when in solitude and in circumstances of outward affliction, when persecuted and cast out, when deprived of the public means of grace and the society of religious friends, He can meet them with the abundant consolations of His grace, and pour joy and peace into their souls. This state was not inappropriate to the revelations which were about to be made to John, but this itself was not that state. It was a state which seems to have resulted from the fact, that on that desert island he devoted the day to the worship of God, and, by honoring the day dedicated to the memory of the risen Saviour, found, what all will find, that it was attended with rick spiritual influences on his soul.
On the Lord’s day - The word rendered here as “Lord’s” (κυριακῇ kuriakē), occurs only in this place and in 1Co_11:20, where it is applied to the Lord’s supper. It properly means “pertaining to the Lord”; and, so far as this word is concerned, it might mean a day “pertaining to the Lord,” in any sense, or for any reason; either because he claimed it as his own, and had set it apart for his own service, or because it was designed to commemorate some important event pertaining to him, or because it was observed in honor of him. It is clear:
(1) That this refers to some day which was distinguished from all other days of the week, and which would be sufficiently designated by the use of this term.
(2) That it was a day which was for some reason regarded as especially a day of the Lord, or especially devoted to him.
(3) It would further appear that this was a day particularly devoted to the Lord Jesus; for:
(a) That is the natural meaning of the word “Lord” as used in the New Testament (compare the notes on Act_1:24); and
(b) If the Jewish Sabbath were intended to be designated, the word “Sabbath” would have been used.
The term was used generally by the early Christians to denote the first day of the week. It occurs twice in the Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (about 101 a.d.), who calls the Lord’s day “the queen and prince of all days.” Chrysostom (on Ps. 119) says, “It was called the Lord’s day because the Lord rose from the dead on that day.” Later fathers make a marked distinction between the “Sabbath” and the “Lord’s day”; meaning by the former the Jewish “Sabbath,” or the seventh day of the week, and by the latter the first day of the week, kept holy by Christians. So Theodoret (Fab. Haeret. ii. 1), speaking of the Ebionites, says, “They keep the Sabbath according to the Jewish law, and sanctify the Lord’s day in like manner as we do” (Prof. Stuart). The strong probability is, that the name was given to this day in honor of the Lord Jesus, and because he rose on that day from the dead. No one can doubt that it was an appellation given to the first day of the week; and the passage, therefore, proves:
(1) That that day was thus early distinguished in some special manner, so that the mere mention of it would be sufficient to identify it in the minds of those to whom the apostle wrote;
(2) That it was in some sense regarded as devoted to the Lord Jesus, or was designed in some way to commemorate what he had done; and,
(3) That if this book were written by the apostle John, the observance of that day has the apostolic sanction. He had manifestly, in accordance with a prevailing custom, set apart this day in honor of the Lord Jesus. Though alone, he was engaged on that day in acts of devotion. Though far away from the sanctuary, he enjoyed what all Christians hope to enjoy on such a day of rest, and what not a few do in fact enjoy in its observance. We may remark, in view of this statement:
(a) that when away from the sanctuary, and deprived of its privileges, we should nevertheless not fail to observe the Christian Sabbath. If on a bed of sickness, if in a land of strangers, if on the deep, if in a foreign clime, if on a lonely island, as John was, where we have none of the advantages of public worship, we should yet honor the Sabbath. We should worship God alone, if we have none to unite with us; we should show to those around us, if we are with strangers, by our dress and our conversation, by a serious and devent manner, by abstinence from labor, and by a resting from travel, that we devoutly regard this day as set apart for God.
(b) We may expect, in such circumstances, and with such a devout observance of the day, that God will meet with us and bless us. It was on a lonely island, far away from the sanctuary and from the society of Christian friends, that the Saviour met “the beloved disciple,” and we may trust it will be so with us. For on such a desert island, in a lonely forest, on the deep, or amid strangers in a foreign land, he can as easily meet us as in the sanctuary where we have been accustomed to worship, and when surrounded by all the privileges of a Christian land. No man, at home or abroad, among friends or strangers, enjoying the privileges of the sanctuary, or deprived of those privileges, ever kept the Christian Sabbath in a devout manner without profit to his own soul; and, when deprived of the privileges of public worship, the visitations of the Saviour to the soul may be more than a compensation for all our privations. Who would not be willing to be banished to a lonely island like Patmos, if he might enjoy such a glorious vision of the Redeemer as John was favored with there?
And heard behind me a great voice - A loud voice. This was of course sudden, and took him by surprise.
As of a trumpet - Loud as a trumpet. This is evidently the only point in the comparison. It does not mean that the tones of the voice resembled a trumpet, but only that it was clear, loud, and distinct like a trumpet. A trumpet is a well-known wind instrument, distinguished for the clearness of its sounds, and was used for calling assemblies together, for marshalling hosts for battle, etc. The Hebrew word employed commonly to denote a trumpet שׁופר showpar means “bright” and “clear,” and is supposed to have been given to the instrument on account of its clear and shrill sound, as we now give the name “clarion” to a certain wind-instrument. The Hebrew trumpet is often referred to as employed, on account of its clearness, to summon people together, Exo_19:13; Num_10:10; Jdg_7:18, etc.; 1Sa_13:3; 2Sa_15:10.


