Why do SDA preach

[LoveGodsWord]

So tell me, how was the new moon fulfilled? And how is it a shadow?

In the old covenant the new moons were used for identifying the times and seasons and appointed times (identifying the Feast days) As the Feast days are fulfilled and continued in Christ and the new covenant work of Jesus as our great high priest in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man as well as the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision, Feast days) What purpose does the new moon festivals now fulfill? There is none. Even the animal sacrifices are now fulfilled in Christ. Not a very hard question.

 

[tall73]

Indeed they are connected with the Feast days

Speaking of which:

Lev 23:14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Lev 23:21 And you shall make a proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

Lev 23:31 You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.

Lev 23:41 You shall celebrate it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. It is a statute forever throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

 

[tall73]

What purpose does the new moon festivals now fulfill? There is none. Not a very hard question.

So God includes them in the new earth for....no reason?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Speaking of which:

Lev 23:14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Lev 23:21 And you shall make a proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

Lev 23:31 You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.

Lev 23:41 You shall celebrate it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. It is a statute forever throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

Ok why do you think that those scriptures support your case they do not as I have never argued they are abolished. They are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to and continued in Christ and his work on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man *See Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13: Hebrews 9:1-36 and Hebrews 10:1-22.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So God includes them in the new earth for....no reason?

Why do you think they will be the same Feasts as what is provided here? Your reading into the scriptures what they do not say and do not teach.

 

[tall73]

that is a good question, what is the new moon a shadow of?

That is unclear to me. And it makes me wonder if the notion of shadow is just a reference to ceremonial laws, even when there is no pointed to fulfillment. Or is there something else we don't understand.

It was a time of assembly in its own right, we know that much.

Isa_1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

2Ki_4:23 And he said, “Why will you go to him today? It is neither new moon nor Sabbath.” She said, “All is well

And it had some element of sabbath-like rest:

Amo_8:5 saying, “When will the new moon be over, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may offer wheat for sale, that we may make the ephah small and the shekel great and deal deceitfully with false balances,

And if there is no fulfillment, but it is a memorial of God's provision of time, etc. is that why it is still in the new earth?

But then, why was it included in Col. 2?

 

[tall73]

Why do you think they will be the same Feasts as what is provided here? Your reading into the scriptures what they do not say and do not teach.

Because there is little reason to think God will create a new thing called the new moon that is not the new moon that He already spoke of.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Because there is little reason to think God will create a new thing called the new moon that is not the new moon that He already spoke of.

Why? The old covenant "shadow laws" had a part pointing to Jesus as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and his ministration on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man and are continued in Jesus in the new covenant. The new covenant is already here and we are being prepared for the second coming the last work of God. Why would you think we would be going backwards to the old covenant when the shadow laws in the old covenant are now fulfilled under Christ in the new covenant? That argument makes no sense and is a presumption in my view and is not biblical. Your not understanding the purpose of the new moons and why they are given.

 

[tall73]

Ok why do you think that those scriptures support your case they do not as I have never argued they are abolished. They are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to and continued in Christ and his work on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man *See Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13: Hebrews 9:1-36 and Hebrews 10:1-22.

I simply note that everlasting statutes are fulfilled--but not forgotten.

Act 20:16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.


And the New Moon too is a shadow along with them in Col. 2 But it shows up again in Isaiah 66.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

That is unclear to me. And it makes me wonder if the notion of shadow is just a reference to ceremonial laws, even when there is no pointed to fulfillment. Or is there something else we don't understand.

It was a time of assembly in its own right, we know that much.

Isa_1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

2Ki_4:23 And he said, “Why will you go to him today? It is neither new moon nor Sabbath.” She said, “All is well

And it had some element of sabbath-like rest:

Amo_8:5 saying, “When will the new moon be over, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may offer wheat for sale, that we may make the ephah small and the shekel great and deal deceitfully with false balances,

And if there is no fulfillment, but it is a memorial of God's provision of time, etc. is that why it is still in the new earth?

But then, why was it included in Col. 2?

interesting

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I simply note that everlasting statutes are fulfilled--but not forgotten. Act 20:16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.
And the New Moon too is a shadow along with them in Col. 2 But it shows up again in Isaiah 66.

For me it is not an argument that they will be the same or serve the exact same purpose under the old covenant. It does not say that in the scriptures. More likely though there may be some memorial Feasts in the new earth that will celebrate the second coming and God's salvation and love for sinful man but again nothing to verify this so it is only speculation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But then, why was it (new moons) included in Col. 2?

Answered in post # 642 linked

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Alright I best go for now and catch up latter when I can bb all

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Speaking of which:

Lev 23:14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Lev 23:21 And you shall make a proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

Lev 23:31 You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.

Lev 23:41 You shall celebrate it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. It is a statute forever throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

i think you need to look at what the word forever mean. is it talking about time or is it talking about permanence, and un-changing nature of the thing or situation.

 

[tall73]

Answered in post # 642 linked

Your answer that it was used to determine the other appointed times doesn't make sense of the texts that describe it as an assembly, or the text that speaks of it having a Sabbath-like element, or even it being one of the appointed times in its own right, with its own sacrifices.

Eze 45:17 It shall be the prince's duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed times of the house of Israel

And that summary statement, all the appointed times, following a list quite similar to Col. 2 should ring some bells.

 

[tall73]

i think you need to look at what the word forever mean. is it talking about time or is it talking about permanence, and un-changing nature of the thing or situation.

Do we apply whichever understanding to the Sabbath as well in Ex. 31?

And does fulfilling constitute unchanging?

 

[mmksparbud]

They don't. Which was also not in dispute.

Then they obviously are not treated the same by God.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Are you going to apply it to the Sabbath as well in Ex. 31?

maybe

And does fulfilling constitute unchanging?

no

 

[tall73]

double.

 

[tall73]

Then they obviously are not treated the same by God.

I didn't say they are treated the same. I said in Isaiah 66 the same is said about them.