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Commentary of Bible Scholar Adam Clarke:

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit - That is, I received the Spirit of prophecy, and was under its influence when the first vision was exhibited.
The Lord’s day - The first day of the week, observed as the Christian Sabbath, because on it Jesus Christ rose from the dead; therefore it was called the Lord’s day, and has taken place of the Jewish Sabbath throughout the Christian world.
And heard behind me a great voice - This voice came unexpectedly and suddenly. He felt himself under the Divine afflatus; but did not know what scenes were to be represented.
As of a trumpet - This was calculated to call in every wandering thought, to fix his attention, and solemnize his whole frame. Thus God prepared Moses to receive the law. See Exo_19:16, Exo_19:19, etc.

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Amen brother! The weight of evidence is stronger for The Lord's Day being the first day (Sunday)

The Lord's Day - Revelation 1:10 ... The First Day!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Amen brother! The weight of evidence is stronger for The Lord's Day being the first day (Sunday) The Lord's Day - Revelation 1:10 ... The First Day!

Well that is not true. No one has provided a single scripture that shows from the bible that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Do you have any scripture that proves "Sunday of the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? What is stronger evidence in your view; the teachings and traditions of men or Gods' Word? If you do not have any scripture that shows that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 then all you have is the teachings and traditions of men outside of the scriptures that do not agree with scripture. So in that case who should we believe and follow; God or man? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the man-made teachings and traditions of men that have led many to break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:2-9.

Take Care and Happy Sabbath Dan

 

[Bob S]

If you are not sure what the new covenant is you can read about it in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant and the new covenant is Gods' law written in the heart through faith that works by love that fulfills and obeys Gods' law. The new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law) like many mistakenly believe as those who are born again into God's new covenant promise to walk in the Spirit *Galatians 5:16 do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 which is defined as breaking Gods' law *1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; Romans 3:20. God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If we are not a part of God's Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise according to the scriptures *Hebrews 8:10-12. According to Jesus God's Sabbath was made for mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jews or Israel when God made the Sabbath for man in Genesis 2:1-3.

HAPPY SABBATH Bob

All that is your NON answer to my question? I will ask my question again. Maybe you will read it this time and give me a valid answer. "I thought the old covenant (Sabbath)** for Israel that ended at Calvary began where it was given, Sinai. Why is it that the day, given only to Israel, now is observed starting at the International Date Line?"

** added for clarity

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All that is your NON answer to my question? I will ask my question again. Maybe you will read it this time and give me a valid answer. "I thought the old covenant (Sabbath)** for Israel that ended at Calvary began where it was given, Sinai. Why is it that the day, given only to Israel, now is observed starting at the International Date Line?"

** added for clarity

According to the scriptures already shared with you, God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. As shown earlier if we are not a part of God's Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise according to the scriptures *Hebrews 8:10-12.

Also according to Jesus God's Sabbath was made for mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jews or Israel when God made the Sabbath for man in Genesis 2:1-3. Israel therefore according to the scriptures under the new covenant is simply a name given by God to all those who how believe and follow God's Word, the Sabbath also being a part of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of sin (moral wrong doing) when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness (moral right doing) when obeyed *Psalms 119:172. The scriptures provided above and in the last posts to you are in disagreement with your understanding of what the the covenants are and who God's Israel is under the new covenant.

There was a part of your question I did not answer here because we have already discussed it elsewhere in the forum and it is simply a distraction to this OP which is about proving from the scriptures that the man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early Church that Sunday or the first day of the week is Sunday or "the Lords day."

If you want to start up your own thread on the International dateline I would be happy to participate and send you the same responses and more already shared with you but clearly the international dateline does not effect the Sabbath as it is an imaginary man-made line where as the Sabbath is simply every seventh day on a continuous seven day weekly cycle in whatever geographical location you find yourself in.

I would like to respectfully ask that you please keep this thread on topic to "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10

Thanks for your understanding.

Take Care

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Goodness I just realized that here we are, nearly 36 pages in this thread since the OP was started and not a single scripture that supports the man-made teaching of some in the early Church that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Is this not concerning? Does anyone know why this is an important question?

Something to pray about.

 

[BABerean2]

Goodness I just realized that here we are, nearly 36 pages in this thread since the OP was started and not a single scripture that supports the man-made teaching of some in the early Church that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Is this not concerning? Does anyone know why this is an important question?

Something to pray about.

If the Apostle John had recorded the word "Sabbath" in Revelation 1:10, you would have an argument.

However, John did not record the word "Sabbath".

Have you refused to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" as Paul told the Galatian believers to do in Galatians 4:24-31?



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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[SabbathBlessings]

Happy Sabbath all! Today is our Lord and Savior's holy day. Hope you all have a blessed day!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Happy Sabbath all! Today is our Lord and Savior's holy day. Hope you all have a blessed day!

HAPPY SABBATH SIS